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I never watched Space Seed but I'd think a character who is that charismatic is disarming is perfect for also being a tyrannical genodicer.
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pik_d posted:Does this episode confirm that La'an is an augment to anyone else? Una was confirmed REALLY STRONG and she complimented La'an's strength, so to me La'an is definitely stronger than a regular person. Are augmentations inheritable? Seems like a question Trek never much got in to, but if the Illyrians are a species of genetic augmenters, it'd kind of seem like maybe...
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Arglebargle III posted:
That's really nice composition. Check out the second mirror on the dresser.
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RLM just did a review of TMP, too. Spoiler: they like it!
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TMP is good. I love the sets, they look like a community college built in the early 70s.
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https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1527619731821318145 Sharing this primarily because the huge head on the Cover A looks more to me like Grant Morrison than Patrick Stewart, and I can't stop laughing over that.
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Craptacular! posted:https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1527619731821318145 Why is he doing the Dreamworks smirk
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Powered Descent posted:Why is he doing the Dreamworks smirk Announcing a new series only on Paramount+: Star Shrek: Strange New Swamps
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mllaneza posted:That's really nice composition. Check out the second mirror on the dresser. Yes the third episode had some conspicuous composition.
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The episode is literally about Illyrian ghosts but also figuratively about Illyrian ghosts. Makes u think ( but seriously strange new worlds writing team is putting all other new track to shame with just their command of the basics. In three episodes they've covered so much Exposition while also integrating a clear theme in each episode.)
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Craptacular! posted:https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1527619731821318145 Star Trek: What We Should Have Done Instead Of Making Star Trek: Picard Season 2
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Are augmentations inheritable? Seems like a question Trek never much got in to, but if the Illyrians are a species of genetic augmenters, it'd kind of seem like maybe... It's inheritable in Klingons, at the very least.
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CPColin posted:Is the planet from Picard's past gonna be Risa It's gonna be Earth and the whole story will take place in downtown
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Seven will unravel the mystery by making it from DTLA to LAX in only fifteen minutes
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CPColin posted:Is the planet from Picard's past gonna be Risa seeking jamaharon
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I was underwhelmed by the first episode of Strange New Worlds but I was encouraged to give it another chance and man the 2nd and 3rd episodes are way, way, way better and definitely have a classic Trek feel to them. I gave up on Discovery at whatever point it was in the first season that an episode ended with the Chief Engineer(?) having a mirror version sneering at him from a mirror, the series just wasn't doing it for me at all. Did it get better/is it more like Strange New Worlds? Because if it is it seems worth catching up on, but if it's more of the same I guess I'll just stick with the voyages of the Starship Enterprise and it's 5 year mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before 
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Jerusalem posted:I was underwhelmed by the first episode of Strange New Worlds but I was encouraged to give it another chance and man the 2nd and 3rd episodes are way, way, way better and definitely have a classic Trek feel to them. As I tell anyone who couldn't even get into it from the start, just go watch the Mudd episode and call it a day. Now that we have a Pike show staring Anson, there's no reason to even watch his episodes of Discovery. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 22, 2022 |
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It’s no coincidence that, minus Mudd Time Loop, the best episodes of Discovery heavily feature Pike. Seasons 3 and 4 have just been dull slop and I’m angry they’ve made the 32nd century just seem loving tiny and boring.
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Not gonna lie, I found episode 3 of SNW to be underwhelming compared to the first two. It felt like it was driven forward purely by dramatic revelations and narrative convenience instead of a solid throughline. How did they fix the problem? Well, it turns out that Number One is an Illyrian, which made her personally immune, but that didn't really work out, but then it turns out that getting irradiated accidentally caused her immune system to technobabble, which was how they made the cure. Why was this even a problem in the first place? Well, it turns out that M'benga keeps his daughter in the medical transporter's pattern buffer, which is why the transporters hosed up. But how did Kirk and Spock survive the ion storm? Well, it turns out that the Illyrians weren't actually dead but instead had turned into energy beings, and they showed up at the last minute to save the day. (When the archival tube spontaneously popped out of the wall at the end in order to provide last-minute exposition I nearly lost it.) Which is to say, this is a perfectly mid-tier episode of Voyager. I bet I'm going to absolutely love this in ten years' time.
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I felt like that bit at the end with the tube was meant to imply that one of the energy being Illyrians did that after saving Pike and Spock and before they left.
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That was my assumption, yeah. Spock says something like,"Even in death, they wanted their intentions known."
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Oh, I 100% understood that. It was just very cheesy. (I should have probably put that bit on its own line and prefaced it with “also”.)
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TomR posted:This is where I'm at too. I'm hopeful that they will manage to put out a few episodes that reach some of the great heights of Trek, sometime, eventually. Right now they just haven't reached the low points of Trek, but some of the plot elements are coming close. It's like instead of some technobabble coincidence where you can just happen to cut prison bars with transponders introduced for this episode and never mentioned again, they have some emotional coincidence where some character has some emotionally charged past/relationship/secret that just happens to propel the plot. They need to get an actual science fiction writer on here and get some cool concepts going. The singing egg was pretty cool I guess. I think both the entirety of the asteroid and the light-virus are interesting enough sci-fi ideas, but like DISCO, SNW has no idea how to explain them to the audience. They seem to think that these ideas are real things, and they just have to jam enough techno-babble to try and confuse the audience in to understanding that, as opposed to understanding that even when Berman-Trek was at its most techno-babbely, the writers understood it was just a way to gesture towards a concept that people understood. I think about the episode of TNG when Beverly had to escape Wesley's weird warp-bubble. They have a lot of techno-babble in there, but the writers and directors are clear: there's a bubble around the ship and Beverly, and it's shrinking. She needs to find a hole to jump through. That's simple. Everything around it is dressing.
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It seemed pretty clear to me. There's a germ, but it's something new, not a normal virus or bacteria. It does symptoms. The cure must be similarly novel. I do wish there was an on-screen conversation about turning Una's special antibodies into a vaccine so that there would be an active science solution rather than an implied one that just happens, but all the parts were there.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I think both the entirety of the asteroid and the light-virus are interesting enough sci-fi ideas, but like DISCO, SNW has no idea how to explain them to the audience. They seem to think that these ideas are real things, and they just have to jam enough techno-babble to try and confuse the audience in to understanding that, as opposed to understanding that even when Berman-Trek was at its most techno-babbely, the writers understood it was just a way to gesture towards a concept that people understood. Yeah, the ideas are okay. I think the problems are with how things are presented. Does the drama flow from the concept? Is it believable? Etc. The warp-bubble is a good example of a nonsense science fiction idea presented in a believable way that leads through a dramatic progression of Beverly thinking she is losing her mind, to the conclusion where she is saved by "science". It's a good episode because the audience is emotionally and technically able to relate to what's happening. I bring up a bad TOS episode because it shows what happens when the writers throw in some garbage that doesn't make sense. We as an audience has no idea WTF we are supposed to do with this information because it's garbage. You can't relate to it. SNW so far has fallen in the middle. It's okay, not great. The concepts could be good, but the presentation is just a little janky and the writers don't seem to trust the episode to have an emotional core so they throw extra drama sauce all over it by killing people's parent/kids/pets or whatever and it undermines what could flow naturally from what is presented as the core problems. It's not horrible, but it's not good either.
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TomR posted:This is where I'm at too. I'm hopeful that they will manage to put out a few episodes that reach some of the great heights of Trek, sometime, eventually. Right now they just haven't reached the low points of Trek, but some of the plot elements are coming close. It's like instead of some technobabble coincidence where you can just happen to cut prison bars with transponders introduced for this episode and never mentioned again, they have some emotional coincidence where some character has some emotionally charged past/relationship/secret that just happens to propel the plot. They need to get an actual science fiction writer on here and get some cool concepts going. The singing egg was pretty cool I guess. this remind me how hosed up it is that watches are mysterious technology powered by a crystal or the crystal has the time inside of it, nobody is sure how it works and now im wondering how to tweeze the laser out of a lightbulb
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TomR posted:This is where I'm at too. I'm hopeful that they will manage to put out a few episodes that reach some of the great heights of Trek, sometime, eventually. Right now they just haven't reached the low points of Trek, but some of the plot elements are coming close. It's like instead of some technobabble coincidence where you can just happen to cut prison bars with transponders introduced for this episode and never mentioned again, they have some emotional coincidence where some character has some emotionally charged past/relationship/secret that just happens to propel the plot. They need to get an actual science fiction writer on here and get some cool concepts going. The singing egg was pretty cool I guess. Have you not noticed they're doing exposition about the cast in each episode? It's the first three episodes. Also you may not like it but all of the episodes have been about science fiction ideas: the nature of time, alien ethical codes, and now the bigotries of the future. I think it was refreshing for the show to come out and affirm that the treatment of engineered people like we saw in DS9 is not right. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 16:04 on May 22, 2022 |
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You know, it’s nice being able to have a discussion about an okay-but-not-great episode of Star Trek on its own merits again, rather than debating whether or not Disco or Picard are even coherent pieces of television.
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TomR posted:The concepts could be good, but the presentation is just a little janky and the writers don't seem to trust the episode to have an emotional core so they throw extra drama sauce all over it by killing people's parent/kids/pets or whatever and it undermines what could flow naturally from what is presented as the core problems. It's not horrible, but it's not good either. what are you talking about dude
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Arglebargle III posted:I think it was refreshing for the show to come out and affirm that the treatment of engineered people like we saw in DS9 is not right. It's just too bad progress seems to go backwards on that front, apparently
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