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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I know it's Rall's MO to produce reams and reams of contradictory bullshit because *insert smartypants media studies term* but it never ceases to amaze me how loving obvious it is if you even take the slightest second to think about it. He just yesterday posted something pro-abortion and now he's doing "abloobloo b-but what about teh poor fetuses".

Put some effort in, Todd, come on.

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Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Trapezium Dave posted:

Rall: Party of Choice



What the Hell is the point being made here? No seriously, is it about being anti-choice, or anti-vax, or what? Why is JK Rolling involved? Why is there a gun in the last panel!?

Skeleton Mom
Aug 11, 2008

finally, a new rall to post next time someone thinks rall isn't so bad

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What the Hell is the point being made here? No seriously, is it about being anti-choice, or anti-vax, or what? Why is JK Rolling involved? Why is there a gun in the last panel!?
The point being made is that telling Rall to do something is the morally worst thing anyone can ever do.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
But what about the man's right to be able to force their partner to carry a baby they don't want?

Also won't someone please think of the poor oppressed TERFs?

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

Kikas posted:

I hate that this is already outdated.
When I read the first panel I legit thought it was about the Texas school shooting. Then, whelp...

No way to prevent this etc etc

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
He's mentioned trans people before offhand but this does feel like the most openly transphobic he's been so far. Woke pronouns? I know calling him a boomer will make ted "being gen x is my entire identity" rall particularly mad, so, ok boomer

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

KennyMan666 posted:

Kikas posted:

I hate that this is already outdated.
When I read the first panel I legit thought it was about the Texas school shooting. Then, whelp...

Also this one


My brain briefly wondered how the monkey tied into the shooting until I read the label

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





I don't remember a single Mallard cartoon about Trump talking about lugenpresse.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
https://twitter.com/deAdder/status/1527246955776290818

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀

Angepain posted:

He's mentioned trans people before offhand but this does feel like the most openly transphobic he's been so far. Woke pronouns? I know calling him a boomer will make ted "being gen x is my entire identity" rall particularly mad, so, ok boomer

Woke pronouns like "She" and "Her."

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon

Indiana_Krom posted:

Not really? As this day has demonstrated, this could run every couple of days in America with a some slight adjustment of the tucker carlson panels at most and it will remain relevant basically indefinitely. Republicans have already denounced any calls for gun control over this latest shooting.

It is only Tuesday, there are still plenty of school shooting days left in the week.

Yes, exactly that. Another school shooting happened in the window between this cartoon being published and it being posted to this thread, and the same exact talking points have already been made again. We all knew that would happen, but it is still upsetting.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What the Hell is the point being made here? No seriously, is it about being anti-choice, or anti-vax, or what? Why is JK Rolling involved? Why is there a gun in the last panel!?

It's about being pro-GOP/Trump/Russia, but pretending it's coming from the left. Any attempt at trying to divine a deeper meaning is giving Rall too much credit.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

Lemming posted:

I blame whoever suggested a Rall cartoon could be "good" and produced the insane negative karma that led to this comic being formed

Right, Rall had few too many "not too terrible" cartoons in the last months, this is just the universe balancing itself out.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The arc of the Ted Rall universe is long, but it tends toward just shite.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


With the reactions of right wingers to pronouns I'm fully hoping that one of the wilder ones turns out to make these assholes cringe in physical pain.
I'll be walking the streets just throwing out 'Hir' or 'Mx.' And watching people's heads explode.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

By popular demand posted:

With the reactions of right wingers to pronouns I'm fully hoping that one of the wilder ones turns out to make these assholes cringe in physical pain.
I'll be walking the streets just throwing out 'Hir' or 'Mx.' And watching people's heads explode.

The only justifiable use of those fakeass pronouns IMO. The language already has a gender neutral singular pronoun: them/they.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What the Hell is the point being made here? No seriously, is it about being anti-choice, or anti-vax, or what? Why is JK Rolling involved? Why is there a gun in the last panel!?

It’s the fishhook being baited- it starts with anger at the libs, and then tries to leverage it toward cultural cleavage points that affect a portion of leftists who can be wedged on social conflict issues. If the libs are doing it, it must be bad…and so the nominal leftist seeks common cause with the right.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 13:41 on May 25, 2022

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

The panel in Rall's cartoon I'm most confused by is the "gently caress the unions" one. Like it's not unknown for some of the grosser leftists to be misogynistic or bigots but if you're for the big megacorp against unions then what the hell is your definition of "left".

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


moonmazed posted:

rall should be banned from the thread tbh, people argue over his stupid rear end comics continually

Yes. How dare people debate or discuss things in this forum.

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013
Nap Ghost

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The only justifiable use of those fakeass pronouns IMO. The language already has a gender neutral singular pronoun: them/they.

All language is fake. Hth.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

DreamingofRoses posted:

All language is fake. Hth.

This is one of those things that people say because they think it makes them sound smart. They're wrong.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.


So Bidenomics is being held up, in part, by Bidenomics?

JerikTelorian
Jan 19, 2007



moonmazed posted:

rall should be banned from the thread tbh, people argue over his stupid rear end comics continually

First time in the thread?

moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021

by VideoGames

is there a reason this monkey is holding a bucket of fried chicken or is clay jones just as racist as he is transmisogynist

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

moonmazed posted:

is there a reason this monkey is holding a bucket of fried chicken or is clay jones just as racist as he is transmisogynist

It's likely a reference to Trump's reputed fixation with KFC.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Discendo Vox posted:

It's likely a reference to Trump's reputed fixation with KFC.

There's also a McDonald's burger box falling, and the sippy cup that Jones draws Trump with. It's 100% just Trump, But A Monkey

Cloud Potato
Jan 9, 2011

"I'm... happy!"
:britain:

Guardian:

"Steve Bell on Partygate – Boris Johnson is under fresh scrutiny after pictures emerged of him raising a glass of wine at a leaving do that ‘wasn’t a party’"

Telegraph:


Matt:


Independent:


Times:


Evening Standard:

Texas primary school shooting leaves 21 dead, including 19 children

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

BonHair posted:

It's just until we get an actually scary drum president. Any Clinton president would clearly be their own evil, just like AOC would probably take over as the antichrist if she became president.

Kinda like how Reagan was the worst until Bush junior, who was knocked out of the park by Trump.

It would be nice if some traditionalist cartoonist reminded the public that Joe Biden is carrying out Harry S Truman's agenda and must be stopped.

Skeleton Mom
Aug 11, 2008

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The only justifiable use of those fakeass pronouns IMO. The language already has a gender neutral singular pronoun: them/they.

there is definitely a time and place to discuss the efficacy of neopronouns but i promise you that now/here isn't it

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Lemming posted:

I blame whoever suggested a Rall cartoon could be "good" and produced the insane negative karma that led to this comic being formed

:negative:

Even this could have been somewhat "ha ha, gotcha" adorably stupid observation of the absoluteness of the tolerant left or something. But then at the last minute Rall has to go "a pregnant woman shouldn't have more say on the matter than their partner or the multiplying blob of cells inside them". :chloe:

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

moonmazed posted:

rall should be banned from the thread tbh, people argue over his stupid rear end comics continually

It took months of a literal fuckbarn to get DbD banned in here.

And even if Rall did try to go that route, his art is so poo poo that we'd never know what we were looking at.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Trapezium Dave posted:

The panel in Rall's cartoon I'm most confused by is the "gently caress the unions" one. Like it's not unknown for some of the grosser leftists to be misogynistic or bigots but if you're for the big megacorp against unions then what the hell is your definition of "left".
Oh yeah there are leftists (trots mostly) who are quick to poo poo on unions if they aren't being led in the proper socialist way.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


the_steve posted:

It took months of a literal fuckbarn to get DbD banned in here.

And even if Rall did try to go that route, his art is so poo poo that we'd never know what we were looking at.

JamesBont
Oct 1, 2021

the_steve posted:

It took months of a literal fuckbarn to get DbD banned in here.

And even if Rall did try to go that route, his art is so poo poo that we'd never know what we were looking at.

DbD?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Day by Day, a terrible right wing copy-paste cartoon starring the author's Mary Sue who was raping a hot liberal woman in the rear end.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

This is one of those things that people say because they think it makes them sound smart. They're wrong.

Well, no, it's accurate. All languages are made up, they're just arbitrary sounds that humans assigned to objects and ideas over time and by agreeing what sounds correspond to which thing we're able to communicate complex ideas quickly as a species.

There's no innate reason for a "dog" to be a "dog", and in other places it isn't a "dog" at all it's "perro" or "chien" or "inu". However, if enough people all agree to think of the same thing when they each say "dog" then they're able to communicate and understand the idea of a "dog" immediately without having to come up with a way to describe it every time they want to talk about it.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Oh no

A linguistics derail

Raised By Birds
May 5, 2013

quote:

THE SOLUTION IS MORE GUNS NOT LESS

An 18 year-old mass murderer attacked an elementary school. Everyone feels terrible about the tragedy, but Biden immediately turned it into a call for gun control.

That was disgusting. It’s almost as if our corrupt government and its security agencies are arranging weekly mass shootings in order to gain their goal: nullify the Second Amendment. I’m not saying the most recent shooting was a false flag, but let’s just say the government and the FBI won’t hesitate to arrange things.

Kamala Harris spouted the cliché, “Enough is enough!” We all agree that too many have died, but the solution is not taking away the guns.

The solution is more guns.

We need to arm school personnel. Provide teachers with a sidearm if necessary. Hire full time security guards. Biden will say we can’t afford that, yet he can afford to shovel away $40 billion taxpayer dollars to Ukraine for more bombs, guns, and death.If a shooter knows he’s entering a ‘gun free zone,’ he naturally becomes more emboldened. If he knows that the business or school has plenty of employees packing heat, he might be more reluctant.

We know the globalists and the Marxist Democrats want to completely disarm American citizens. They’ll end up telling us that we don’t need anything more powerful than a small caliber revolver before taking those away, too. That’s “common sense” gun control, as Joe puts it. We shouldn’t fall for such BS. We need what the Democrats erroneously call ‘assault weapons.’ They use that term to scare us out of owning them. We need high capacity magazines. We needpowerful rounds of ammunition. We need it all to protect ourselves when Big Government oversteps its bounds and decides they want to cart us off to secret camps or worse.

We might need them to fight off government thugs who are going door to door to carry out mandatory vaccinations. Who knows—we might need them when government tries to take away children from parents because those parents object to the disturbing sexual grooming practiced by the insane public education system.

We need our Second Amendment not only for hunting and self-protection, but mainly to fight back against a heavily armed globalist government bent on our destruction.

Big government claims they’re concerned about our safety. They say we must lose our liberty in order to fight evil-doers.

It’s time for Americans to realize that government itself is the ultimate evil-doer.

— Ben Garrison

Oh look, it's that "give everyone who works at the school a gun" thing that gets trotted out every time there's a mass shooting at a school.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Well, no, it's accurate. All languages are made up, they're just arbitrary sounds that humans assigned to objects and ideas over time and by agreeing what sounds correspond to which thing we're able to communicate complex ideas quickly as a species.

There's no innate reason for a "dog" to be a "dog", and in other places it isn't a "dog" at all it's "perro" or "chien" or "inu". However, if enough people all agree to think of the same thing when they each say "dog" then they're able to communicate and understand the idea of a "dog" immediately without having to come up with a way to describe it every time they want to talk about it.
I agree in principle but will nevertheless take this opportunity to introduce a few people to the Bouba/Kiki effect. Look at these two shapes:



Which one is named Bouba and which one is named Kiki? Since we're on the English-speaking internet, most people will probably think the spiky figure on the left is Kiki and the rounded one on the right is Bouba, and this is true across a lot of languages and cultures.

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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Well, no, it's accurate. All languages are made up, they're just arbitrary sounds that humans assigned to objects and ideas over time and by agreeing what sounds correspond to which thing we're able to communicate complex ideas quickly as a species.

There's no innate reason for a "dog" to be a "dog", and in other places it isn't a "dog" at all it's "perro" or "chien" or "inu". However, if enough people all agree to think of the same thing when they each say "dog" then they're able to communicate and understand the idea of a "dog" immediately without having to come up with a way to describe it every time they want to talk about it.

It's accurate in a dumb way though. The point of a language is that you have a community agreeing what stuff means, which means that new words have to be accepted by the speech community before they're meaningful, or real so to speak.
Calling pronouns fake is just perfectly cromulent shorthand for then not being recognized by the (general Anglo) speech community.

Compare to currency, which is equally made up. I can't just make up a new currency and expect to be able to buy bread with it, at least until you get enough idiots to join on it.

As for pronouns, I still believe that the right solution is to just abandon he/him/his entirely and only use she/her for everyone regardless of gender. But that's never gonna get accepted.

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