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I think Kadri definitely should have gotten a goalie interference penalty there, but on the flipside, Nichushkin definitely shouldn't have gotten one last game. In summation, suck it St. Louis.
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The Dirty Burger posted:Broken sternum sounds horrible, good lord
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May 22, 2022 05:01
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it's badass to throw poo poo at the other team sorry if you're a boring fan
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The Athletic's Blues reporter: https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/1528227508637863936
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May 22, 2022 05:23
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The Kadri play was dirty enough based on his history that he deserves a suspension. Binnington is a whiny baby player, but goalies need to be protected; you can’t drive hard to the net and shove a defender in and risk injuring a guy. Kadri was interviewed during the first intermission and he said he was pushed into the goalie which was just an outright lie. It was a garbage play.
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May 22, 2022 05:25
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Playoff Kadri appears!!!
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May 22, 2022 06:05
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I’m gonna take the over in buckets of blood spilled next game.
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May 22, 2022 06:43
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Well we lost a good d-man, the Blues lose their goaltender. We're square
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Mike Works posted:The Kadri play was dirty enough based on his history that he deserves a suspension. Binnington is a whiny baby player, but goalies need to be protected; you can’t drive hard to the net and shove a defender in and risk injuring a guy. gonna do my Elliotte Friedman impression and post 1) hard disagree. goalies are babies and that was just a good hard play. 2) the Girard hit was probably the hardest hit of the last 5-10 years since they started cracking down (somewhat lol) on headshots. having said that, I'm not sure how I feel about it. it was fully within the rules and what's expected in the playoffs, and Girard pretty clearly put himself in a terrible position and didn't protect himself at all. i've been bitching all playoffs about defenders doing crazy interference on the forecheck and going way outside their lane to clutch and grab the forechecker, but the NHL has allowed that, especially in the playoffs, since the 90s once Lindros entered the league. there's no way that they let up on that now. every GM in the league is going to point to that and say "we can't be having broken sternums". but you can't outlaw that hit since that's just a good forecheck, so the interference is here to stay IMO, which blows. also it gave me an excuse to go look at the Lindros-Dackell hit and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRfnXMRE8Y hell yeah. what a player. a bigger, more jacked Tom Wilson with All-Star skating and agility and skills and a massive chip on his shoulder. Thank loving God he's not playing now. they would have to start letting so much more stuff go than just interference. 3) I'm very impressed with what I saw out of Colorado--and especially Kadri--tonight. We knew they were skilled, but to absorb a hit like that, looked shellshocked, get scored on, but then come back and cripple a goalie and start winning the physical battle? Outstanding. That Girard hit could have snowballed, but it goes to show Kadri's maturity as a player that he can somehow manage to maim a guy while staying free of the suspension (and not even getting a penalty!). losing Girard hurts, but if they can keep this toughness up in addition to the skill, I think they remain the clear favorites.
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fermun posted:The Athletic's Blues reporter: Good..... good. They took out our guy with a dirty hit, we take out their goalie! If they try to take out another one of our players, we'll send Kadri into their bench to take out Berube!
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Mike Works posted:The Kadri play was dirty enough based on his history that he deserves a suspension. Binnington is a whiny baby player, but goalies need to be protected; you can’t drive hard to the net and shove a defender in and risk injuring a guy. He was literally trying to go to the right of Binnington, towards the loose puck and ran into Rosen and then got pushed right into Binnington.... do you think players shouldn't try for loose pucks if there is a defender closer to that puck? It's not like Binnington had covered the puck, which would have been a completely different situation. You literally can and SHOULD drive hard to the net if the puck is loose in the crease Also the internet tells me that Binnington is racist against Muslims, so it's karma that he got injured by a Muslim 
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Kinda feels like salivating over someone putting themselves in a dangerous position because that apparently gives you a green light to try and put them on a stretcher for not protecting themselves and that magically absolves the hitter from all responsibility is pretty lovely but on the other hand I doubt the players are calculating it like that in the moment so whatever. Barbashev was coming in hot for that hit, though probably not a full on charge. lovely result for Girard
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aejix posted:Kinda feels like salivating over someone putting themselves in a dangerous position because that apparently gives you a green light to try and put them on a stretcher for not protecting themselves and that magically absolves the hitter from all responsibility is pretty lovely but on the other hand I doubt the players are calculating it like that in the moment so whatever. Barbashev was coming in hot for that hit, though probably not a full on charge. lovely result for Girard Yeah, I mean the NFL figured out years ago that top players constantly getting injured on reckless hits was not good for the sport and started implementing and enforcing rules to prevent this kind of thing. Amazing that the NHL hasn't figured it out and probably is baffled why hockey continues to drop in popularity. That and the fact that refs pretty much arbitrarily decide who wins or loses in the playoffs depending on whether they feel like enforcing the rules or not is also pretty  . More often than not, the bigger "more physical" teams will beat more talented teams in the playoffs because refs decide hooking, holding, tripping, etc are no longer penalties in the playoffs.Imagine if in the NFL once the playoffs started, the refs said "alright hits to the head on quarterbacks is completely fine now and there's no such thing as defensive pass interference". The way the NHL operates playoffs is just so stupid
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it is about time someone threw a water bottle at kadri
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Hell yeah murder hockey is back
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As a completely neutral observer: girard hit good, gently caress kadri the dirty poo poo. I will not be taking any follow up questions at this time.
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DrunkPanda posted:Also the internet tells me that Binnington is racist against Muslims, so it's karma that he got injured by a Muslim Binnington is a racist and this is pretty funny.
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May 22, 2022 12:59
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Kadri will be suspended the next time he looks sideways at anyone.
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Who knew Muslim was a race?
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wait are there actually people who think the Girard hit was illegal or cheap?
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Kadri play was a good no-call and loving Binnington.
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bewbies posted:wait are there actually people who think the Girard hit was illegal or cheap? That being said, I'm fine with it. It's fun to watch guys get blowed up, refs can't just arbitrarily decide they're going to enforce certain rules by the book in the playoffs, and it's good to injure your opponent's players, especially if you can avoid being penalized for it. Arivia posted:I’m gonna take the over in buckets of blood spilled next game. bewbies posted:it is about time someone threw a water bottle at kadri ThinkTank posted:Hell yeah murder hockey is back 
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I really hope Bednar activates MacDermid next game because the Blues might try to injure an Avs player next game. And if they do, by hockey logic, we need MacDermid to injure Ryan O'Reilly in retaliation
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In what way was Kadri pushed into Binnington? He's shoving on Rosen's lower back before they collide into him. Also you're supposed to try to avoid ramming into the goalie, so lol that they didn't even call it a penalty.
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bewbies posted:wait are there actually people who think the Girard hit was illegal or cheap? Yeah. It's an easy boarding call. I don't think it would need supplemental, but it would have been an easy call to make. The responsibility for safety is with the forechecker, and he's put Girard's face into the wall first.
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gently caress Binnington. His name even sounds like a town where they don’t take kindly to your type ‘round here. Let he who is without sin cast the first water bottle. And boarding is officially a violent check into the boards from any direction, but if you want to find boarding ever called for a hit that wasn’t to the numbers good luck. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 18:24 on May 22, 2022 |
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bewbies posted:wait are there actually people who think the Girard hit was illegal or cheap? Are there people who think it wasnt
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surely Nazem Kadri, who gets suspended for being a shithead every year in the playoffs, did not do anything untoward.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:surely Nazem Kadri, who gets suspended for being a shithead every year in the playoffs, did not do anything untoward. If he is suspended it's an even bigger indictment that DoPS has an axe grind, specifically, with Kadri.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:surely Nazem Kadri, who gets suspended for being a shithead every year in the playoffs, did not do anything untoward. I'm sure he did, but the play that took Binnington out didn't look malicious to me.
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Yeah it’s obviously a penalty and also obviously not a suspension, it’s not any worse than the play that hurt Campbell in game 7 and nobody was calling for blood there. Kadri’s suspensions have all been for hitting guys in the head when the puck’s gone, he didn’t become early-career Kreider all of a sudden.
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Speaking of suspensions, does anyone think the NHL will go back and give Hagel a suspension for this? It was initially called a 5 minute major, then was reduced to 2 by Toronto. https://twitter.com/JamesonCoop/status/1528438828020670472
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Brendan Shanahan go back to the DoPS please
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That seems like it should be a boarding major because the cross-check itself is not even a minor by post-crackdown standards, butAphrodite posted:And boarding is officially a violent check into the boards from any direction, but if you want to find boarding ever called for a hit that wasn’t to the numbers good luck.
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Genuine question which probably comes off salty cause I'm an Avs fan but how do you contest the puck like Naz did and avoid contact? I don't think he can change directions and make a play. Binnington's step that Kadri sees before he makes his momentum changing move is moving right and Kadri has the opportunity for a rebound so this seems like it would be a total non-issue if it wasn't Kadri.
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Aphrodite posted:And boarding is officially a violent check into the boards from any direction, but if you want to find boarding ever called for a hit that wasn’t to the numbers good luck. Nope. two things: 1) the NHL rulebook is notoriously written shittily to the point of comedy, so referencing it to describe how the game is actually played and/or called is pretty much always a losing endeavor. the best example of this is the rule of possession, which is hilariously written as: the literal rulebook posted:The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession. which I'm sure if someone goes into the SAS archives I had to make this exact point like fifteen years ago when Janssen demolished Kaberle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10-3L4OjPPY which according to the rulebook should be a legal hit! because possession isn't lost until someone else gets it, and Janssen hit him immediately after he lost it. 2) but even if you want to go to the rulebook, you got it wrong: quote:41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently or dangerously. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee. anybody who's been taught to receive a check is taught: 1) don't duck, ever. train yourself out of the reflex to get small. 2) get close to the boards and use them as opposed to being where you can get slammed into them from a foot or two away 3) get tall so you don't absorb the principle point of contact to your noggin 4) disperse the impact across your whole body so that it's not all going to your now-broken sternum 5) protect yourself at all times instead of trying to make a 10% "better" play and every defensemen, especially at the NHL level, knows: 6) know where the first forechecker is coming from before you even get to the puck Girard literally did none of that. while the onus is on the forechecker to not hit a guy in a vulnerable situation, the hit that Barbashev did happens 50x a game and he can't have expected Girard to have the same level of hit avoidance as a Squirt. this is the NHL, not a recreational house league. "putting yourself in a vulnerable position" also means doing none of the stuff that you expect a professional hockey player to be able to do. which is why Bednar/Avs aren't + shouldn't be upset about it. it's an unfortunate play, but (john forslund voice) THAT'S HOCKEY BABY
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None of that changes that boarding is from any direction.
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Aphrodite posted:None of that changes that boarding is from any direction.
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Cats picked a bad time to suck it up. Now I want the worst timeline in which the Lightning win 3 in a row.
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