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Ronwayne posted:I despair when people talk of Texas secession and start posting Billy Sherman memes because that's not what they intend. Texas 'secession' specifically means ignoring federal law while continuing to receive federal money and protection and ALSO dictating state policy to other states, and they're succeeding. Every time someone brings up redstates being tiny economically irrelevant backwaters with no power beyond disproportionate senate seating, I look over at Texas, throbbing like senator armstrong's giant nanite infused heart. This place is Bavaria circa 1921, but with a lot more industry and political weight. When I think succession, I mean full break. They would have to set up walls, and their own military. And Texas is a bit too scatter brained to pull it off.  Sure they have a lot of tech stuff, and the space program, but that is because they have that tiny bit of federal infrastructure to build off of. Texas and all the little Republican states are in back and forth conversation with each other. So Texas has to ride a delicate line of being part of the USA and Not. If California, Florida, or New York left the union, Texas would be second because it wouldn't want to pay the extra taxes to support a that spread out USA lifestyle. California always seems separate from the USA. New York has NYPD in Pairs. And Florida is loving crazy and would probably end up as little kingdoms. Texas always feels like a place that needs the United States more than the United States needs it.
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:When I think succession, I mean full break. They would have to set up walls, and their own military. And Texas is a bit too scatter brained to pull it off. i would never share a state or whatever with texas. I can barely stand to share a country with them shitkickers now
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i thought texas was germans
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Real hurthling! posted:i thought texas was germans Texas is America's Argentina
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Texas is the america of america
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if only we had the timeline where post-1848 Germans turned Texas communist
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Peanut President posted:i would never share a state or whatever with texas. I can barely stand to share a country with them shitkickers now This means it is more likely than you think
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this but like this https://i.imgur.com/8fH3Roc.mp4 If we're talking serious speculation civil war balking, it's this. Like Syrian civil war spiderwebs along highway arteries connecting the cities, some vague area of somewhat control they have over their surrounding countryside, and huge areas of contested no-man's land zones with a million different rival factions. The two largest factions in this are "the USA" and its hated rival "the USA". (the million other rival factions also call themselves the USA) EDIT: Oh also you also have within the red zones of urban USA an equally horrific and confusing inchoate mass of war between the exurban and urban zones in a never-ending fractal nightmare of urban combat repeated across the continent from sea to shining sea DrSunshine has issued a correction as of 01:34 on May 25, 2022 |
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Dying to capture the critical crossroads denny's so we can use it as a jumping off point to take the CVS across the street
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duck.exe posted:if only we had the timeline where post-1848 Germans turned Texas communist Unfortunately, as repeated elsewhere70 years later, the left leaning German immigrants got terrorized/purged by confederate proto-nazis when they wouldn't fight for the south, and awhile after that just merged into the general mass of demon assholes. DrSunshine posted:this loving Dallas is a great example of this, but I'm afraid our right wing factions are way more likely to get along at least until they've gone through enough purge cycles all that remains is other white cistheteronormative people. Assad was no friend to ISIS but i fear the u.s. militarized police (and possibly the military itself) and christofash militias aren't going to be so opposed. Weirdly, I think one of the few major factions that want's no part of a balk is the u.s. military. For all the inherent right wing nature of an imperial military, assorted generals made it extremely clear they wanted no part of counter-protester action in 2020 and told trump "lol, no" , so, we're at least not at the point of helicopter gunships emptying rocket tubes into crowds in u.s. cities.
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DrSunshine posted:this I figure if generalized gun fighting in the street breaks out I will 1. Be shot by a sniper while trying to get food or going to work and 2. I will still be expected to go to work in person.
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Ronwayne posted:Weirdly, I think one of the few major factions that want's no part of a balk is the u.s. military. For all the inherent right wing nature of an imperial military, assorted generals made it extremely clear they wanted no part of counter-protester action in 2020 and told trump "lol, no" , so, we're at least not at the point of helicopter gunships emptying rocket tubes into crowds in u.s. cities. It'll probably depend on various factions within the military itself along various ethnic, religious, or ideological lines, as both USAs will likely claim to be the legitimate one and the military will want to support the legitimate USA. Oh they will balk. [yoda voice] They will balk Comedy option: the military goes "gently caress both y'all" and makes their own USA. DrSunshine has issued a correction as of 02:36 on May 25, 2022 |
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Airforce mormons and evangelicals can't get airbourne to bomb others without a lot of help from non-white parts of the military doing the absurd logistics train that keeps air power going.
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balk will end up like the HRE where everyone nominally recognizes the sovereignty of the President in Washington because formally seceding means a big military crushes you but functionally speaking everywhere is independent and they often fight each other over petty bullshit
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i feel like where the cultural divisions are within the military itself is a big blind spot for, i guess basically everyone
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vyelkin posted:balk will end up like the HRE where everyone nominally recognizes the sovereignty of the President in Washington because formally seceding means a big military crushes you but functionally speaking everywhere is independent and they often fight each other over petty bullshit Revolting in the name of John House
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dedicated personal in your face murder squads like SEALS+anyone who has ever stepped inside the air force academy vs ??? vs ??? vs ???. I'm hoping the majority of it are terminal lance types who would want no part of any of this bullshit.
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Ronwayne posted:The part of the army/marines/navy that actually shoot people close enough to see their faces+anyone who has ever stepped inside the air force academy vs ??? vs ??? vs ??? i thought the grunts were usually poor brown and black people e: oh yeah the special forces guys are a different matter altogether
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From what I understood, at least during the GWoT, combat arms trended white heavily with support being POC, please correct me if I'm wrong or if it that changed. Also see edit where i narrowed it down to ninja special forces types.
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settle down with the post edits, i can barely keep up
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one of the reasons the Afghan military collapsed overnight was that when the US withdrew the Afghans could no longer do maintenance on all their fancy equipment because it turns out all the complex maintenance was done by US military technicians and private US military contractors the Saudis can only continue bombing Yemen because their planes are serviced by UK military technicians most modern US military tech is so technically complicated to operate and maintain that in a balk scenario either the military fights tooth and claw to keep its logistics together so the planes can fly and the tanks can drive, which means different military factions don't kill each other because they depend on each other too much, or the entire military ceases functioning except at the most basic level of like guys in assault rifles driving humvees
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My bad, sorry shear.
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Given the entire stupid history of the 21st century so far which of those options do you think is most likely, I'd go with the latter 100%
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If things get that bad I fully expect the us to just be nuked
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Ronwayne posted:Unfortunately, as repeated elsewhere70 years later, the left leaning German immigrants got terrorized/purged by confederate proto-nazis when they wouldn't fight for the south, and awhile after that just merged into the general mass of demon assholes. When fascism comes to America it'll waving the rainbow flag and holding a copy of Anti Racist Baby, which it will use to club to death the new Fred Hampton for "doing a no growth. Doing a class reductionism. Doing a multi racial whiteness."
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vyelkin posted:one of the reasons the Afghan military collapsed overnight was that when the US withdrew the Afghans could no longer do maintenance on all their fancy equipment because it turns out all the complex maintenance was done by US military technicians and private US military contractors will chairman xi then launch a humanitarian intervention
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Fun with maps aside I can't see contemporary Americans whether chud or liberal actually fighting a civil war. This is a nation of cowards just looking for an authority figure to kneel to. The best leaders will be the ones that allow supporters to contextualize their cowardice as strength rather than require people to do anything. Then those leaders will leverage their support to be in charge without any friction from opponents who also don't want to fight. Americans can get randy about being bully boys but not actually fighting. This includes the military who, despite whatever memes they post, will probably continue the follow the chain of command that'll come from the top who are all tied into business/finance. They don't have the will to declare themselves the independent air force of god and go ham on liberals. FuzzySlippers has issued a correction as of 04:22 on May 25, 2022 |
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Masculine Thrust posted:When fascism comes to America it'll waving the rainbow flag and holding a copy of Anti Racist Baby, which it will use to club to death the new Fred Hampton for "doing a no growth. Doing a class reductionism. Doing a multi racial whiteness." the libs found their preferred fascism and it's just nazism https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1517993869064826881?s=20&t=bot3aS0A6p7bfmbL_vPnew fred hampton's defense minister even hangs out with banderites now https://twitter.com/RepBobbyRush/status/436285942383382529?s=20&t=bot3aS0A6p7bfmbL_vPnew
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If the military is already showing cracks over COVID they absolutely would break under a real strain
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War and Pieces posted:If the military is already showing cracks over COVID they absolutely would break under a real strain They haven't really though. Most were vaccinated and the anti-vax were either discharged or flagged/barred for re-enlistment if they were close to the end of their contract.
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we're never gonna see a balk in our lifetimes lol
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redleader posted:we're never gonna see a balk in our lifetimes lol That's because one side gets everything they want lol
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The pandemic that the government deliberately exacerbated to murder undesirables has already killed more Americans than the Civil War. Who needs a shooting war?
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Chamale posted:The pandemic that the government deliberately exacerbated to murder undesirables has already killed more Americans than the Civil War. Who needs a shooting war? Famously few people died of communicable diseases in the *checks notes* 19th century
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Masculine Thrust posted:When fascism comes to America it'll waving the rainbow flag and holding a copy of Anti Racist Baby, which it will use to club to death the new Fred Hampton for "doing a no growth. Doing a class reductionism. Doing a multi racial whiteness." I dunno, in general the tumblr kids from 2014 ended up doing far less school shootings than the sorts of people that made/make fun of them.
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They are the new MADD/mpaa through. Concerned trolling.
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FuzzySlippers posted:Fun with maps aside I can't see contemporary Americans whether chud or liberal actually fighting a civil war. This is a nation of cowards just looking for an authority figure to kneel to. The best leaders will be the ones that allow supporters to contextualize their cowardice as strength rather than require people to do anything. Then those leaders will leverage their support to be in charge without any friction from opponents who also don't want to fight. Americans can get randy about being bully boys but not actually fighting. Yeah as fun as it is to joke about balkanizing, I think this is accurate. No matter how many memes they might share about how it's time to murder your political opponents, very few Americans actually want to risk their lives for anything and there are enormously powerful people and institutions with a huge interest in keeping the country together at least in name, so that the logistics and supply chains and physical capital of things like Walmart or Amazon or the military-industrial complex remain intact and functional. As a result, a scenario that could theoretically lead to the breakup of the country, like for example the complete capture of federal institutions by a radical minority that enforces an unpopular agenda on the entire country by force, is more likely to result in the other side seeking some kind of accommodation with the new ruling elite rather than seceding and fighting, because all those vested interests will be insisting that nobody rock the boat too much and thus interfere with the functioning of business as usual.
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Ned Beatty JUST died though
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:They haven't really though. Most were vaccinated and the anti-vax were either discharged or flagged/barred for re-enlistment if they were close to the end of their contract. What state was it where the Gov kept firing National Guard generals untill he got an anti Vaxer?
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