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Fister Roboto posted:This is definitely not true in general. Well it’s true in effective ones. There are probably a lot of ineffective ones that do that.
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May 29, 2022 01:24
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Tenebrais posted:I have literally only seen the phrase used by people who are all "I want to gently caress children, and I intend to gently caress a child, just give me the opportunity". I usually see it used by right wing trolls trying to make it look like there's a legitimate movement to embrace pedophiles as part of the LGBT community. I do think it makes sense to use alternative language in a clinical setting. I imagine a lot of them recognize they have a problem they want fixed, and I think using softer language there can help them seek treatment rather than be too ashamed to say anything. But, I don't think it belongs in popular discourse because lmao @ the idea of normalizing pedophiles in society. I think more important than language is any kind of targeted messaging like "hey, are you a pedophile? Ask your doctor about chemical castration."
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May 29, 2022 01:32
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my experience iwth the phrase "MAP" is that it is used, in practice, by A. literal, actual pedophiles who B. seek to downplay the fact that they are pedophiles in order to C. sneak their way into the category of "gender & sexual minorities" and associate themselves, on purpose for false-flag reasons, with the LGBTQ+ community in order to accomplish one of two goals: 1. people successfully start viewing pedophilia as a natural and innocent variation on human sexuality which deserves protection and support exactly like the LGBTQ+ community does, OR 2. people successfully start associating LGBTQ+ with pedophilia and start taking away protection and support from the LGBTQ+ community either of which these people would consider to be a win.
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May 29, 2022 01:32
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sexpig by night posted:getting
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May 29, 2022 01:38
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InediblePenguin posted:my experience iwth the phrase "MAP" is that it is used, in practice, by Same. I have NEVER seen MAP used by anyone who wasn't a danger to kids and/or LGBTQ+ people.
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May 29, 2022 01:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well it’s true in effective ones. There are probably a lot of ineffective ones that do that. You don't get people to seek treatment for drug addiction by calling them all crackheads.
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May 29, 2022 01:50
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sexpig by night posted:getting absolutely murdered by cops because some suburban freak saw my kid flick a booger away if you're in an interracial relationship or have an adopted child of a different race you can get this experience already, no hand signal needed
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May 29, 2022 01:53
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InediblePenguin posted:my experience iwth the phrase "MAP" is that it is used, in practice, by This has been my experience with it as well. It’s all well and good if it was coined with good intent, but I’ve only seen it used by 4channers and other fash or fash-adjacent brigaders who love child porn and hate queer people so it’s one of the biggest red flags out there
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May 29, 2022 02:18
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I've seen it used by someone in treatment and not downplaying what it meant before, but that was years ago. Generally I figure it's not something people are keen to talk about.
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May 29, 2022 02:24
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Doesn’t Noah’s group also have teenage employees or something? I remember there being far more hosed up things about it than just using softened language.
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May 29, 2022 02:31
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Henchman of Santa posted:Doesn’t Noah’s group also have teenage employees or something? I remember there being far more hosed up things about it than just using softened language. I literally pasted a thing where it said they encouraged the youngest teenagers to interact with pedophiles. 
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May 29, 2022 02:43
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Fister Roboto posted:You don't get people to seek treatment for drug addiction by calling them all crackheads. You don't get them to seek treatment by telling them they're just a guy who likes to cut loose at the weekends either. A person who is sexually attracted to kids is a pedophile. Not a Minor Attracted Person, not a harmless sexual minority, a pedophile.
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May 29, 2022 02:46
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:You don't get them to seek treatment by telling them they're just a guy who likes to cut loose at the weekends either. A person who is sexually attracted to kids is a pedophile. Not a Minor Attracted Person, not a harmless sexual minority, a pedophile. Regardless of how bad the behaviour is, shame based approaches to behavioural therapy just aren't effective. Being able to say "I am a drug addict" without any judgement one way or the other is an important step to acceptance and allowing yourself to analyze your behaviour and make changes.
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May 29, 2022 03:27
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Dr. Stab posted:Regardless of how bad the behaviour is, shame based approaches to behavioural therapy just aren't effective. Being able to say "I am a drug addict" without any judgement one way or the other is an important step to acceptance and allowing yourself to analyze your behaviour and make changes. it's not a shame based approach to call someone who is sexually attracted to children a pedophile. That's literally what the word means. A pedophile who insists on using cute little euphemisms and code words for their pedophilia has not taken the important step you describe.
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May 29, 2022 04:01
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There's also a big difference between therapists or whoever using that term in a clinical setting vs random pedos putting it in their twitter profile
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May 29, 2022 04:21
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:it's not a shame based approach to call someone who is sexually attracted to children a pedophile. That's literally what the word means. A pedophile who insists on using cute little euphemisms and code words for their pedophilia has not taken the important step you describe. seemed hosed up to normalize it by saying they "love" children tbh. Sounds like you're an apologist for kid fuckers.
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May 29, 2022 04:24
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:it's not a shame based approach to call someone who is sexually attracted to children a pedophile. That's literally what the word means. A pedophile who insists on using cute little euphemisms and code words for their pedophilia has not taken the important step you describe. Dude, I am a "child sex abuse" victim and let me tell you that sometimes having "labels" for "things like that" is "important and good" and helps you deal with them when people have gone out of their way to attach shame to things like being sexually abused as a child. Honestly, the fixation on making sure everyone uses the right "shame power words" weird and unsettling. It reminds me of how qanon use the term to get people good and enraged before they (e.g.) storm a government building and murder a cop. No one is coming out to bat for child sex abusers here so you can chill. It already sucks that "well meaning" people have started flooding the internet with "like this post if you hate pedophiles" memes, like the problem is that no one has ever really taken a moment to think about whether it's good or bad.
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May 29, 2022 04:28
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:it's not a shame based approach to call someone who is sexually attracted to children a pedophile. That's literally what the word means. A pedophile who insists on using cute little euphemisms and code words for their pedophilia has not taken the important step you describe. I think the idea is that even though it's literally accurate, the term pedophile carries such a negative connotation that it makes people afraid of talking about their problem, except with other pedophiles, which just reinforces it. That includes people who have pedophilic feelings but have not acted on them, people who can possibly be treated before they harm someone. If that's true, then making that distinction would help keep more children safe. That isn't the same thing as enabling or condoning pedophilia. That's how I understand it in theory at least. Whether it works in practice or not is not something I'm qualified to judge, and like someone else said, there probably isn't much data on it.
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May 29, 2022 04:29
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Dr. Stab posted:Regardless of how bad the behaviour is, shame based approaches to behavioural therapy just aren't effective. Being able to say "I am a drug addict" without any judgement one way or the other is an important step to acceptance and allowing yourself to analyze your behaviour and make changes. This is correct. I just wish we had a robust and accessible mental healthcare system we could point people to. As it stands anyone willing to be honest about it to a professional isn’t guaranteed to actually be able to get any treatment, or to have access long enough. And they stand the risk of becoming complete social pariahs. Ours is not a system that actually protects children in any meaningful way
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I'm gonna stop my side of this conversation because I feel like people are reading me wrong. I got off a 10 hour flight yesterday and I'm probably posting like an idiot. I agree it must absolutely suck to have a brain that's gotten it's wires crossed in such a terrible way and to have no access to anything that can help deal with and stop those thoughts. It'd be safer for everyone if there were channels where people who have those thoughts and want to not have them could get real help rather than having to talk about it in weird online half-spaces with the ones that absolutely do not want to stop.
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Fister Roboto posted:I think the idea is that even though it's literally accurate, the term pedophile carries such a negative connotation that it makes people afraid of talking about their problem, except with other pedophiles, which just reinforces it. That includes people who have pedophilic feelings but have not acted on them, people who can possibly be treated before they harm someone. If that's true, then making that distinction would help keep more children safe. That isn't the same thing as enabling or condoning pedophilia. That's how I understand it in theory at least. Whether it works in practice or not is not something I'm qualified to judge, and like someone else said, there probably isn't much data on it. It's dangerous to focus on the "creepy online predator trying to rebrand" rather than the fact that one in four women are sexually abused by someone they already knew. Plus: Not all child sex abuse (or child abuse in general) is driven by "attraction". A not insignificant subset of "men" would go and lynch someone for "being a pedophile" (which these days could mean anything from "thought they looked a bit gay" to "being a teacher saying trans rights") and on the way home tell a 12 year old girl that she's gonna be a great gently caress when she turns 18 without a second of self reflection. Anyway, I definitely forgot the point I was trying to make here. Except maybe we need less pedophilia chat in the IoSM thread.
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https://twitter.com/ellymelly/status/1530699111938535424 https://twitter.com/ellymelly/status/1529948251163881474
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Mx. posted:https://twitter.com/ellymelly/status/1530699111938535424 Wait, do they have actual fire alarm inspectors in Aus, or is this a landlord thing?
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Party Ape posted:Except maybe we need less pedophilia chat in the IoSM thread. Agreed. Let's end this derail and revert our gaze to idiots on social media, folks.
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cult_hero posted:Wait, do they have actual fire alarm inspectors in Aus, or is this a landlord thing? If she's renting the company that your landlord contracts to do it will pop in every six months but in four years of being a homeowner I never heard about anyone actually coming out to check that we had them installed and up to code so I assume it's just a landlord thing.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:If she's renting the company that your landlord contracts to do it will pop in every six months but in four years of being a homeowner I never heard about anyone actually coming out to check that we had them installed and up to code so I assume it's just a landlord thing. If it's an apartment with a fire door it needs to be professionally inspected too.
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Mx. posted:well it's either that or a lunatic posting made up stories on twitter thing gasp, no!
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Who would go on the internet...and tell lies?!
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BioEnchanted posted:Who would go on the internet...and tell lies?! My dad Elon Musk says it happens all the time
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:If she's renting the company that your landlord contracts to do it will pop in every six months but in four years of being a homeowner I never heard about anyone actually coming out to check that we had them installed and up to code so I assume it's just a landlord thing. We own our apartment and can 100% confirm that every apartment in our > 10 story building gets their alarms checked every year. They also run tests of the emergency broadcast system every few months. Checks include the front door as it is a fire door and the alarm which is wired in to the building so you can't just take the battery out if you're the sort to keep setting it off. This is a reasonably new building though so not sure how that goes with older or smaller ones.
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“Surely after the third poorly acted example this will end.” Then it went on for another 3 minutes 
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sexpig by night posted:getting absolutely murdered by cops because some suburban freak saw my kid flick a booger away Don’t worry, all that will happen is someone will brandish their Russian phone at you and make a “whoooooooooooo!” sound. It’ll be embarrassing, but you’ll love
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Darkhold posted:A few months back my son kicked another kid in the balls for saying dragons were dumb. Being the Dragon Emperor is a big part of his identity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjD9fZHRtM Picturing this dumb scene but with children
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Scientastic posted:It’ll be embarrassing, but you’ll love But will I also Live and Laugh?
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Le Faye Morgaine posted:But will I also Live and Laugh? Nope, just eat and pray.
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Skwirl posted:Nope, just eat and pray. Yes, we've all been to taco bell before.
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OwlFancier posted:A seagull bit the ice cream out of my mouth the other week and I have not forgiven them. All seagulls must now perish. A few pages back, but gulls are highly susceptible to be H5N1 carriers so it's really not advisable to be making out with them right now
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