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Mister Speaker posted:Yeah, there's some real cartel barbarianism that I just can't abide no matter how many times they say "familia es todo." Shows tug on my heartstrings pretty easily and I can sort of feel they're setting up Lalo for some sympathy but it doesn't take much to snap back to reality about how monstrous they all are. I’m gonna be honest I’ve never felt like I was meant to sympathize or feel bad for the Salamancas at any point. I dunno, maybe Joaquin
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Tuco is funny but absolutely not sympathetic, Lalo is charismatic as hell but absolutely not sympathetic, Hector is a straight up repulsive piece of poo poo
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May 30, 2022 06:28
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None of the Cartel dudes are meant to be sympathetic, besides Nacho. They're the worst people in both shows, especially the Salamancas.
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May 30, 2022 06:51
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:They also told us that we weren't getting a big mid-season cliffhanger. They said it wasn't intentionally shot as a mid season cliffhanger, not that it wasn't one anyway. So yeah those 'concern is warranted' comments are literally meaningless, because of course concern is warranted she's standing in the same room with a murderous cartel boss.
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May 30, 2022 06:54
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Lalo gets some moments, like looking mournfully at his tio living a horrible nursing home life as he has to flee the country, or watching the bodies of his cook and gardener piled around the carnage left by the best hitmen available. There was also a flashback in Breaking Bad of the terminator twins' childhood where they were normal kids and they turned out the way they did because Hector was just psychotically abusive. Plus Gus' whole history with the Salamancas. There's definitely individual scenes that are meant to elicit sympathy, even if they're not sympathetic characters on the whole. Which is something you get in any decent piece of writing, because it informs the audience why the bad guys do the poo poo they do, and makes them characters rather than just plot obstacles.
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May 30, 2022 07:17
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christmas boots posted:I’m gonna be honest I’ve never felt like I was meant to sympathize or feel bad for the Salamancas at any point. You kinda feel bad in the way that like. Maybe if someone had been cool enough to kill hector a few decades before Nacho gave it a go, maybe the twins wouldn't be so hosed up at least? Probably still pretty hosed up since it sounds like Hector isn't the only crime guy in the family by far. But maybe that one flashback where he half drowns one of them wouldn't have happened. Basically someone should have killed hector a long time ago.
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May 30, 2022 08:17
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:I always assumed it was sort of the opposite and that real cartel stuff is much more "business" and uninteresting 90% of the time. Depends on the mafia/cartel; italian mafia and yakuza are somewhat businesslike, whereas the russian mafia and the mexican cartels are brutal in the way vlad tepes was
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May 30, 2022 08:18
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"I made an analysis to determine the most probable outcome that will happen to Kim and Lalo"
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Kim killing Lalo is not an option I had even considered, but hell, that'd be the twist.
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May 30, 2022 09:11
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It does explain why she'd have to use the vacuum man
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May 30, 2022 09:17
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The cartels irl are beyond anything. I've seen a small amount of a video of them torturing this person who was hooked up to some saline solution just to stop him bleeding out. He was also hooked up to something that stopped him passing out. They were flaying the skin off his face with barbed whips. I only watched like three seconds of it before realizing what it is and recoiling in horror, but it's just another day at the office for those people. Few years ago it was all over the bbc news that they kidnapped some teacher who had a stoma, and the recovered body post-mortem showed they did all sorts of things to the stoma in particular while she was still alive. Beyond horrific The cartel in bb/bcs are teletubbies by comparison
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May 30, 2022 09:33
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Jesus loving christ.  (cartel violence against children)
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May 30, 2022 09:52
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christmas boots posted:It does explain why she'd have to use the vacuum man
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May 30, 2022 09:54
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Just envisioning Gus sitting patiently in his basement trap waiting anxiously for the big showdown, but after an unbearable while, Mike ends up showing up instead. After a brief [dialogue inaudible] we tune in to hear him ask the pertinent question: "who the gently caress is Kim Wexler?"
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May 30, 2022 10:47
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Kim killing Lalo is not an option I had even considered, but hell, that'd be the twist. Well, someone has to die with that spikey bottle cap embedded in their jugular, and Lalo is the prime candidate.
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May 30, 2022 10:52
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That probably makes the most sense given that Saul is intimately familiar with his services by Breaking Bad. I wouldn't say 'intimately familiar', rather than just 'is aware'. He's even surprised when he ends up using him, that he's an actual vacuum sales and repair guy. He previously had no idea.
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May 30, 2022 11:23
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My theory is that Kim tries to use his services, then decides to pull some con instead, then it fails and she wants to disappear again. This is how Saul knows you only get one chance with the guy and doesn't know about the store. She ends up dead or in jail.
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May 30, 2022 12:15
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Nuebot posted:Basically someone should have killed hector a long time ago. Maybe the worst thing Gus did was stay Michael's hand.
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May 30, 2022 12:25
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The cartels post videos of some of the stuff they do and just them being described gave me nightmares. Worse than ISIS poo poo in some cases. Even back in the cocaine heyday of the 80s when it wasn't anywhere near as bad as how the Mexican cartels are now you had Griselda Blanco doing poo poo like that makes Gus and them look like softies. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 30, 2022 |
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May 30, 2022 14:13
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Groovelord Neato posted:The cartels post videos of some of the stuff they do and just them being described gave me nightmares. Worse than ISIS poo poo in some cases. Another in a series of monsters named White
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May 30, 2022 15:24
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:I always assumed it was sort of the opposite and that real cartel stuff is much more "business" and uninteresting 90% of the time. nah i got shown a cartel video of some woman with her face peeled off once
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May 30, 2022 15:38
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real cartels don’t import professional engineering contractors from germany to work on their secret projects then go home, they just kidnap whatever workers they need then kill them when the job’s done
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May 30, 2022 15:46
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May 30, 2022 16:28
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Yeah the cartel in both BB and BCS is just an analog for both corporate America and elements of pre 1970s organized crime. In real life there's no way that the DEA or even the local Albuquerque cops would be completely unaware of what Gus was doing.
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May 30, 2022 16:35
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CPFortest posted:Yeah the cartel in both BB and BCS is just an analog for both corporate America and elements of pre 1970s organized crime. In real life there's no way that the DEA or even the local Albuquerque cops would be completely unaware of what Gus was doing. in real life they’d be helping Gus and hank would be insanely racist
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May 30, 2022 16:37
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gus is the biggest meth producer and pusher in the US, he's ruined countless more lives than the salamancas and is portrayed somewhat sympathetically
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May 30, 2022 16:43
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lol I just remembered that time Anonymous tried to declare war on a cartel and then was immediately backed off by their response of "we have enough money to hire our own hackers to find you and kill your families"
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May 30, 2022 16:44
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skipmyseashells posted:in real life they’d be helping Gus and hank would be insanely racist hank is already racist did you watch the show
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skipmyseashells posted:in real life they’d be helping Gus and hank would be insanely racist There's no way that Walt and Jesse could stay under the radar so well and would've probably been turned into DEA assets from the jump to keep an eye on Gus and the cartel. Also despite Hank being related to Walt through marriage, in reality his career wouldnt have been hosed over by Walt becoming a meth cook.
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May 30, 2022 16:45
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Rageaholic posted:Really looking forward to tonight's new Better Call Sa--oh right Now instead I have to live-watch the finale of We Own This City and get mad at how evil cops are before I try to go to sleep
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May 30, 2022 16:47
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hbag posted:hank is already racist did you watch the show that’s just normal American racism, cop racism is another league
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May 30, 2022 16:48
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stromboni posted:lol I just remembered that time Anonymous tried to declare war on a cartel and then was immediately backed off by their response of "we have enough money to hire our own hackers to find you and kill your families" Is there an article about this somewhere?
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May 30, 2022 16:49
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aren't you glad they didn't release all at once!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes i know it's because of bob's health problems im just making fun of the people saying binge watching is the death of watching poo poo
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ghostwritingduck posted:Is there an article about this somewhere? https://www.marketplace.org/2011/11/04/anonymous-hackers-declare-war-mexican-drug-cartel/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...1SzmM_blog.html please note that both articles were posted on the same day - November 4, 2011. operation didn't even last a day-night cycle
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i say swears online posted:gus is the biggest meth producer and pusher in the US, he's ruined countless more lives than the salamancas and is portrayed somewhat sympathetically I don't remember any scene where Gus was portrayed in a way that was meant to be sympathetic. He's always been shown to be a monster - just bubbling under the surface of the world's most delightful chicken man.
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May 30, 2022 16:57
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every loving scene in los pollos makes me hungry
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May 30, 2022 16:58
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every scene in los pollos makes me wish mr. fring had been my meth-distributing fast food manager
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hbag posted:every loving scene in los pollos makes me hungry ironically, meth'll cure you of that
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stev posted:I don't remember any scene where Gus was portrayed in a way that was meant to be sympathetic. He's always been shown to be a monster - just bubbling under the surface of the world's most delightful chicken man. I would say the flashback where max is killed is meant to make him sympathetic if only just enough to make you root for him wiping out the cartel
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Whenever Gus is in Mexico, he's a good guy. Whenever he's in the United States, he's a monster
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