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boop the snoot posted:They’ll start denying admission to people with pre-existing conditions. ......bullets in them before they get to school, or...?
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psydude posted:If we arm everyone in the school, we can get the average number of kids killed per mass shooting to under 10, I'm sure of it. https://vimeo.com/342775502
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davecrazy posted:The CTE candidate. This may doxx me a bit if someone really wanted to try, but gently caress it: Story Time. I got sent to a drug rehab program in Texas while on Active Duty because my leadership let the med group folks convince them I was abusing pain pills. Mind you, I was straight up not taking the pain pills, and it wasn’t in my urinalysis- I digress. This is a 30 day in patient military only program at a civilian facility. They work with both addiction and other mental health issues (lotta PTSD). The program and facility were a poo poo show. I needed to be in there for PTSD and Bipolar maybe, but not addiction. Fast forward a few weeks and we’re told we’re gonna get a visit from a VIP and get hyped. Most of the dudes thought it would be an MMA fighter or some poo poo. I couldn’t have cared less. The VIP was none other than Mr. Walker, who was barely coherent and jumping between affects so fast it wasn’t even funny. Just him rambling about having multiple personalities and being nuts and how the program there saved his life. Future senator, folks.
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Nephzinho posted:Making everyone who purchases a firearm also carry around a tesla battery would stop a few mass shootings. Railgun/raygun time!
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davecrazy posted:The CTE candidate. 68% of the vote in the primary.
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The New York Times is reporting that the gunman was inside the school for over an hour before a border patrol unit went in. What the actual gently caress.
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fknlo posted:The New York Times is reporting that the gunman was inside the school for over an hour before a border patrol unit went in. They've made a clusterfuck of the timeline and are actively contradicting each other. https://twitter.com/misstessowen/status/1529568030862327813 Response: uh it took an hour https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1529529909571461121 WaPo posted:UVALDE, Tex. — Javier Cazares was on an errand a half-mile away from his 9-year-old daughter’s elementary school when heard about a commotion near the school. WaPo Again posted:Uvalde school police officer ‘engaged’ gunman and was shot, DPS says It's hosed.
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May 25, 2022 23:37
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It's starting to sound like there's shared responsibility for the death in that classroom.
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May 25, 2022 23:46
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Letting an active shooter barricade himself at the target location for a goddamn hour goes against every lesson learned since Columbine. As far as I’m concerned every cop on scene can share a cell next to the coward SRO at Parkland. The gently caress were they doing, tailgating behind an MRAP?
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A.o.D. posted:It's starting to sound like there's shared responsibility for the death in that classroom. Its almost like the cops are useless or something
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fknlo posted:The New York Times is reporting that the gunman was inside the school for over an hour before a border patrol unit went in. So conceivably he entered the school and committed (all?) the murders, then sat and waited? The article said the shootings were limited to one classroom. The teacher was probably the first to be killed, the kids would’ve panicked and piled into a corner together for the most part. Without the “active” shooting going on the mindset/policy/training has said it’s now a “hostage situation” and they presumably approached it as such. Were they unaware that all the children had been shot? Were they thinking there were surviving hostages? These will be answered or not as the whole story solidifies. Or at least that’s how I read the article and rectify it with what I saw and learned in training. ***As far as the shooter-There’s no way to stop this stuff imo entirely. But- You can mitigate and reduce. Columbine happened during the AWB that expired in 2004. They used a pistol(tec9) a sawed off shotgun and a pump shotgun iirc. They would’ve killed way more if they’d have had ARs. Availability too. This rear end in a top hat might’ve been able to get a gun illegally but if he’d had to wait til 21 then had a background I’d bet that he’d have maybe gotten into (legal) trouble that could’ve precluded him passing a background check. Or he could be like the Vegas guy and have a mostly clean nose his whole life. Hi-caps def make this stuff worse. I think 2004 was a turning point in “gun culture” and for the worse. I remember who and what you saw on the range was way different and as the years went by you saw more of the “black rifle” crowd. In 2003 somebody might have an AR or AK with grandfathered preban mags but it was rare. Lotsa surplus stuff, or .22 rifles. Now at the range sometimes it’s all a bunch of yahoos blasting away with more efficient, and effective weapons. And the need for everything to be more and more lethal. The optics craze currently kinda sketches me out. The primary use of red dots and that is making it easier to shoot faster and more accurately with less training IMO. Now pistol optics are becoming more prevalent. Laws vary too much state by state. In WA state I can’t buy a semi auto .22 rifle without an enhanced waiting period and a safety class. But I can buy a stripped AR reciever ($60 at a gun shop, get it same day, transfers like a shotgun) and a kit online for sub $400 bucks and put it together in sub 30 minutes using a YouTube video for guidance. For extra fun get the “pistol kit” and have something that fits in a small gym bag. Ten 30 round mags cost about 100 bucks ish. 6 dollars for 20 5.56 rounds. Can load all ten for about $90 bucks. Guess what, the reciever can transfer to anyone 18 and older with a 4473 form(which is the ATF form). So anyone 18 plus who hasn’t been arrested/convicted for a felony or DV can have 300 rounds in a “murder setup” ready to go in under a few days.   
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We lucked out that the Vegas guy was very, very dumb. As bad as it was it could have been worse. Ypres worse. edit: In other news, I saw a guy wearing a gold oakleaf cluster on his collar today. My first thought was "wow, he looks young." I died a little bit the moment I realized what that meant. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 00:12 on May 26, 2022 |
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Does anyone have a good article on media contagion? I'm finding it hard to believe that it wouldn't be a factor in this given that there was a huge amount of reporting on the last two mass shootings just days before.
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That Works posted:Does anyone have a good article on media contagion? I'm finding it hard to believe that it wouldn't be a factor in this given that there was a huge amount of reporting on the last two mass shootings just days before. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207247/ https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion
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An interesting argument discussed for a bit of today was discussing if publishing pictures of the school shooting carnage would help anything. The general pro argument was that it was a lot like the early days of COVID - the world believed there was a problem in a hurry when the images started coming out of the slammed Italian hospitals. Pictures of the wreckage could shock people into opinion changes, like those COVID dispatches did. The general (and winning) con argument is that people will immediately beat off to that, the pictures will never leave the internet, and InfoWarsians will harass the parents for posting fake murder pictures of their kids. After all, little Suzie's upper lip is .5 inches too long in the "death" photo, so it's time to protest her communist mother's house for being involved in a false flag gun-grabbing op.
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May 26, 2022 00:42
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facialimpediment posted:An interesting argument discussed for a bit of today was discussing if publishing pictures of the school shooting carnage would help anything. I brought this up and I don't think it would do anything at this point. Maybe after Columbine, but not now.
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May 26, 2022 00:48
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"It's a mental health problem!" "Then let's fund health care." "gently caress you, bootstraps. I'm not paying more in taxes so you can get suboxone!" "What if we cut defense-" "YOU GODLESS loving COMMIE! YOU'RE THE REASON JOE BIDEN JOINED THE TALIBAN" If that would have happened after Columbine, it might have worked- might have. But that was also the days of ogrish and poo poo, so it's understandable why it never happened.
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May 26, 2022 00:54
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show the gruesome images of the murders to congress members. plaster them up all over the capitol. make them see every single dead body that is the result of their continuing inaction. for the general populace? nah.
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Zamujasa posted:show the gruesome images of the murders to congress members. plaster them up all over the capitol. make them see every single dead body that is the result of their continuing inaction. And then their corporate stipend comes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D6LPq0TYvo
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Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. https://twitter.com/Hamptonyount/status/1529496088306061312?t=gfSCv2JvxJ2qzrIwDH8OyQ&s=19
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Zamujasa posted:show the gruesome images of the murders to congress members. plaster them up all over the capitol. make them see every single dead body that is the result of their continuing inaction. Manifesting a Black Mirror episode where someone buys 100s of ads on the DC Metro to do this and every one of them is sandwiched between defense contractor flyers bulletsponge13 posted:Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. where have you been for the last 5 years shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 01:28 on May 26, 2022 |
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facialimpediment posted:They've made a clusterfuck of the timeline and are actively contradicting each other. https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1529598979859685379
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bulletsponge13 posted:Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. Like, you'd actually see this before any sort of new restrictions on gun ownership get passed and survive the supreme court.
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Amazing if true these brave, quick thinking officers isolated the threat to one room full of children
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bulletsponge13 posted:Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. https://old.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/ux3q6x/reduce_school_shootings_abolish_public_schools/
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bulletsponge13 posted:Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. You loving joke but... https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/1529459086152110082
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May 26, 2022 01:46
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Someone needs to look up how much the police department had received in training and equipment grants because they sure as poo poo didn’t put any of it to use at all. Police themselves are making the single biggest argument for defunding the police.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Somewhere a GOP operative is thinking how to pitch this. https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1529241178956242951
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stealie72 posted:40% of the towns budget... Parasites.
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ASAPI posted:This tweet was from 2015, but I get your point. The point is to kick the can down the road, same as on environmental issues. You suggest a policy that no one in a millions years would ever go for, and hold it up as the only solution.
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20 years ago this would have been an inspiring courageous step forward. Now it's a horrifying indicator of backsliding democracy. https://twitter.com/mattxiv/status/1529181072931659777
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I'm thinking WaPo's account is the correct one and more or less explains everything. https://twitter.com/PeterFinnWP/status/1529645391809064961?t=AzT0__IyPYiYEpAadAzTXw&s=19 WaPo posted:One lingering question is when exactly the shooting began. Authorities agree that the gunman was dead by 1 p.m. but have offered conflicting accounts as to whether the attack began around 11:30 a.m. or closer to noon. By 11:43 a.m., the school announced on Facebook that it was under lockdown, citing gunshots in the area. “The students and staff are safe in the building,” it said. So what likely happened is: gunman parks/crashes, then starts a shootout with the school officer. Two local cops show up, then they get into a shootout. Then the gunman gets into a classroom and... probably doesn't do anything for a while! And all hell breaks loose, as you'd think. At that point, the local police likely thought they were in a standoff/hostage situation versus a roaming shooter. So rather than rush everyone like we all thought they should - they likely feared that rushing in would make him kill everyone. But then he killed everyone anyways so welp  Edit: I'm really thinking that explains the local police's response and bystanders' "what the gently caress are they doing, go it!" standpoints. Local police thought it was a hostage situation, not Columbine. Or, they were making what the sports world would call a "business decision" and turned chickenshit. https://twitter.com/RobTornoe/status/1529650693774233602?t=hymSUJMFC0cw0sV-o9ZFsg&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 03:40 on May 26, 2022 |
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1529540147284480001?t=9wirL1ZdX6nAswtAoRC9iw&s=19 oh poo poo i remember this lady lmfao
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yeah the great thing about the WaPo account is it was already repeatedly contradicted by Texas DPS but I guess we can just keep running the same story line for 16 hours if it makes the cops not look like they let a shooter into a school, locked him in a room full of kids and then spent the next hour once again doing gently caress all while kids are getting slaughtered
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If only the school had *checks notes* FOUR good guys with guns... That will prevent it!
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Someone needs to look up how much the police department had received in training and equipment grants because they sure as poo poo didn’t put any of it to use at all. In 2021, the training and travel for 40 police officers and 17 dispatchers/clerks/etc reached an estimated total of.... $7,600. Source: https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/finance_department.php#outer-9 Edit: The 40% figure is a pretty accurate one however, most of it ($2.56 mil) goes to salaries. With 57 total employees, they're making an average of $45,000 each. There's some overtime, but the department shared $108,000 of it, so with overtime pulling about $47,000 each on average. The city seems to fund basically nothing but police, government, one Fire Marshal, three fire fighters and supplies for 40 volunteer fire fighters. piL fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 26, 2022 |
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Proud Christian Mom posted:yeah the great thing about the WaPo account is it was already repeatedly contradicted by Texas DPS but I guess we can just keep running the same story line for 16 hours if it makes the cops not look like they let a shooter into a school, locked him in a room full of kids and then spent the next hour once again doing gently caress all while kids are getting slaughtered Look, I'm not Team Cop here, no matter which route, they hosed up. And the AP / local eyewitnesses are even mentioning that cops might have been going into specific areas of the school JUST TO GET THEIR OWN KIDS OUT. But like I mentioned earlier, Texas DPS, the Governor, local eyewitnesses, and all the other sources are contradicting themselves like crazy. WaPo did the work and did their best to piece together everything from all the sources and figure out what makes sense and what doesn't. It's my interpretation that the local cops thought they had a hostage situation since nothing appears to have happened for a long, long time after the second firefight. Edit: The AP version, which again has the big question about how long the shooter was in that room (and lol that Border Patrol needed a classroom key): quote:Minutes earlier, Carranza had watched as Salvador Ramos crashed his truck into a ditch outside the school, grabbed his AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle and shot at two people outside a nearby funeral home who ran away uninjured. Edit2: or more succinctly https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/1529490125842964481 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 03:58 on May 26, 2022 |
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facialimpediment posted:I'm thinking WaPo's account is the correct one and more or less explains everything. Their cowardice kept them from prosecuting the target. Then, against all common sense and training, they let him do a Pulse speed run at recess. I'm sure I will catch flak for saying this. I'll take it. "You're in the fight until you're not in the fight." When that is, is up to you. It just seems that when it's a cop on the line, they have no problem zerg swarming a black guy, but when it's kids, they rarely seem to have the heart to fight. If you aren't willing to ride when the trail is rough, you shouldn't strap on the steel. I will also admit that I get a little heated at this poo poo. Every single time, cops sit outside. Push the loving target. gently caress. I think every cop should be forced to see the crime scene photos. The last picture could be a mirror, saying YOU could prevent this.
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