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Zamujasa posted:<[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01112007
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 I don’t think I can stress enough, what absolute cowards those officers are, total loving cowards and scum.* They should live the rest of their lives in contrition and shame. They should also be fired as soon as possible. Rebuild the department if you have too. Obviously lots of criminal prosecutions. Also to the people who think that, “phew guns are excused” (and you bet those people exist and many more just don’t say it loudly). Even with the absolute loving incompetent nature of Texas police, it wouldn’t be nearly as high if he didn’t have an AR. Also you should stare at this picture every time you feel sanctimonious about “my rights.” I should note I don’t mean to apply that universally to gun owners, but a large segment of them. *With the apparent exclusion of Border Patrol… which is really weird to type. I still have no idea for certain, what just broke me about guns this time vs others, probably a mix of shifting interests (which can be funded by selling guns), but probably even more that my daughter is the same age and grade as those kids. I know that is a poo poo reason to wait so long, but you’ll be surprised just how long one can delude themselves with counter arguments. It’s not good in the long term for ones mind.
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May 28, 2022 18:10
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Maybe what pisses me off the most is all the 2A supporters living their fantasies about how guns will protect us all, and railing against gun laws while innocent children and adults die. It doesn't really matter to me whether the shooter is sane or not, it matters that easily available guns are a foundational factor in these massacres. gently caress Trump, the NRA, and all the rabid 2A freaks.
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May 28, 2022 18:20
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Cops that won't persecute a target giving the excuse he had an AR won't persecute if target has a handgun, type of gun is irrelevant hth Maybe if he had something managebale like a wallet or maybe a candy bar it would be different
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May 28, 2022 18:23
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One of the most dishonest thing gun owners like to do is post all their tactical accoutrements that optimize their AR or whatever for combat or timed sports shooting (hell, I own that stuff too!), but then suddenly play dumb and pretend none of that applies when used for mass shooting and arguing that a mass shooter using an old revolver or levergun is literally the same. It’s so dumb and obvious.
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May 28, 2022 18:24
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Maybe what pisses me off the most is all the 2A supporters living their fantasies about how guns will protect us all, and railing against gun laws while innocent children and adults die. It doesn't really matter to me whether the shooter is sane or not, it matters that easily available guns are a foundational factor in these massacres. gently caress Trump, the NRA, and all the rabid 2A freaks.  Honestly the best thing is establishing a federal licensing regime, similar to Canadian categories (which changes for American law) and honestly you should need a Federal Collectors License (with stringent, but fair and non discriminatory requirements)* to own anything semi auto even in 22lr and you should only be able to use it in one’s home or at allowed ranges. You’ll never be able to ban stuff and unless the Supreme Court gets a spine for their upcoming carry/gun case. Also they should amend the GCA to include extremist group membership as a reason for a person to be prohibited too. *Similar, but more broad and stringent then a C&R license. I don’t mind trustworthy people those legitimately interested in the engineering or history to own and study firearms. But Mr. Let’s Go Brandon or Stars and Bars may kindly get hosed into the immaterium and the warp. Edit: I’m agreeing with Mlmp08 on guns, truly these are the end times. 
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May 28, 2022 18:26
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Here's a thread about how Uvalde police department's training on a situation like what just happened clearly states "your job is to neutralize the threat to innocent children, even at the risk of your own life. Don't wait to form a tacticool assault team, just go in, even if it's just one cop with a pistol, you go in." https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1530357140191186944
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May 28, 2022 18:40
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McNally posted:Here's a thread about how Uvalde police department's training on a situation like what just happened clearly states "your job is to neutralize the threat to innocent children, even at the risk of your own life. Don't wait to form a tacticool assault team, just go in, even if it's just one cop with a pistol, you go in." As a part of EMS, I have participated in these trainings with two police departments when I was working in two districts. Cops escort us into the warm zone, a staging area in the building, as they have Hunter-Killer teams looking for the shooter, and a group stays with us as force protection. Cops who follow the hunter killers bring injured back to us until the threat is dead. I’ve also responded to active shooter scenes, one of them in a homeless camp in the woods, where a couple cops waved us in. When we asked if the scene was secure, they said no, but we’ll go in as force protection. We donned out body armor and hustled with them to the guy who was shot. What I’m saying is, if I was EMS on this scene, I’d be loving apoplectic. gently caress these guys.
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May 28, 2022 18:54
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Edit: I’m agreeing with Mlmp08 on guns, truly these are the end times. It's not even that I'm out advocating gun control, it's just a thing that factors on my voting and support almost 0%. There's like... zero politicians in my area who are all rah rah guns who aren't just pieces of poo poo otherwise, so I'm not going to vote for anti-choice weirdos who think covid is fake just because they say that gun rights are absolute. I'll keep guns while I can legally keep them, if someday I can't, oh well, that's the breaks, I'm not gonna armed resist the state over it, seems a bad idea. I keep the guns knowing statistically that they don't make me any safer, but I try to mitigate that risk by keeping them locked up in a metal cabinet when not in active use.
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May 28, 2022 18:54
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Okay, so 19 officers and the entire chains of command for those officers should be fired with cause. Good to know. Anyy officers that attempt to strike, or take sick days, or show solidarity should also be relieved.
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May 28, 2022 18:56
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I own a shotgun and I plan on purchasing a pistol in the near future. I enjoy shooting for fun, and living in the boonies I don’t like coyotes taking out my chickens or loving with my dog. Additionally, the rightward swing of this country gives me the heebie-jeebies. If I have to give those up because the law changes, I don’t give a gently caress and I’d celebrate it
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May 28, 2022 18:57
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Remember like a year ago when some school district in Missouri? practiced a school shooter drill and they spent like an entire day mock executing teachers with airsoft guns?
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May 28, 2022 19:03
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McNally posted:Here's a thread about how Uvalde police department's training on a situation like what just happened clearly states "your job is to neutralize the threat to innocent children, even at the risk of your own life. Don't wait to form a tacticool assault team, just go in, even if it's just one cop with a pistol, you go in." JFC. Cowards, all of them.
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May 28, 2022 19:04
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Remember like a year ago when some school district in Missouri? practiced a school shooter drill and they spent like an entire day mock executing teachers with airsoft guns? Yeah, and I’m glad that’s not how any of the drills I have participated in (again, as EMS response) were run. That’s just some hosed up fanfic that doesn’t train anyone. Edit - Besides, as lovely as it is, as we have seen it’s the kids who get the emotional response and are the target.
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May 28, 2022 19:05
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:JFC. Cowards, all of them. https://twitter.com/MeatballNonner/status/1530367350297759746?s=20&t=5HFSjZhjPsn1RdjCUYYZCw
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May 28, 2022 19:05
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https://www.thebeaverton.com/2022/05/uvalde-police-promise-that-with-more-funding-they-will-be-able-to-wait-even-longer-in-parking-lots/
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May 28, 2022 19:07
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Remember like a year ago when some school district in Missouri? practiced a school shooter drill and they spent like an entire day mock executing teachers with airsoft guns? Feels like it's happened a few times. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2020/08/25/teachers-sue-sheriffs-department-over-active-shooter-training-drill/5625311002/
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May 28, 2022 19:08
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Marshal Prolapse posted:
I've been trying to think of legislative solutions that will truly cut down on gun crime. I'm a gun owner, but not a fetishist, and recognize that we have to do something. Even if polling for another AWB is higher right now, it seems like the appetite for actually implementing one will quickly fade if precedent is any guide (a sentence that made my stomach turn as I typed out the word "precedent.") I think that banning classes of firearms is going to be a political non-starter and that the current SCOTUS would be extremely unlikely to uphold any additional restrictions on firearms. So with that, I would think that the best way forward would be aimed at keeping weapons out of dangerous people's hands and making it easier for them to be removed, to wit: 1. UBC. Make all firearms transactions go through an FFL, and have the federal government pay the transfer fee. It'll be more difficult for a prohibited person to acquire a firearm, and if the government subsidizes it, it won't be a de facto poll tax that prohibits people with lower incomes from firearms ownership. 2. Expand ERPOs/"red flag" laws. Federalize them and put them into place in every state, county and town. Make it a severe crime to fraudulently report someone (a la "swatting") and hold so-called "constitutional sheriffs" who say they won't act on an ERPO to account by making them criminally liable if they fail to take action and their department civilly liable if a crime of violence happens because of their inaction. Provide a clear path to redress, subsidized by the federal government, that codifies how people can get seized firearms back as so to minimize the risk that this could turn into politically-targeted confiscation. 3. Raise the age of firearms ownership to at least 21 or gently caress it, 25. Developing brains have less impulse control or recognition of consequences. Recognizing that subsistence hunting is a thing and that there is a not-insignificant number of people who may depend on a teenager hunting to help put food on the table, issue them some sort of permit for bolt-action hunting rifles/pump-action shotguns akin to a learner's permit. 4. Properly fund and empower prosecutors to go after straw purchasers. This is not nearly prosecuted enough, and would do a lot to cut down on illicit interstate firearms trafficking. 5. Ban 80% lowers. This isn't a hobbyist thing, it's just a way to dodge UBC. Ultimately though, we absolutely need to reconfigure society. Health care- including mental health care- is unaffordable for most everyone. Parental leave and support is non-existent unless you have a good job that guarantees it. The US is a plutocracy where the rich have absolutely gutted our social safety net, and turned us against each other as most of the country fights each other for scraps. College is unaffordable for many people without taking out exorbitant student loans that shackles them to debt early. The justice system has become a revenue-generating institution of its own by endless "quality of life" citations, court costs and the stigma of a criminal record further depressing people's life prospects. Our legislative system is undemocratic and leaves millions of people without proportional electoral representation and favors a handful of so-called swing states as the ultimate arbiters of domestic policy. Our media landscape promotes- unintentionally in some ways, deliberately in others- incitement, racism, bigotry and violence as the ultimate solution, and has led to people developing their own bifurcated sense of reality and those who don't conform to it as "the enemy." The stuff I outlined above may help cut down on certain types of firearms crime, but without addressing our sick country, the roots of violence, civil conflict and stochastic domestic terrorism are always going to be there and are only going to get worse in years to come. And that's the poo poo I don't know how to fix, and I also don't know if the country is capable of it.
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May 28, 2022 19:08
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If we are going to make the age 21, you aren't an adult until 21. No voting, no enlisting. You are a child until 21. This incident is exactly why I carry my kit.
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May 28, 2022 19:14
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bulletsponge13 posted:If we are going to make the age 21, you aren't an adult until 21. No voting, no enlisting. You are a child until 21. Why? Voting at 18 is explicitly written into the US constitution.
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May 28, 2022 19:16
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mlmp08 posted:Why? Voting at 18 is explicitly written into the US constitution. Because you can't have a split age of majority. Either your an adult at 18, or an adult at 21 If your brain isn't capable of making adult decisions at 18- which is implied by making rights tied to 21- then you aren't mature enough to make adult decisions. Which means you cannot give informed consent to enlist, and you are not mature enough to be a full member of society.
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May 28, 2022 19:25
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People shouldn't be able to enlist or buy guns until 24
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May 28, 2022 19:26
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pantslesswithwolves posted:
Before we even approach abuse of it, this is why it will never happen. Probably the easiest way to determine whether someone should own a gun is a history of their action towards women and it'd disqualify a hilariously large amount of gun owners, particularly cops and veterans. poo poo, the entire constitutional carry movement is basically cover for dudes who wanted to CHL but can't because of DV convictions.
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bulletsponge13 posted:If we are going to make the age 21, you aren't an adult until 21. No voting, no enlisting. You are a child until 21. And this is something that I struggle with because I also believe that the voting age should be lowered and that teenagers should be able to have full reproductive rights. I also realize that this also has the potential to veer into gross conversations about the age of consent for sexual activity as well. Whether it's driving a car, which are becoming larger, heavier and more dangerous each year, acquiring firearms or enlisting in the military- all of which carry high risks of accidental, intentional or impulsive deaths- teenage children are given a lot of responsibility for life and death choices while they're still figuring out and learning a lot of stuff. Edit: and yeah, every time there's one of these shootings and I go out in public, I carry some medical equipment with me in case there's a copycat incident. I have a small ankle IFAK that holds a TQ, emergency trauma dressing and chest seals, and I purposefully wore it when I went to the movie theater with friends for the first time since 2019. Man, I fuckin' hate this poo poo. pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 19:34 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 19:32
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McNally posted:Here's a thread about how Uvalde police department's training on a situation like what just happened clearly states "your job is to neutralize the threat to innocent children, even at the risk of your own life. Don't wait to form a tacticool assault team, just go in, even if it's just one cop with a pistol, you go in." https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1530359318658174976?t=83_Td72e4BKpe_yIqQyNbg&s=19 This, right here, is it. If you're not willing to put your life on the line for children, you should gently caress off and find another job. Even the local cops there should've immediately disregarded what the Incident Commander said (to wait because (EDIT) The IC mistakenly thought that it turned from an active shooter event to a barricaded subject event, which have completely different tactics and SOPs for). It doesn't matter if they might get fired for insubordination, someone higher up gives you an order that is against SOP, when lives are on the line, you disregard that order to protect the public. You worry about the job later. It seems like the Uvalde Independent School District chief was the IC. Mother fucker should be tried and put in prison. Or worse. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 19:39
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bulletsponge13 posted:Because you can't have a split age of majority. Voting is enshrined by a year of age in the US Constitution. Drinking isn't. Firearm ownership isn't. Legally, this stuff can be and already is all kinds of split up. You also cannot legally adopt a child if you are only 20 years old in the US. Hell, in most states, you cannot even rent a car at age 18. Also you can get married under the age of 18 in the majority of US states. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 19:41
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Bored As gently caress posted:
Not to hand it to CBP as an institution but the agent that went in and stopped the shooter got scalped for it. You can see the picture of his hat and head in the link. The head injury is blurred, it just required some stiches. https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/26/images-show-injury-of-border-patrol-agent-who-exchanged-gunfire-with-uvalde-school-shooter/ Kudos to the guy for  ing the gently caress up.
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May 28, 2022 19:55
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Had to wait an hour for the tactical trucker hat off-duty unit to show up.
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May 28, 2022 19:56
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mlmp08 posted:Voting is enshrined by a year of age in the US Constitution. Drinking isn't. Firearm ownership isn't. Oh, it's totally hosed. The problem with lowering the voting age (which I don't see the difference between a 16 and 18 voting age) is that chucklefuck creeps are going to use that for the expected libertarian problem. I'm not saying that all aspects should be tied to age- it would be simple, but not work. But to me, if you use the argument of developmental brain biology, you need to apply it further to me. But I'm also a big angry gently caress who would rather slap everyone and then back off.
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May 28, 2022 19:56
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The US already decided handgun purchases are 21, suppressors are 21, etc. Picking and choosing ages is fully out of the legal bag on a variety of issues ranging from personal life to safety to contracts/finances.
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May 28, 2022 20:00
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bulletsponge13 posted:Because you can't have a split age of majority. This is nonsensical. Do you have an issue with being 14 to sue in court or have a job? 16 to drive a car? 25 to run for Congress? 35 for President? As kids get older, they're allowed more responsibility, that's what growing up is. Voting is just one of those responsibilities, saying that a kid has to be allowed to buy a gun if they're allowed to vote is spectacularly arbitrary.
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Some moron in D&D is unironically parroting the “well you can’t expect cops to risk their lives or act like operators if they’re going to get defunded” loving hell. Apparently you need to have 10 years in DEVGRU to risk a fight with an incel carrying an AR15 even if kids are dying. Last time I checked almost all patrol cops carry rifles, and all the cops I’ve seen pictures of tasing parents were at least individually as well equipped as the shooter. Everyone one of those cops besides the group that said “gently caress this” and did something deserves to be the star in an ISIS propaganda video. In Minecraft or whatever. Stultus Maximus posted:
Bad probes (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Wrong Theory posted:Not to hand it to CBP as an institution but the agent that went in and stopped the shooter got scalped for it. You can see the picture of his hat and head in the link. The head injury is blurred, it just required some stiches. Abolish ICE except for this dude.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This is nonsensical. Do you have an issue with being 14 to sue in court or have a job? 16 to drive a car? 25 to run for Congress? 35 for President? As kids get older, they're allowed more responsibility, that's what growing up is. Voting is just one of those responsibilities, saying that a kid has to be allowed to buy a gun if they're allowed to vote is spectacularly arbitrary. K. E- I think the current system makes just as much sense as mine. Either you're legally an adult or you aren't, not this half assed fuckery we have now. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 20:54 on May 28, 2022 |
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Wrong Theory posted:Not to hand it to CBP as an institution but the agent that went in and stopped the shooter got scalped for it. You can see the picture of his hat and head in the link. The head injury is blurred, it just required some stiches. Holy gently caress props to him for keeping his composure after getting grazed in the loving head with a rifle round
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This is what I understand of the timeline. So the call goes out that there is a school shooting, the agent is eating lunch and hears it on his radio. Gets in his car and drives 40 miles and links up with the cops on the scene in the hallway. Not sure how much time elapses between his arrival and the janitor unlocking the door, but he enters in a stack preceded by a ballistic shield, the shooter jumps out of the closet shooting, the agent nearly gets dome checked but manages to plug the shooter. Dude had to drive 40 miles to do the cops' jobs costing time and lives most likely. At least someone ended it.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Holy gently caress props to him for keeping his composure after getting grazed in the loving head with a rifle round 
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Bold prediction - this won't be the last mass shooting this year that cops don't act and let people needlessly die
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Platystemon posted:Cops won’t even be within a country mile of the school next time this happens. Statistically, a lot of them shouldn't be within 300 yards, anyway.
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Wrong Theory posted:This is what I understand of the timeline. So the call goes out that there is a school shooting, the agent is eating lunch and hears it on his radio. Gets in his car and drives 40 miles and links up with the cops on the scene in the hallway. Not sure how much time elapses between his arrival and the janitor unlocking the door, but he enters in a stack preceded by a ballistic shield, the shooter jumps out of the closet shooting, the agent nearly gets dome checked but manages to plug the shooter. Dude had to drive 40 miles to do the cops' jobs costing time and lives most likely. At least someone ended it. Believe he also waited on scene for a bit on top of that after the locals kept telling them to not go in before he realized they were just pissing their pants but it’s unclear in the reports if he’s was in the BORTAC team that was also arguing with the locals until they also finally decide to ignore the on scene commander and go in. So basically because of the locals even the guys who actually did something got delayed even further from taking action than they would have had the cops just walked away from the scene.
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