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I'm with shibawanako re: capitalism. It's a word that means a thing and idiots cosplaying leftists overuse it to the point it means nothing. The Roman Empire circa 200CE was not capitalist. Also, beef tastes mediocre at best, sauces, veggies, and cheese are the only good parts of a burger.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Roman Empire circa 200CE was not capitalist. Clearly.
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May 22, 2022 23:57
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Also, beef tastes mediocre at best, sauces, veggies, and cheese are the only good parts of a burger. Just get a salad if you think that. I don't prefer plain burgers (but they're perfectly fine), but topping should accentuate the burger, not overwhelm it like most default build burgers.
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May 23, 2022 00:23
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Just get a salad if you think that. I don't prefer plain burgers (but they're perfectly fine), but topping should accentuate the burger, not overwhelm it like most default build burgers. It's an end product fastfood burger which uses flavorless low quality beef. If you're bulking the meat up with breadcrumbs or something I can get toppings. That's something I did when I had no money, you could extend a pound of beef a long way. Add cheese, mayo, and ketchup on some nice sourdough, its a good diner style patty melt. But if I'm using freash ground beef. Lightly seasoned, toasted bun.
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May 23, 2022 01:49
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The standard topping i understand the least on burgers is lettuce. It's always so limp and wilted, it doesn't even provide a crunch. It's just this wet scab that usually ends up sliding out in one bite. At least raw onions maintain at least a little crunch.
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May 23, 2022 01:57
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yeah I eat rear end posted:The standard topping i understand the least on burgers is lettuce. It's always so limp and wilted, it doesn't even provide a crunch. It's just this wet scab that usually ends up sliding out in one bite. At least raw onions maintain at least a little crunch. Lettuce is at best a neutral addition, shredded lettuce actively makes burgers worse
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May 23, 2022 01:59
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Tomato: The supporting lead of a BLT, the bane of the burger
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May 23, 2022 03:31
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Peanut butter is really good on burgers
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May 23, 2022 03:33
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yeah I eat rear end posted:The standard topping i understand the least on burgers is lettuce. It's always so limp and wilted, it doesn't even provide a crunch. It's just this wet scab that usually ends up sliding out in one bite. At least raw onions maintain at least a little crunch.
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May 23, 2022 05:26
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I'm with shibawanako re: capitalism. It's a word that means a thing and idiots cosplaying leftists overuse it to the point it means nothing. The Roman Empire circa 200CE was not capitalist. its also too abstract to really tell you anything so it just becomes a lazy way to appear like you know what youre talking about. it's also an easy way to ignore individual responsibility. i'm not saying it doesn't exist just that if you find someone talking about it in some long boring screed chances are you're dealing with a freshman lit student who just watched a zizek video and had his mind blown
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May 23, 2022 06:20
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I'm with shibawanako re: capitalism. It's a word that means a thing and idiots cosplaying leftists overuse it to the point it means nothing. The Roman Empire circa 200CE was not capitalist. Capitalism as a term might get overused but it feels pretty reasonable to bring it up when talking about abuse of power in a workplace, which is what prompted this discussion.
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May 23, 2022 06:45
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Gaius Marius posted:Peanut butter is really good on burgers Truth. Doctor Spaceman posted:Capitalism as a term might get overused but it feels pretty reasonable to bring it up when talking about abuse of power in a workplace, which is what prompted this discussion. Abuse of power in the workplace is a fantastic example of something that happened long before capitalism and will keep happening until we invent self-sustaining workbots and live like Wall-E people.
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May 23, 2022 10:57
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I'm sure Disco Elysium is a great game that I will love when I play but the various quotes and screenshots I've seen aren't funny or clever out of context.Edgar Allen Ho posted:Abuse of power in the workplace is a fantastic example of something that happened long before capitalism and will keep happening until we invent self-sustaining workbots and live like Wall-E people. But it is happening under a capitalist system now so it might be worth looking at the specifics. Nobody would suggest that considering capitalism would be irrelevant when looking at corruption just because it exists under other systems too.
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May 23, 2022 11:06
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I'm sure Disco Elysium is a great game that I will love when I play but the various quotes and screenshots I've seen aren't funny or clever out of context. its a very good game op, probably the one good game this forum universally speaks highly about
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May 23, 2022 11:09
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JollyBoyJohn posted:its a very good game op, probably the one good game this forum universally speaks highly about Yeah I'm really looking forward to playing it, it's just that none of those high expectations have come any screenshot I've ever seen.
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May 23, 2022 11:12
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I'm sure Disco Elysium is a great game that I will love when I play but the various quotes and screenshots I've seen aren't funny or clever out of context.
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May 23, 2022 11:13
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah I'm really looking forward to playing it, it's just that none of those high expectations have come any screenshot I've ever seen. hmm, not trying to sound like a smartass here but its like a single page not doing a book justice, there is a lot of great writing in Disco Elysium, and fantastic voice acting too but theres nothing i'd personally think would be useful as a way of convincing people to try it in terms of back of the box quotes or anything, it's just a pretty clever game and you'll have a great time!
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May 23, 2022 14:22
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah I'm really looking forward to playing it, it's just that none of those high expectations have come any screenshot I've ever seen. Screenshots won't do that game justice. A lot of the humor comes from the set up or the decisions you can make in a specific situation to make it way worse/hilarious. It would sort of be like posting a screen shot of the punchline of your favorite joke. edit: Ooof, had this screen opened longer than I thought. Yeah, what they said! /\/\/\/\
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Robobot posted:It would sort of be like posting a screen shot of the punchline of your favorite joke.
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May 23, 2022 15:11
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Oh no someone mentioned disco elysium Be prepared for disappointment if you've been reading the discourse about the game before playing it. It is in fact very good while simultaneously being one of the most overrated games of all time
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I'm honestly a bit more weirded out by the way that an incident with a flight attendant being sexually harrassed was framed in the context of 'sex work is work' (though of course it is) than I am about people identifying (accurately) capitalism as a common factor in a great deal of terrible poo poo that happens (even if those same people are a bit, um, optimistic about those bad things going away in the event that capitalism ever does). Also the way that people talk about 'capital' as if it's a living and sentient creature with actual plans and goals is really stupid. Also, don't call people 'workers'. There. That's my Internet Communism grievances sorted. gently caress capitalism, tho.
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May 23, 2022 15:36
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Tiggum posted:I'm not sure that's an unpopular opinion. It's the truth. The game is quite funny, but the out-of-context quotes don't do it any justice. I disliked Disco Elysium but only because it didn't engage me much at all. Although most games haven't been recently so that is almost certainly a me-thing Shibawanko posted:its also too abstract to really tell you anything so it just becomes a lazy way to appear like you know what youre talking about. it's also an easy way to ignore individual responsibility. i'm not saying it doesn't exist just that if you find someone talking about it in some long boring screed chances are you're dealing with a freshman lit student who just watched a zizek video and had his mind blown I mean this is to a certain degree mostly true. At the same time I think it's very easy to determine based on context what specific facet of a capitalist system it's in reference to, and to a certain degree, the whole thing is too integrated to just take piecemeal, because bureaucracy is very self correcting in many aspects and because there's an ouroboros between society, culture, other systems like that, and people. Like I don't think you can Just Establish Communism™️, because, e.g. most people have been socialised into a system where hoarding is rewarded and encouraged, etc ad nauseum I don't think it's very fair to pin misunderstanding what "capitalism" is solely on leftists. I've seen right wing people say (among other things) that e.g. gifting culture among indigenous peoples is capitalist, which, lmao. I do think it's fair to say that a lot of people misunderstand or do not name things correctly and make a lot of assumptions around "capitalism" that are not true. Peripherally, Ellen Meiksins-Wood wrote a very good and well-cited book on this which boils down in the first section to calling everyone in all quarters out for making xyz assumption about how capitalism arose, and presuming the existence of it as a system before it came about (It's called "The Origins of Capitalism", and features on a fair number of Economics courses).
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docbeard posted:I'm honestly a bit more weirded out by the way that an incident with a flight attendant being sexually harrassed was framed in the context of 'sex work is work' (though of course it is) than I am about people identifying (accurately) capitalism as a common factor in a great deal of terrible poo poo that happens (even if those same people are a bit, um, optimistic about those bad things going away in the event that capitalism ever does). Yeah I don't think anyone here is of the opinion that a flight attendant should be harassed at work.
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docbeard posted:Also the way that people talk about 'capital' as if it's a living and sentient creature with actual plans and goals is really stupid.
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I think all criticism of capitalism is good and should happen more often, even if the particulars don't make much sense. If we can have a generation that grows up hating the concept maybe we can create a popular bulwark against privatization and austerity. I mean the CAPITALISM propaganda reached a fever pitch in my lifetime - to the point that some of us are dumb enough to think no one would work without it - and the pendulum needs to swing back. Not to mention the issue will absolutely be forced in our lifetimes. There will not be enough work to go around and gatekeeping survival behind laboring for someone else is going to make a lot of very hungry people very angry
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Manager Hoyden posted:
Sounds like we just need to wait for that. Problem solved.
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Tiggum posted:No one thinks that "capital" is a person I am 100% certain this is not true.
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Keep in mind that there are a great deal of folks who are just kind of dumb
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People who can't figure out how to use self checkout need to be put in prison
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If the memes keep apace, we may see Sony greenlight a Morbius sequel
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thetoughestbean posted:If the memes keep apace, we may see Sony greenlight a Morbius sequel If a Morbius 2 happens I guarantee that the line "it's Morbin' time!" will be in it
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Manager Hoyden posted:There will not be enough work to go around and gatekeeping survival behind laboring for someone else is going to make a lot of very hungry people very angry PHUO: If there's not enough work to go around, then why do we need all those hungry mouths?
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5TonsOfFlax posted:PHUO: If there's not enough work to go around, then why do we need all those hungry mouths? As a threat. "If you don't work, starve" is what people are forced into.
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youll allways have to work to eat unless you can find someone else to do the work for you
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Tiggum posted:It's a metaphor. No one thinks that "capital" is a person, it's just a handy way to talk about emergent properties of a complex system. Like how you can talk about a machine "wanting" to do something when you mean it's the way it was designed to operate. People have plans and goals and their actions cause systems to be designed and used in particular ways that create consequences, both intended and unintended, and it's useful to be able to discuss those effects on a large scale rather than breaking everything down to the discrete actions of countless individuals. Daniel Dennet calls this the intentional stance. It's also useful when talking about processes like evolution.
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Collapsing Farts posted:youll allways have to work to eat This is not true nor should it be. People who are severely disabled or sick should not be forced to work. Nor should most of the work being done be continued in its present form.
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Our priorities in this country are hosed. It should not be 'do an arbitrary amount of work and then maybe you eat'. Instead, it should be 'food provided for free, and then maybe we find some work for you to do'.
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What? What do you think ebt/food stamps and food banks are for?
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May 24, 2022 16:33
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Means testing, for the most part. Certainly not helping poor people.
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veni veni veni posted:What? What do you think ebt/food stamps and food banks are for? lol
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