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Shumagorath posted:the little block on the back is illegal throughout the entire continent What is that thing, a switch so it can fire cyclic?
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May 28, 2022 02:00
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i have to wonder how much of the "flood of illegal guns" in toronto is just it probably being very easy to get poo poo across the border from the US for big money. we're dragged down by their poo poo.
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May 28, 2022 02:02
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Ban all semi autos this time
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May 28, 2022 02:11
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Mister Speaker posted:What is that thing, a switch so it can fire cyclic? Yes, makes it fire fully automatic. and I believe the government won't ban semi-autos as they need a wedge issue to campaign on next election season. Solving gun violence by banning a category of guns means they can't promise to ban more guns to fix it anymore. See the tepid C-71, C-21, the delayed May 1 OiC and the deferred Firearms marking regulations (deferred by the LPC and CPC since 2006a total of 12 times I believe)
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May 28, 2022 02:30
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Arivia posted:i have to wonder how much of the "flood of illegal guns" in toronto is just it probably being very easy to get poo poo across the border from the US for big money. we're dragged down by their poo poo.
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May 28, 2022 02:35
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A drone?! Holy poo poo it is astounding what those things can do
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May 28, 2022 02:56
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terrorist ambulance posted:Ban all semi autos this time
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May 28, 2022 02:56
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They'll never do this. There are lots and lots of Non-Restricted rifles and shotguns with semi-auto actions out there that people would just sit on until they wound up on the street. If you want to solve this problem, start with UBI and reforming your federal police force into something that isn't completely incompetent.
Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:12 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 03:04
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Yeah those shotguns are pretty effective in tight spaces with narrows hallways and easy to saw off to make even more effective and easy to conceal. The rifles are trivial to find or make extended mags for and be just as effective as the firearm used in Texas. Handguns have one use case, and its killing people. All semi auto actions Ban them all, if you want to hunt deer git gud and do it in one shot. If the argument is, oh people won't listen, ok fine then, why make any laws, just let psychos endlessly mow down people at schools and places of worship, gently caress it.
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May 28, 2022 03:08
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Shumagorath posted:It's 100% this. A couple weeks back they found a drone laden with prohibited handguns snagged on a tree near the border. Makes you wonder how many didn't get caught. Alright, I guess we'll just need to ban all firearms and drones too just to be safe. Obviously, drones with mounted handguns* will be quadruply illegal. *I think I first saw a video with one a decade ago or so so I assume YouTube is crawling with copycats by now.
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May 28, 2022 03:10
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terrorist ambulance posted:If the argument is, oh people won't listen, ok fine then, why make any laws, just let psychos endlessly mow down people at schools and places of worship, gently caress it. Ah, the COVID strategy.
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May 28, 2022 03:11
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terrorist ambulance posted:Yeah those shotguns are pretty effective in tight spaces with narrows hallways and easy to saw off to make even more effective and easy to conceal. The rifles are trivial to find or make extended mags for and be just as effective as the firearm used in Texas. Handguns have one use case, and its killing people. All semi auto actions Arivia posted:i have to wonder how much of the "flood of illegal guns" in toronto is just it probably being very easy to get poo poo across the border from the US for big money. we're dragged down by their poo poo. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:19 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 03:11
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That measures to limit the amount of firearms available to the public can't be effective in limiting the amount of firearms used to commit offences is something you can only believe if you've fantasized more than once about loving your favorite gun
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May 28, 2022 03:24
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Ban smoking?? Everyone smokes! They're addicted to it!! You expect them to stop because some LAW discourages them from it??
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May 28, 2022 03:25
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terrorist ambulance posted:That measures to limit the amount of firearms available to the public can't be effective in limiting the amount of firearms used to commit offences is something you can only believe if you've fantasized more than once about loving your favorite gun 
Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 03:56 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 03:36
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I mean at some point you should probably start enforcing the laws you already have instead of just making new ones.
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May 28, 2022 03:55
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Ya but then they'd actually be spending resources fixing a problem rather than lining their own pockets while pandering to idiots and that's not the Liberal way.
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May 28, 2022 03:59
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A fantastic thread from an Aussie that explains why there are so few massacres in their country, and it's not because John Howard personally beat them all into ploughshares https://twitter.com/Ozwobbly/status/1529707397916160000
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May 28, 2022 05:26
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Arivia posted:i have to wonder how much of the "flood of illegal guns" in toronto is just it probably being very easy to get poo poo across the border from the US for big money. we're dragged down by their poo poo. Exactly, doesn’t mean it’s not worth banning them here but it doesn’t mean much when a porous border is the only thing between us and 42% of the worlds civilian arsenal. Both Canada and Mexico (to a much greater extent) have paid the price for the US letting their defense industry go retail. Even if they banned guns tomorrow it’ll take generations to get to a point where the supply is low enough that we don’t have to worry about mass shootings. Depressing as hell to think about.
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May 28, 2022 06:05
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flakeloaf posted:A fantastic thread from an Aussie that explains why there are so few massacres in their country, and it's not because John Howard personally beat them all into ploughshares people won't listen to any of those laws, so don't bother
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May 28, 2022 06:06
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flakeloaf posted:A fantastic thread from an Aussie that explains why there are so few massacres in their country, and it's not because John Howard personally beat them all into ploughshares They also go over how this can't last due to cultural drift, etc. Laws require enforcement on some level and cops everywhere are not great at that.
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May 28, 2022 06:34
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That thread is mostly ok, but this particular talking point is getting really tired and tiresome: https://mobile.twitter.com/Ozwobbly/status/1529707534679830529 I'd need a lot more convincing to believe that law-abiding firearm owners are holding police in check (they're not l, because nobody is, they basically always get what they want and have no meaningful controls or oversight).
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May 28, 2022 12:01
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Yeah I can get on board with a decent amount of stuff there, but it's also a bit of tired arguments. Obviously yes, there should be many hoops to obtaining a gun and the storage rules are very important, but we can also ban guns too right. Like, we can do both things simultaneously, it's fine.
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May 28, 2022 12:45
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Won't somebody think of the poor cops
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May 28, 2022 13:24
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Gun people are the loving worst people. Can we start by banning them from this thread
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May 28, 2022 14:21
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Hobby shooting and hunting with firearms are allowed in countries with much stricter gun control than Canada, like Japan or South Korea; moaning about the poor hobbyist or the subsistence hunter is untethered from reality when it comes to implementing stricter gun control. Yes, it's very hard to get a gun in those countries, and their use is severely restricted. Good. I like the look of Japan's 0.02 deaths per 100,000 people due to firearms, and if you really, really want a gun, you can still have one provided you're willing to put in the work.
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May 28, 2022 14:39
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linoleum floors posted:Gun people are the loving worst people. Can we start by banning them from this thread Anyone who pipes up to um-actually about clips, “assault rifles” or other gun nerd poo poo needs to be shoved into a locker for the rest of eternity. Sometimes I think society just doesn’t bully the right hobbies enough.
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May 28, 2022 15:15
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This is the part in that thread that lost me: https://twitter.com/Ozwobbly/status/1529707424575148033 Weren't most of the mass shootings recently done with people who obtained the guns themselves legally, or had someone buy the firearms with the explicit intention of giving them to the shooter? This really reads like it's someone trying to deflect blame from how easy it is to obtain firearms than as an actual criticism. And then the thing spirals into a whole "But then only police would have guns!!!" argument where... if you took the firearms away from the people, then standard police wouldn't have a reason to carry firearms regularly anyways, and you can start focusing more on "De-escalation tactics" over "Well, we thought they might have been within 500 feet of a firearm at some point in the last decade, so we had to shoot them for our safety".
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May 28, 2022 15:15
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Randalor posted:This is the part in that thread that lost me:
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May 28, 2022 15:20
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Oxyclean posted:Anyone who pipes up to um-actually about clips, “assault rifles” or other gun nerd poo poo needs to be shoved into a locker for the rest of eternity. That's because we stopped bullying people in general  linoleum floors posted:Gun people are the loving worst people. Can we start by banning them from this thread Bans all Gans TIA 
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May 28, 2022 15:40
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Randalor posted:This is the part in that thread that lost me: I think part of it is that transportation rules like Australia and Canada help reinforce a different type of gun culture. We have guns, but they aren’t a part of everyday life for the vast majority of non-rural people. I dunno, I think the guy is just trying to get at why countries like Canada and Australia can have so many guns but so many fewer mass shooting events. It’s not because we’re better people, so there must be something else.
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May 28, 2022 16:57
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https://twitter.com/panagis21/status/1529506982885044226 Maybe if we keep not banning guns, we can make gun violence the number one killer of children here too!
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May 28, 2022 17:15
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Jordan7hm posted:I think part of it is that transportation rules like Australia and Canada help reinforce a different type of gun culture. We have guns, but they aren’t a part of everyday life for the vast majority of non-rural people. The culture is exactly the problem, but transportation and storage laws are insufficient steps for such a colossal issue. Ban all semi-autos is a much better policy (but of course good luck getting that past this Senate or Supreme Court)
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May 28, 2022 17:18
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Another Bill posted:https://twitter.com/panagis21/status/1529506982885044226 I think the other fun takeaway from charts like these is, what caused the massive downturn in motor vehicle crash fatalities? Could it have been... regulations?
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May 28, 2022 20:07
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Mister Speaker posted:Could it have been... regulations? While we’re regulating things to reduce unnecessary deaths, maybe a well regulated (and cheap/free) recreational drug supply would reduce the number of overdose deaths.
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May 28, 2022 20:14
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PittTheElder posted:The culture is exactly the problem, but transportation and storage laws are insufficient steps for such a colossal issue. No, the transportation and storage laws we have here are a major part of the differing cultures around guns. It's really hard to explain but in Canada and other countries with high ownership all the rules around storage, transportation and usage helps reinforce that gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. In the US it's totally hosed, you don't even need to get a license, let alone take a course. The Liberal gun laws are basically a microcosm of the party itself in that they are all very technically complicated, solves the wrong problem and have like a million loopholes
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May 28, 2022 20:41
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Mister Speaker posted:Could it have been... regulations? It just occurred to me I have spent my entire life being bombarded by Conservatives and their associated media that red tape and regulation are always bad for anything and everything. How do you even begin to combat that kind of programming that a whole generation has been subjected to?
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May 28, 2022 21:25
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As an example the May 1 OiC made after the Portapique shootings, made it illegal to transfer, acquire, possess certain newly prohibited firearms. It also made it illegal to transport the newly prohibited firearms with no exceptions. This made it so anyone who possessed a newly prohibited firearm that moved/changed their address from May 1 2020 until April 2022 was breaking the law, and it isn't a mens rea offense. The LPC also didn't consider it important enough to change the amnesty until it almost expired in April 2022, where it cast shade at gun owners blaming them for not handing in prohibited firearms. When the official government messaging is to wait for a gun buyback program. The LPC is awful at writing gun laws, and when they do they rather make it sound good than actually do anything. Furnaceface posted:It just occurred to me I have spent my entire life being bombarded by Conservatives and their associated media that red tape and regulation are always bad for anything and everything. Some regulations are poo poo, but some are necessary. I can pontificate a lot about how there's a lot of excessive red tape and regulations for some aspects of gun law done purely for optics and not because they actually do anything beyond waste everyone's time and money. ATT's, license renewals, and the FRT are some of them. Chillyrabbit fucked around with this message at 21:29 on May 28, 2022 |
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May 28, 2022 21:26
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Wasting people's time and money with guns is Good because it discourages people from getting guns
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May 28, 2022 21:43
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Alctel posted:No, the transportation and storage laws we have here are a major part of the differing cultures around guns. I've tried to bring up how things like storage regulations are such a low stakes "concession" that massively improve public safety, but apparently that's still a bridge too far because it's classist/racist to expect people to be able to afford some kind of lockbox for a piece of equipment that already costs at least a hundred bucks. Thing is, First Nations communities here seem to be a-ok with safe storage laws, to the point where there are communities that run their own voluntary storage programs that go above and beyond what's required by law. I don't know what it's like in other provinces but I wouldn't be surprised to see it being a thing elsewhere, and from the study that was done on it everyone was happy with how it turned out. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2012/jus/J3-7-1998-7-eng.pdf quote:
These completely voluntary programs cost way less than whatever the upcoming compensated confiscation will cost, and resulted in actual improvements in community safety. I have my issues with how firearm regulation is done, but it's definitely possible for legislation to exist that both increases public safety while also involving buy-in from firearm owners/users if it's not simply treated as a wedge issue to drive voters every couple of years. It's the people who think that any and all policy outside of complete deregulation until all "root causes" are fixed first are the ones who should get the side-eye, in my experience. Another interesting side effect of the way the PAL system works is how much easier it is to actually buy firearms online compared to the US. Because of how having a license is a basic check that you're probably not going to go out and do crimes, all a seller needs to do is check my ID and we're good to go, none of this stuff involving FFLs and paying transfer fees.
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