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Yeah, considering the Taiwanese strait is 180km, you can why later systems are such a big concerned for Taipei and the West. China could continually bombard Taiwan without having to sail ship or fly a plane over, and there is no way for a Patriot or other ABM system to handle that type of volume.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, considering the Taiwanese strait is 180km, you can why later systems are such a big concerned for Taipei and the West. China could continually bombard Taiwan without having to sail ship or fly a plane over, and there is no way for a Patriot or other ABM system to handle that type of volume. I thought the farthest artillery could hit was like 160km
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rocket artillery has a much longer range since the ammunition is still propelled after it leaves the tube
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indigi posted:I thought the farthest artillery could hit was like 160km
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Cerebral Bore posted:rocket artillery has a much longer range since the ammunition is still propelled after it leaves the tube that’s cheating imo. that’s just a rocket
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indigi posted:I thought the farthest artillery could hit was like 160km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Babylon we should have let him do it
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in Blue Remembered Earth there’s a railgun in Kenya that runs up Kilimanjaro that shoots mirrored payloads into orbit using laser assists. that seems cool in On the Steel Breeze they use it to launch people into space to escape… something I forget but one gets shot down because it threatens to impact one of the super tall towers the ocean civilization has built
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indigi posted:that’s cheating imo. that’s just a rocket cope
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indigi posted:I thought the farthest artillery could hit was like 160km Yeah, the newest Chinese MRLS systems can go up to 220-360km depending on the configuration, obviously, the rockets are going to have to be a lot larger but at the same time China has easily the ability to mass-produce them. Also, China has a bunch of SRBM systems like Russia.
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The new XM5 rifle apparently weighs 5kg fully loaded and is supposed to replace the in service m16/m4 rifles while being incompatible with the current service round (5.56mm). Someone at SIG won a contract for the history books dang.
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Danann posted:The new XM5 rifle apparently weighs 5kg fully loaded and is supposed to replace the in service m16/m4 rifles while being incompatible with the current service round (5.56mm). Someone at SIG won a contract for the history books dang. 5kg is heavier than the mass of a mosin according to wiki. MBRs are back bb also, ive read through this whole thread and noone has pointed out that the US & allied militaries have the most decisive weapon - the javelin. its all over commies, go back to quacking in your cope cage!!! its unfortunate they cost more than the tanks tho
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An AKM with wooden furniture is a pound lighter.
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quote:SAAMI, the organization that standardizes cartridges, recommends that no cartridge goes above 65,000 PSI — even big boys like .338 Lapua Magnum only run about 60k. its f22 - the rifle
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Yeah, supposedly it also has a massive kick and it is hard to keep on target, a lot of the weight is just probably a heavy receiver to absorb recoil.
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the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well someone at SIG is getting a hell of a bonus this year
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Wheeee posted:the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well so that's what, $0.5 million for each brown people killed
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Palladium posted:so that's what, $0.5 million for each brown people killed is that too rich for your blood? you gotta spend money to make money.
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Wheeee posted:the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well i tried to find this number with a brief search, that is hilarious. forget the f22, this feels more like a navy fuckup: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23738/uss-zumwalt-ammo-too-expensive/ peaceniks in the defense industry making war too expensive to bother fighting
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Wheeee posted:the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well What the hell are you doing soldier? That clip had $120 worth of ammo in it! What do you think this is a shooting gallery?
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i have to assume the goal is to build some prototypes, make a small production run, and then get the whole thing killed while it was still profitable before anyone really needs it for something like WW3, shortly.
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Wheeee posted:the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well you can mail order the new fancy ammo for $1.50/round (5.56 is 45 cents) https://ammoseek.com/ammo/277-fury
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Griz posted:you can mail order the new fancy ammo for $1.50/round (5.56 is 45 cents) factor of 3 in pricing seems reasonable compared to a more ubiquitous round. thats still plenty to pick away at the budget i just found out about their replacement rifle efforts tonight, and this is hilarious. maybe it doesn't look as silly from the militaries point of view? maybe they'll force 6.8 to be as common as 223/556 moving forward. id be willing to guess they'll start finding all the fun corner failure cases with their insane case pressures when they start ramping up volumes and trying to drive costs down 
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it'll suck and get rejected after a decade of failed trials, just like every other attempt to make a new supergun
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no one is making a better mechanical watch, or a better shovel. I think we already made the best possible guns 80 years ago
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Rutibex posted:no one is making a better mechanical watch, or a better shovel. I think we already made the best possible guns 80 years ago I’m not a watch guy and a good watch is one that can tell to me but these are really nice looking imo. it’s the most complicated watch of all time and it came out in 2015. I had to write about it in a listicle at the time.  https://watchesbysjx.com/2015/09/ex...plications.html
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Griz posted:you can mail order the new fancy ammo for $1.50/round (5.56 is 45 cents) that's the basic all-brass cartridge stuff with considerably lower muzzle energy the real poo poo is considerably more actual military ammo isn't available to consumers at this time either so who knows how much that costs; the rifle itself is $8k for civilian purchase right now Rutibex posted:no one is making a better mechanical watch, or a better shovel. I think we already made the best possible guns 80 years ago mechanical watches have gotten better over time, and there's crazy poo poo like Seiko's spring drive modern guns are lighter, more reliable, more accurate, have higher capacities, better ballistics, etc Wheeee has issued a correction as of 09:46 on May 27, 2022 |
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Delta-Wye posted:
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Danann posted:The new XM5 rifle apparently weighs 5kg fully loaded and is supposed to replace the in service m16/m4 rifles while being incompatible with the current service round (5.56mm). Someone at SIG won a contract for the history books dang. Lol the US military is trying to invent Boltguns
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the us army realized they need a more powerful general use round for their future proxy wars with russia and china where their targets have actual body armor
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Wheeee posted:the us army realized they need a more powerful general use round for their future proxy wars with russia and china where their targets have actual body armor I don't think that kind of course correction is going to help in the short or long term.
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Delta-Wye posted:
we're at the point where people shoot anti tank missiles at bunkers to kill the one or two guys inside it in every war now i don't think expense is that much of a hindrance sadly
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they're gonna drop that new gun because of the weight like the M14 and L85 before it
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Wheeee posted:
I've never heard of ammo casing that has steel, copper and aluminum parts together before sounds like it'd be insanely expensive to produce
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Filthy Hans posted:I've never heard of ammo casing that has steel, copper and aluminum parts together before will those metals react and rust if the ammo gets wet in the field?
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Real hurthling! posted:will those metals react and rust if the ammo gets wet in the field? I’ve never studied chemistry. what happens if you dump vinegar on all that?
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Filthy Hans posted:
 The point is to make the price higher so there's more room to skim off the top. American corruption is about making things as expensive as possible so that the correct people can all wet their beaks. Constant this with Russian corruption where lower level people just take poo poo and sell it. Also has a bonus of making sure only the elite class gets to skim and cuts out any rank and file with their mickey mouse pilfering schemes.
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skooma512 posted:they're gonna drop that new gun because of the weight like the M14 and L85 before it mmm? The L85 is only used by the British army and is still in service with no plans to replace it. Or is this some other L85?
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