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pmchem posted:buddy, I’m the one that made the posts about pallets. I’m not so naive as to believe that they are incapable of mild improvement, though. "Russia will learn how to do logistics and combined arms any day now" is the new "Trump is about to pivot and become presidential."
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Men and materiel losses also aren't occurring at static rates, Ukraine probably exchanges favorably on the defense mostly, and especially well for example during that Russian rout north of Kyiv, but Azovstal surrendering was a big chunk of losses for Ukraine and the currently forming pocket is again a potential big chunk of manpower and equipment lost no matter if they lose them getting artilleried on the road trying to pull out of the pocket or via surrendering, which they're going to have to do if Ukraine can do nothing but very slowly fall back. We don't really have good data on the respective losses but a vague eyeball is a bit concerning. I also don't have a good idea how equipment inflows from the West stack up vs losses, they have to be going through quite a few T-64s as well.
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To make it clear, I chose this as the new thread title because I think it makes for a great dig at Russia.
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FrozenVent posted:It’s possible. The thing is the merchant ships won’t be from NATO countries - there are a precious few of those - even though their owners might be. Akshwally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeton_incident Fairly certain they have been considering this. They just loaded a bunch of stuff on a Wilhelmsen vessel for Ukraine going through northern Europe and they have been doing a lot of testing with the grey hulls but that doesn't really mean anything.
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I know we already did the "two days to Kyiv" Groverpost, but pretend I'm posting it again.
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lightpole posted:Akshwally quote:In 1987, the United States agreed to Kuwaiti requests to provide naval escorts for its tankers on the condition that the civilian ships be reflagged under U.S. flag and al-Rekkah was perforce renamed Bridgeton. Technically Bridgetown was US flagged. But at the end of the day international law means whatever the gently caress the big guns say it mean.
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Losing slowly was already a huge step up in expected performance from the start. Doing so slowly while the Russian economy turns in to Big Juche is a pretty solid strategy at the moment. Numbers are coming out from other countries (because Russia mysteriously stopped reporting them) that are painting a loving dire picture.
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aphid_licker posted:Men and materiel losses also aren't occurring at static rates, Ukraine probably exchanges favorably on the defense mostly, and especially well for example during that Russian rout north of Kyiv, but Azovstal surrendering was a big chunk of losses for Ukraine and the currently forming pocket is again a potential big chunk of manpower and equipment lost no matter if they lose them getting artilleried on the road trying to pull out of the pocket or via surrendering, which they're going to have to do if Ukraine can do nothing but very slowly fall back. We don't really have good data on the respective losses but a vague eyeball is a bit concerning. I also don't have a good idea how equipment inflows from the West stack up vs losses, they have to be going through quite a few T-64s as well. Just to remind you; there is another main road they can use, over Siversk. additionally the landscape is quite open with lots of field roads, that means travel is by no means restricted to those. For Russians to manage to pocket the Sievierodonetsk area, they would have to put in a massive presence to fully hinder movement. There are not many natural chokepoints betwen Bakhmut and sievierodonetsk. This pocket has been forming since the start of april two full months, whatever the Ukrainian forces are doing they have had plenty of time to see it potentially coming, and decide what to keep and what to pull back. I suppose this might be another test to see how competent they are.
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The Russians had Chernihiv surrounded for almost a month and it didn't break, and it was just over the line from another logistics hub in Belarus. And that was without tens of thousands of Ukrainians fighting an active defense around it.
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pmchem posted:Looks like it’s only a matter of time for Luhansk to fall. https://twitter.com/RobinBrooksIIF/status/1528523028623237120
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pmchem posted:Looks like it’s only a matter of time for Luhansk to fall. They are already having to pull the T-62s out of storage. How many more tanks worth even half of a drat do they have? How many more tank crews that aren't pure cannon fodder do they have? If the fighting continues at this level of ferocity, we might be seeing frontline T-55s by Christmas.
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bird food bathtub posted:Losing slowly was already a huge step up in expected performance from the start. Doing so slowly while the Russian economy turns in to Big Juche is a pretty solid strategy at the moment. Numbers are coming out from other countries (because Russia mysteriously stopped reporting them) that are painting a loving dire picture. Oh? Like what?
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In Russia the tank crew is a spreadsheet entry of the number 3. "у вас есть лицензия?" "да"
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I've never seen a red text that says so much more about the person that bought it.
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https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1529134735754002432?t=b0ohoS4J0nRlh-ezN196TQ&s=19 Right wing hacks are loving clowns. More dead Russian generals is always good
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not caring here posted:I've never seen a red text that says so much more about the person that bought it. I still can't comprehend the whole "the USA is responsible for all these dead Ukrainians" takes, myself.
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So wait did Putin really get a shot taken at him holy poo poo hahahah gently caress
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1529134735754002432?t=b0ohoS4J0nRlh-ezN196TQ&s=19 Hey, serving one enlistment as a Marine means he knows exactly how war works on the operational and strategic levels. Also I cannot comprehend how after three months of watching Russia get absolutely pantsed, these chuds can keep going with BIG MANLY MAN AXE THROWING RUSSIANS BETTER THAN WESTERN SOYBOYS
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May 24, 2022 17:56
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If the supply situation for Russia gets REALLY bad would they break out the T-34s?
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1529134735754002432?t=b0ohoS4J0nRlh-ezN196TQ&s=19 Twitter is going to be a fun place to watch people get called out when this is over. I don't understand how, at this point, people believe that Russia is a credible threat to the US (besides nukes).
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Joke Miriam posted:If the supply situation for Russia gets REALLY bad would they break out the T-34s? No. Because they don't have any. A few years back they actually bought some working examples from Vietnam so they could stock their museums and such.
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Joke Miriam posted:If the supply situation for Russia gets REALLY bad would they break out the T-34s? t64-t72-t80-t90 has the same caliber gun so it's not a big hurdle for logistics, activating t62 means starting a new ammo supply line and so does for t54-t55. Going back to anything older than t55 is unlikely imho.
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But is the t64 gun barrel designed for modern propellents, or are they... hold on, let me stop myself there.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I still can't comprehend the whole "the USA is responsible for all these dead Ukrainians" takes, myself. Some people desperately need to believe that nobody in the world has agency other than the CIA. This both allows them to explain everything that happens as nefarious US interference, and also self-justify a whole range of awful opinions (eg. about what happens to Muslims in Xinjiang) on the basis of 'nobody actually makes decisions anyway'.
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in lighter  news, а сейчас я вам покажу blemish-free skin courtesy of стронк русский гриб, no gay NATO cosmetics here https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1529002586111631360
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pmchem posted:I think that this, and other replies pointing at map distances, make a dangerously poor assumption that land will continue to change hands at a static rate. If Ukraine is really put on the retreat in an area, enemy advance will only be limited by logistics/supply.
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Uncle Enzo posted:No. Because they don't have any. A few years back they actually bought some working examples from Vietnam so they could stock their museums and such. If true, this is almost a letdown because in the back of my mind I really was thinking that maybe they'd start deploying T-34/85s, and just lol at a Javelin or RPG vs one of those. Jimmy Smuts fucked around with this message at 23:24 on May 24, 2022 |
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Hmm, considering they still have Mosins to pass out, I figured they had a bunch in storage out in Siberia or something. What did they do with them all, melt 'em down? That's a shitload of T-34s, and it's not like they've been selling them to insurgencies like with old firearms. Most T-34 were given to client states while they were usable. There was no reason to keep a 34 when you have 55's. They weren't useful against modern weapons- even modern 50 cal API can do damage to a 34. Those and the amphibious PT-76 were really popular aid to various groups around the world, including Vietnam and various proxy forces in around the world.
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It's also a lot easier to pack a mosin in cosmoline to preserve it for the next thousand years than it is to preserve a diesel engine and all of the other parts of a large vehicle that probably has to be stored outdoors or semi-outdoors.
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my kinda ape posted:It's also a lot easier to pack a mosin in cosmoline to preserve it for the next thousand years than it is to preserve a diesel engine and all of the other parts of a large vehicle that probably has to be stored outdoors or semi-outdoors.
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Dessicated ghoul voices terrible opinion. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1529242330993250304?t=JTw53Wfvv_JlU_APHOOxsQ&s=19
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Well now I feel like I should fight, personally, for Ukraine. I wish he'd express opinions more often so I can know what the opposite is and do it
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SlowBloke posted:t64-t72-t80-t90 has the same caliber gun so it's not a big hurdle for logistics, activating t62 means starting a new ammo supply line and so does for t54-t55. Going back to anything older than t55 is unlikely imho. Besides the ammo issue T-62s are very different tanks and obsolete in ways that I don’t think it’s easy to really grasp. Like the most updated ones are still going to have ancient and difficult to use fire control systems and armor that’s maybe effective against rpg-7s or LAWs. Forget things like modern expectations of battlefield awareness.
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Gaius Marius posted:This tweet, like all tweets, is a complete misquote. I don't like the man, but this sort of intellectual dishonesty needs to be called out every time you see it. That is what he said though? How is it not? "Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante," Kissinger said. Prior to the Russian invasion, Russia had already annexed Crimea and portions of eastern Ukraine. A return to the status quo ante would be restoring those conditions, which would require Ukraine to surrender portions of it's sovereign territory Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 00:59 on May 25, 2022 |
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Gaius Marius posted:This tweet, like all tweets, is a complete misquote. I don't like the man, but this sort of intellectual dishonesty needs to be called out every time you see it. I'm pretty sure that's a screenshot of Anthony Bourdain's book, so I'm not sure how it's a misquote exactly.
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If you want to be charitable, there's some merit to the idea that it would be a bad outcome for the world at large if Russia ends up imploding or going full pariah state, and if you your soul has no concept of justice then giving away a few pieces of Ukraine is no cost at all to ensure that doesn't happen. I don't want to be charitable to Henry Kissinger, though.
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Voyager I posted:If you want to be charitable, there's some merit to the idea that it would be a bad outcome for the world at large if Russia ends up imploding or going full pariah state, and if you your soul has no concept of justice then giving away a few pieces of Ukraine is no cost at all to ensure that doesn't happen. "No cost" except to the people living in those pieces. But Kissyface has never given a poo poo about the little people why start now
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