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mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Dimloep posted:

The shelves in the hot box collapsed and broke 250 plates 15 minutes before plate-up starts. Wheeeeee!

Napkins as plates time

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WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn

Skwirl posted:

unsolicited aura readings

Mrs. WITCHCRAFT works in a hospital and had a new hire give unsolicited aura readings to each patient they interacted with. And coworkers. The patients were not amused. Nor the coworkers.

How do these people end up being the most hire-able candidate? Out of tens and sometimes hundreds of applicants, that's really the best you can do?

tinytort
Jun 10, 2013

Super healthy, super cheap

WITCHCRAFT posted:

Mrs. WITCHCRAFT works in a hospital and had a new hire give unsolicited aura readings to each patient they interacted with. And coworkers. The patients were not amused. Nor the coworkers.

How do these people end up being the most hire-able candidate? Out of tens and sometimes hundreds of applicants, that's really the best you can do?

Some people are really good at keeping the crazy under wraps until after they're hired.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

I really feel that the more comfortably you're living the more liberty you feel you have to slip into believing the dumb poo poo. Because most staff in critical care are making decent money and are therefore comfortable you hear all sorts of poo poo, I've mentioned in here before the ICU RN who went to her ... eastern medicine practicioner and proudly exclaimed one day at work that the reason she's been feeling unwell is that her Blood is Too Hot. Being in healthcare doesn't really seem to inoculate people against having bizarre superstitious/religious beliefs, and because a lot of us are making above average incomes I really think there's an above-average amount of functional lunacy in the group also.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



One of my most competent coworkers is a horse enthusiast, anti-vax, acupuncture & reiki vocal proponent. Probably reads Goop. Nobody calls her out on it because that'd just create drama.

One time in a car my brother, his SO and I were talking about podcasts and I brought up Oh No Ross and Carrie, which investigates fringe science and spirituality. I laid my cards out pretty quickly on how sad it is that homeopathy and energy healers bilk suffering people out of money and distract them from getting real therapy / doctor help before brother said "well... homeopathy really works for SO and their family"

It was an awkward rest of the drive. So I'm saying there are quiet believers alongside the loud, read-your-aura-unprompted believers.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

WITCHCRAFT posted:

Mrs. WITCHCRAFT works in a hospital and had a new hire give unsolicited aura readings to each patient they interacted with.

I mean. Post/username combo....

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



BrianBoitano posted:

One of my most competent coworkers is a horse enthusiast, anti-vax, acupuncture & reiki vocal proponent. Probably reads Goop. Nobody calls her out on it because that'd just create drama.

One time in a car my brother, his SO and I were talking about podcasts and I brought up Oh No Ross and Carrie, which investigates fringe science and spirituality. I laid my cards out pretty quickly on how sad it is that homeopathy and energy healers bilk suffering people out of money and distract them from getting real therapy / doctor help before brother said "well... homeopathy really works for SO and their family"

It was an awkward rest of the drive. So I'm saying there are quiet believers alongside the loud, read-your-aura-unprompted believers.

I mean, if it's a water based solution hydrating does help but that and the placebo effect are basically basically all its doing. A "30C" solution would have to be so large it would collapse under its own gravity to have just 1 molecule of its source material.

Don't believe me? Well here's a polite science duck for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HslUzw35mc

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
That video's treatment of the placebo effect, especially in service of defending homeopathy, is just...a million miles from correct. Placebo is a collection of different spurious and attribution effects in which people attribute a causal benefit where none exists. Most of the "it's been proven that" claims the video makes about placebo just aren't true (and, surprise surprise, a lot of the cited research is funded by alt-med industry proxies). In practice, alt-med hides behind these overbroad claims about placebo effects to evade stronger regulation or bans.

The claims about communication cues and how it signals a need for better interpersonal treatment in clinical treatment being used to induce similar effects is also bullshit (though there are other, not bullshit, reasons for clinical care to be more personal where possible). The "hours" spent in an initial homeopathic consult that the video cites are the thing that homeopaths do instead of actual medicine, because they don't have to perform treatments and aren't under the same time and budgetary constraints. This humanizing treatment is just a part of the patter, manipulating patients into attributing any improvements to the homeopathic treatment- the same way that psychics offer long, personalized readings.

The things the video claims "some people say" about the harmful effect of alt-med products, including homeopathic ones, are absolutely true, and there's no point in equivocating about them. Taking homeopathy as an example:

1. Every few years a homeopathic product company screws up its dilution and winds up killing a few people with a raw dose of belladonna or what have you.
2. Homeopathic products, through the spread of false beliefs about their efficacy, wind up being used as substitutes for actually beneficial treatments. This likely kills a lot of people who wind up not seeking treatment for conditions until it's too late, but, as a side effect, this also makes it hard to quantify the bodycount.
3. The industry parasitizes money from both consumers and regulators that could go into actual medicine.
4. Beyond the offhand reference to how homeopathic beliefs feed into antivaxx, which, uh, yes, the alt-med market is also a sort of reservoir for other promoted fringe beliefs. Much of the alt-right was started by jackasses who initially sold dietary supplements.

I could post about this stuff for days because it's a part of my background (there's a whole clinical ethics component about the monstrous idea of deceiving people about the efficacy of treatments "for their own good"), but bottom line is that video's way too generous to homeopathy and the whole "placebo is a real thing" line of shittery. Sorry for the rant.

P.S., the reason Hahnemann had all those conditions on his treatments with homeopathy that get ignored now wasn't because he believed they would work. It was another way that he could claim any case where homeopathic products didn't work was really the fault of the patient for not following instructions.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 23, 2022

parthenocarpy
Dec 18, 2003

It was a tight squeeze, but we got our plastic 4oz bottles just in time the for the holiday weekend, 1440 of them. They're going to be filled with milk punch, sealed (the caps seal themselves, like you see on any plastic soda bottle) and sold to-go. I spent a good amount of time this morning setting up a fine mesh over a prep surface then hand cleaning and sanitizing every bottle and cap with a coworker for this one time batch.

We get all these bottles drying, so we move on to other things. When I get around to coming back, one of the line cooks is busy at work, taking these still wet bottles and sealing them completely empty and stacking them very neatly in a plastic tub.

We counted. He capped and permanently sealed just under 200 plastic bottles with a few grams of water inside.

Its not even 7:00am

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

gently caress. I do not envy you. Dealing with bottling perishables seems like a nightmare to me. Goonspeed! Packaging loving suuuuuuuuucks even without major fuckups!

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Something in another thread reminded me of a little inside-joke anecdote from a place I used to work. We didn't serve a Caesar salad, only a house and a Greek salad. When people would ask "can I get a side Caesar salad?" the servers would often say "Greek OK?"

'Greek OK' is a signal in M4M classifieds for 'anal welcome'.

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


parthenocarpy posted:

Lost a dishwasher who had a rad blowup

Poor guy was caught one night listening to Skyrim music full blast solo closing (I know, its hosed, dishwasher last to leave, not my rules) by the sous chef and got the nickname dragonslayer, then dovakiin, both which he hated. The prep cooks called him dova.

I could tell a million stories related to the nickname. Felon line cooks who never played a video game in their lives learned fictional a dragon language to shout at him. The joke was completely run into the ground though, and after a while only a few people used it. His firing is the best thing about the guy.

This is a department store cafe and its 8:1 women to men company wide. A good percentage of the men working are openly gay / non binary, or security, shoe salesmen, or cooks. Big HR presence, lots of diversity training. Doesn't matter if you came from Fare Start, you're learning about deadnaming and how its a fireable offense.

Well Dova was having a bad day, and an employee who recently transitioned from "Sally" to "Brad" (in fictional but easily understood narrative terms) noticed. Brad was front of house and was good now that his biggest urges were tempered. A huge believer in personal energy, Brad used to give unsolicited horoscopes to guests dining at the cafe, targeting VIPs. It was ultimately explained to Brad that astrology was not a service we offered to our guests, and would lead to termination.

The dish pit gets a huge dump of dishes unsorted and the two man crew is getting overwhelmed with saute pans primarily, and Dova is scouring metal and cussing like a rotten peach, clanging and making noise, and giving bad looks (this is from a HR writeup of a witness).

Brad unloads a tray and decides this is the time to practice his gift, which he understands to be forbidden only to offering our guests

"Dova, your aura is off today" he says, and intends say more, when he is interrupted

Dova goes nuts

"My name isn't Dovakiin or Dova. You're about identity, right? I don't identify as Dova. Don't loving call me that."

So far, so good.

"You got that, Sally?" he adds

And our felonious dragon slaying dishwasher now has to tell his parole officer why he was fired for deadnaming.

Eh, I'm with Dova on this one. Don't call people names they don't like if you expect to be treated in kind.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Yeaaaah, if there's anyone there I would've expected to understand not wanting to be called the wrong drat name, it would've been them.

parthenocarpy
Dec 18, 2003

Republicans posted:

Eh, I'm with Dova on this one. Don't call people names they don't like if you expect to be treated in kind.

I shortened the blow up a bit, he deadnamed her three times total in a loud cussing fit. Like I said, until he got to that point, his shouting was proper and at that moment he probably could have stopped and gone to HR. Entirely different outcome there.

Same place, one of the servers got in an argument with a line cook. They were talking about music genres, server said she liked stuff from her era, generation x. Line cook says bullshit, you aren't gen x, you weren't even born before 9/11. Calls her a zoomer, etc. Nothing too bad. She files a HR complaint, said she identifies as gen x because she has an old soul. HR bought it and had the cook repeat sensitivity training.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

sounds like an extremely poo poo work environment, hope you get out asap

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

parthenocarpy posted:

I shortened the blow up a bit, he deadnamed her three times total in a loud cussing fit. Like I said, until he got to that point, his shouting was proper and at that moment he probably could have stopped and gone to HR. Entirely different outcome there.

Same place, one of the servers got in an argument with a line cook. They were talking about music genres, server said she liked stuff from her era, generation x. Line cook says bullshit, you aren't gen x, you weren't even born before 9/11. Calls her a zoomer, etc. Nothing too bad. She files a HR complaint, said she identifies as gen x because she has an old soul. HR bought it and had the cook repeat sensitivity training.

This is the loving attack helicopter joke.

parthenocarpy
Dec 18, 2003

Bayham Badger posted:

sounds like an extremely poo poo work environment, hope you get out asap

I was staging, I'm already gone.

whos that broooown
Dec 10, 2009

2024 Comeback Poster of the Year

parthenocarpy posted:



Same place, one of the servers got in an argument with a line cook. They were talking about music genres, server said she liked stuff from her era, generation x. Line cook says bullshit, you aren't gen x, you weren't even born before 9/11. Calls her a zoomer, etc. Nothing too bad. She files a HR complaint, said she identifies as gen x because she has an old soul. HR bought it and had the cook repeat sensitivity training.

What the gently caress

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

whos that broooown posted:

What the gently caress

Can't help but feel this is what happens when you have an HR department that desperately wants to be progressive but they're all 51 and don't really understand the point of what they're trying to enforce.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I would absolutely quit any job that (especially a minimum wage one) where I got called into HR because I made fun of a 19 year old coworker for claiming they were Gen X. Like, if very young coworker claimed they were Gen X I would just start claiming I was Greatest Generation, insisting on playing whatever was popular in 1942.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Coming into work with an onion on your belt, which was the style at the time

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Malachite_Dragon posted:

Coming into work with an onion on your belt, which was the style at the time

lol

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Malachite_Dragon posted:

Coming into work with an onion on your belt, which was the style at the time

Give me five bees for a quarter!

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

parthenocarpy posted:

I shortened the blow up a bit, he deadnamed her three times total in a loud cussing fit. Like I said, until he got to that point, his shouting was proper and at that moment he probably could have stopped and gone to HR. Entirely different outcome there.

Same place, one of the servers got in an argument with a line cook. They were talking about music genres, server said she liked stuff from her era, generation x. Line cook says bullshit, you aren't gen x, you weren't even born before 9/11. Calls her a zoomer, etc. Nothing too bad. She files a HR complaint, said she identifies as gen x because she has an old soul. HR bought it and had the cook repeat sensitivity training.

Love 2 cheapen actual harassment and discrimination cases with things like this

parthenocarpy
Dec 18, 2003

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

Love 2 cheapen actual harassment and discrimination cases with things like this

This is honestly not my intention, I'm experiencing a brief sober bit of clarity out of the opium haze that usually shrouds my existence

I've been guilty of cheapening harassment before and its a mistake I hope doesn't happen again

Right before covid I scored a gig washing dishes at a nice place. There are 110 employees and they do family meal every day. The Friday meetings take place during family meal, and the two owners take turns doing the daily rundown while we eat.

I've had the nickname dish pit Adam, or DPA, for a very long time. It was on a Friday, maybe my 20th shift when I was completely oblivious and unresponsive to one of the owners addressing me across the table of food. "DP Adam," he said to me two times, before I realized what was going on

I look up to the owner, he's surrounded by grinning sommeliers. There isn't a single other person around me I know the name of.

"Me? I ask"

"Yeah! DP Adam!"

The only thought in my mind was I had to stop him before he said it a fourth time, and in my very first conversation with the owner I told him he could call me DPA or dish pit Adam or just Adam"

"What's wrong with DP Adam?"

Now the smirks around him turned into open laughter. I said I'd let someone else explain and left the kitchen, but I forgot a desert plate. It was some tarragon infused lemon merengue people had hyped all day. When I came I back the owner's face became the color of a Christian man whose knowledge of the world had just been expanded by the concept of double penetration.

The jokes got worse over the weeks following, but I was rather unoffended and, honestly, gave it back better than I got it. Big dish pits run well with good trash talk. One of our pastry chefs brought soiled dry ice for me to discard then stood and listened to a bit of the usual back and forth one day, then asked me after service why I didn't do anything about the sexual jokes. Of course I explained I didn't mind because I had better ammo on those dumb motherfuckers in the pit. They replied that even if I didn't mind, it could liven a culture in the kitchen where those comments become acceptable everywhere.

The whole crew dish pit were marched into HR and told to knock it off with dick jokes, double dick jokes, whatever. Don't say them, don't hear them and let them go. It didn't matter how clever we thought we were being.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

parthenocarpy posted:

This is honestly not my intention, I'm experiencing a brief sober bit of clarity out of the opium haze that usually shrouds my existence

I've been guilty of cheapening harassment before and its a mistake I hope doesn't happen again

Right before covid I scored a gig washing dishes at a nice place. There are 110 employees and they do family meal every day. The Friday meetings take place during family meal, and the two owners take turns doing the daily rundown while we eat.

I've had the nickname dish pit Adam, or DPA, for a very long time. It was on a Friday, maybe my 20th shift when I was completely oblivious and unresponsive to one of the owners addressing me across the table of food. "DP Adam," he said to me two times, before I realized what was going on

I look up to the owner, he's surrounded by grinning sommeliers. There isn't a single other person around me I know the name of.

"Me? I ask"

"Yeah! DP Adam!"

The only thought in my mind was I had to stop him before he said it a fourth time, and in my very first conversation with the owner I told him he could call me DPA or dish pit Adam or just Adam"

"What's wrong with DP Adam?"

Now the smirks around him turned into open laughter. I said I'd let someone else explain and left the kitchen, but I forgot a desert plate. It was some tarragon infused lemon merengue people had hyped all day. When I came I back the owner's face became the color of a Christian man whose knowledge of the world had just been expanded by the concept of double penetration.

The jokes got worse over the weeks following, but I was rather unoffended and, honestly, gave it back better than I got it. Big dish pits run well with good trash talk. One of our pastry chefs brought soiled dry ice for me to discard then stood and listened to a bit of the usual back and forth one day, then asked me after service why I didn't do anything about the sexual jokes. Of course I explained I didn't mind because I had better ammo on those dumb motherfuckers in the pit. They replied that even if I didn't mind, it could liven a culture in the kitchen where those comments become acceptable everywhere.

The whole crew dish pit were marched into HR and told to knock it off with dick jokes, double dick jokes, whatever. Don't say them, don't hear them and let them go. It didn't matter how clever we thought we were being.

No no, not you, the gen x woman

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn
What music do you play in the kitchen, and what music do you find to be the most accepted genre/style in your kitchen?

I loving love having some music going while I'm doing kitchen things. Something that helps you "get into the zone" rather than zone out.

I listen to weird gross music mostly but stoner/sludge/doom metal always seemed to go over well the the metal heads and prog rock folks, which were an overwhelming majority of people where I worked

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Fortunately I work alone in the brewery most of the time and can blast the horrible noise I listen to. Recently was listening to a lot of Rudimentary Peni. I don't know if it's everyone's thing but Parliament/Funkadelic, Bootsy Collins, etc. helps get into a groove IMHO.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I was FOH, but the kitchen would usually play hip hop or oldies rock at the places I worked (oldies includes 90's stuff).

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008
In Florida, it always, ALWAYS Hispanic music or hip hop.

nudejedi
Mar 5, 2002

Shanghai Tippytap
If I'm alone at my station it's whatever my ADHD rear end is in the mood for, but if I'm working along with others I'll try and play to the crowd a bit anyway, which could be anything from old grindcore or SoundCloud trap rap, to Parliament Funkadelic or Lil Nas X depending on where I'm at in the kitchen.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Girl Talk went over well back in my day

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I still remember putting on ODB's N*gga Please at the brewery I worked at a few years ago and my Japanese coworker who didn't know much English was way into it and asking who it was. That was a funny moment for me. Maybe he was just glad I wasn't listening to Crush Kill Destroy or Escape From Noise again.

Escape From Noise fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jun 1, 2022

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Escape From Noise posted:

I still remember putting on ODB's N*gga Please at the brewery I worked at a few years ago and my Japanese coworker who didn't know much English was way into it and asking who it was. That was a funny moment for me. Maybe he was just glad I wasn't listening to Crush Kill Destroy or Escape From Noise again.

One place I managed had a server who was a huge music fan - his tastes were all over the place, and he was great at coming up with playlists for the dining room. He had no problem just bringing his personal ipod in every shift he worked (yes, it was that long ago). I'll never forget one shift where he's talking to a table when the song changes to something I recognize but can't place, and he immediately stands up and powerwalks to the office to change it.

Turns out he'd accidentally started the wrong playlist, and our 11AM brunch crowd was about to be treated to NWA's "gently caress tha Police."

Shabadu
Jul 18, 2003

rain dance


The breakfast/daytime prep guy always put on Earth Wind and Fire or Kool n the gang and other 70s and 80s disco/dance/classic rock

a garde like 5 years ago had the same tastes as me so we listened to BTMI and late third wave ska punk

when chef actually wants to listen to music its prog metal like dream theater

im in the office now so i get to listen to wahtever i want, just really quietely since it's an open plan, so that usually means keeping the ska to first wave

Shabadu fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jun 1, 2022

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I accidentally subjected some customers to Death Grips at the brewery I worked at outside of Seattle when I thought I was alone, cleaning up. It was one of their birthdays so I asked if they wanted anything special but they just got snooty and said "You call that music???" so I put on Nurse With Wound or something. I tried to be nice!

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
My place got a bluetooth speaker so I can play whatever an hour into my shift once we close up the inside. I play dad rock and anything that was in the top 100 between the late 90s and the early 2000s.

To add to my woes of doordash, my store is being targeted by this scammer who would place an order for themselves to pick up, cancel it and then use a screenshot of the confirmation screen to try and pick it up. And they keep trying.

Disargeria
May 6, 2010

All Good Things are Wild and Free!
Working in the mornings as butcher with just the saucier we blasted ska, punk rock and classic rock.

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

I used to close blasting Bruce Springsteen in the kitchen. One night a customer left their number with the comment "let's grab some brucekis together". Made my night.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Shooting Blanks posted:


Turns out he'd accidentally started the wrong playlist, and our 11AM brunch crowd was about to be treated to NWA's "gently caress tha Police."

Should have blasted that poo poo

Quick question: if you're a dishwasher, are you typically allowed to wear ear buds?

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