Elvis_Maximus posted:

I was real excited for the first MH and thought it was a great idea

But I've kinda been coming around to the same view tbh. I think a lot of the MH cards are fine, but they create these extremely pushed, really really powerful designs that end up sort of homogenizing everything.

Like if you look at the top cards in Modern today:

41% Lightning Bolt
38% Endurance
34% Fury
34% Mystical Dispute
33% Engineered Explosives
32% Relic of Progenitus
30% Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer
29% Force of Vigor
28% Teferi, Time Raveler
27% Counterspell

Half of them (depending on where we count Counterspell for Modern) are just straight up MH printings. The other half of the cards are almost entirely there because they answer archetypes enabled by MH so effectively. Teferi is just a dumb card in general that probably should never have been printed (I hate it so much), but it enables decks to fight the really hyper focused decks and incidentally fights two of the most popular decks in the format (being the cascade decks). Mystical Dispute is so high up because of things like Murktide being so incredibly powerful (in addition to there just being a LOT of good blue cards). Engineered Explosives is super popular because of cascade decks as well, in addition to just how much of the format is extremely efficient cards that cost 1

If you look at the creature list it's sort of even worst:
38% Endurance
34% Fury
30% Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer
27% Magus of the Moon
21% Solitude
19% Subtlety
19% Dragon's Rage Channeler
18% Brazen Borrower
15% Murktide Regent
15% Emrakul, the Promised End

Pretty much all the primer threats in modern in terms of creatures are MH2. On the above list it's 7/10 cards that are printed in MH. Emrakul doesn't really count though because it's just a single sideboard card in a few of the popular decks

In a lot of decks these days in Modern, you play all the good MH cards for your archetype (and if there aren't any the deck is probably not really super competitive), then you just sort of flavor your wincon with whatever 15 or less cards or so you want to use to end the game/use for card draw.

Edit: I was really hoping MHs would be sort of "cards that are too powerful for standard, but aimed at a wide variety of archetypes to give new tools" and instead it's "a lot of junk, and also extremely pushed cards that are extremely generally good and everyone will need to play, few inbetweens"

Lone Goat posted:

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Gamble was in Saga, and yeah I agree. I'm talking about immensely forgettable poo poo like this



Cards in all colours let you discard to activate abilities, but all the red ones discarded at random because 'lol red so wacky' or whatever, so it was basically unplayable.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Was Mortal Combat Prophecy? That's a fun card if not a good one.

Threshold could come back and be good, I feel.

HootTheOwl posted:

I've said it before but I've liked just about every reprint in the MH sets and even half of the new cards (most of which are existing effects but improved to be more=playable in the non-rotating formats)
It's just those awful AWFUL chase rares and mythics they need to sell the set.

A Moose posted:

God, Prophecy limited must have been painful

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

End panels on, front trim next. Final dimensions 36" by 24" by 17".

MonsieurChoc posted:

Imagine a card that brings back mana burn.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Was Mortal Combat Prophecy? That's a fun card if not a good one.

Silhouette posted:

Sega 32X posted:

Just lol if they print another commander set without dockside

I would think that they would put it and the commander lotus in every commander set but I don't understand *the metrics* or whatever on how to sell to their casual crowd to keep them from just printing a million proxies.

reignonyourparade posted:

Supposedly the commander rules committee has a list of cards they've asked WotC not to reprint as a "soft-ban" because they don't want to actually ban things but also have cards they don't want people to play, so they just ask WotC to keep them extremely expensive instead as a worst of both world.

reignonyourparade posted:

Supposedly the commander rules committee has a list of cards they've asked WotC not to reprint as a "soft-ban" because they don't want to actually ban things but also have cards they don't want people to play, so they just ask WotC to keep them extremely expensive instead as a worst of both world.

Lone Goat posted:

[citation needed]

reignonyourparade posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DVLEN6yN0&t=567s

kalel posted:

Reddit post

reignonyourparade posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DVLEN6yN0&t=567s

kalel posted:

Reddit post

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

omg

https://twitter.com/bmkibler/status/1529616870877241344

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

omg

https://twitter.com/bmkibler/status/1529616870877241344

Jiro posted:

Why the gently caress is it so dusty in my bed? gently caress

teppichporsche posted:

Didn’t people complain that MH1 was too weak?

teppichporsche posted:

Didn’t people complain that MH1 was too weak?

teppichporsche posted:

Didn’t people complain that MH1 was too weak?

Lone Goat posted:

Cards in all colours let you discard to activate abilities, but all the red ones discarded at random because 'lol red so wacky' or whatever, so it was basically unplayable.

Mr. Peepers posted:

This is especially bad because obviously you can't pay a "Discard at random" cost with only 1 card in hand, as that wouldn't be random.

teppichporsche posted:

Didn’t people complain that MH1 was too weak?

quote:

The life cycle of a Magic: the Gathering set release:

1) Wizards announces that they have an announcement coming up, and that you would have to be some sort of crazy person to miss it.

2) Wizards announces the name of the set, and hints at either a card or a mechanic in the set.

3) MaRo writes an article about how this will be the most amazing, revolutionary, game changing set in the last 10 years, and how it will fix standard.

4) someone from WotC writes an article about how this set has a ton of cards that will help your brawl deck. both he and his mom read the article, bringing the article's hit count up to 3.

5) The deadline for small businesses to tell WotC how much they want to buy happens

6) WotC sends the complete spoiler to the same companies they've been sending them to for years.

7) WotC announces something random about the set that doesn't seem to mean too much to most people, but it makes most WPN stores regret ordering either too much or too little of the set. WPN stores wonder why they couldn't have known this information before step 5.

8.) WotC spoils a few cards.

9) Total nonsense buyouts happen, as well as a few actual sensical buyouts.

10) people who don't understand how economics work begin complaining about buyouts, and posting it vehemently everywhere they can.

11) more cards are spoiled.

12) Rudy makes a video declaring this set to either be the greatest set in 2 years or the worst set in 5 years. For the next 3 weeks, every decision 5% of the MtG population makes is based on this video.

13) Someone mocks up a fake spoiler of a Reserved List card as if it is going to be in the new set. Dozens of people message me or post on my article. Many get added to my mute list.

14) WotC Spoils more cards.

15) WotC Announces that due to events totally out of their control, Thing A that they totally expected to happen in the set isn't happening, and instead Thing B will be happening, and that Thing B is actually way better.

16) The rest of the cards are spoiled.

17) A ton more buyouts happen.

18) hundreds of people use the words "gouging" and "scalping" incorrectly in posts all over the internet.

19) WotC announces a change to the way Standard rotates. They assure us that they won't be changing it again, and this way is much much better than any other way that has been done before.

20) The set is released on Arena, and is declared to be either be the greatest drafting set ever, or the worst drafting set ever.

21) Walmart and Target "accidentally" begin selling the set.

22) WotC begins selling on Amazon.

23) WotC's retail support crew begins assuring people that Walmart and Target have literally never been allowed to sell product early, and will be severely punished for doing so.

24) WotC makes a confusing announcement about which products WPN stores are allowed to sell, how much, and why, except instead of using numbers, they send it out in code.

25) WotC sends out a confusing email with no fewer than 3 mistakes in it, clarifying their announcement in #23.

26) The prerelease happens.

27) Your local game store is finally allowed to sell the product.

28) UltraPRO playmats arrive, and we finally know what art is on them.

29) [REDACTED BY AN NDA I DIDN'T READ PROPERLY OR KEEP A COPY OF...)

30) Restart the process for the next set about 8 days after the current set releases.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

teppichporsche posted:

Didn’t people complain that MH1 was too weak?

Elvis_Maximus posted:

Yeah I agree with this, there's a lot of really cool cards that MH created and reprinted. One of my pet modern decks is enchantress and it's entirely enabled by the mh2 printings

But the mega pushed rares and mythics are just so incredibly strong that it really feels like a huge problem in every 4x format where they're legal. At the very least in modern I guess, I imagine legacy isn't as affected.

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

I like to check out Nizzahon on youtube, he'll pick a category and rank the top 10 cards in it based on how many times they showed up in top 8 tournament decks, 1 point for each deck and 2 if the deck won the tournament. When he did Prophecy the top card was Chineric Idol with 17 points.