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I work in health care complaints and one of our most common complaint are folks who can't buy guns anymore due to a history of the sort of mental illness that gets your guns taken away really really wanting their guns back. Often they will outright say they NEED their guns back because of the chips justin is putting in everyone, or to make sure their ex-wife that they apparently were "stalking" knows who's boss. It's never some poor farmer who was diagnosed bipolar and had his guns taken away. It's always people who snapped and built a fort in the mail room at their job and refused to come out until their boss admitted to gang stalking them.
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May 30, 2022 23:49
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In ancient Canada the peasants were forbidden to carry a gun. So they developed martial arts using common implements such as hockey sticks and ratchet straps.
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May 30, 2022 23:49
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EvilJoven posted:...actually make the RCMP do their loving jobs...
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May 30, 2022 23:51
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EvilJoven posted:The Liberals could have spent that time penning a bill to actually make the RCMP do their loving jobs and it would have saved lives.
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May 30, 2022 23:53
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In the case of the Nova Scotia shooting the shooter was reported multiple times for various things that all would have warranted having his house searched and his firearms seized but the RCMP didn't use a single one of the laws already at their disposal to do so and instead let the shooter kill 22 people. A handgun ban wouldn't have saved a single one of those 22 lives.
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May 30, 2022 23:54
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Baronjutter posted:It's never some poor farmer who was diagnosed bipolar and had his guns taken away. It's always people who snapped and built a fort in the mail room at their job and refused to come out until their boss admitted to gang stalking them. I can't find it right now because search results are obviously going to be skewed by today's press conference, but I remember seeing an interview with an old farmer who self reported due to a severe bout of depression and got reinstated once he went to therapy and got medicated. I think we just don't hear about it because the ones shouting at everyone about how the government is out to get them aren't the ones who are getting help.
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May 30, 2022 23:58
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EvilJoven posted:In the case of the Nova Scotia shooting the shooter was reported multiple times for various things that all would have warranted having his house searched and his firearms seized but the RCMP didn't use a single one of the laws already at their disposal to do so and instead let the shooter kill 22 people. Why are you expecting thought from D&D (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 31, 2022 00:00
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I'm not. I fully expected a page of morons gloating because of this despite the fact that it solves nothing.
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May 31, 2022 00:04
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Oh I don't think anyone here's under that impression. Not that a handgun ban wouldn't be nice, but the provinces are going to do it whether the feds do or not; and as for the red flag procedure that might've picked up the NS shooter, it would still need to have gone before a judge to be weighed against whatever feather they use to represent vexatious complaints
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May 31, 2022 00:06
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Abolish the Police.
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May 31, 2022 00:06
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flakeloaf posted:Not that a handgun ban wouldn't be nice, but the provinces are going to do it whether the feds do or not; flakeloaf posted:and as for the red flag procedure that might've picked up the NS shooter, it would still need to have gone before a judge to be weighed against whatever feather they use to represent vexatious complaints https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/neighbours-tried-warn-police-portapique-gunmans-abuse-weapons-1.6413460 Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 31, 2022 |
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May 31, 2022 00:08
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Stanley Pain posted:Abolish the Police. We'd probably all be safer if this had happened today, instead.
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May 31, 2022 00:10
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EvilJoven posted:We'd probably all be safer if this had happened today, instead.
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May 31, 2022 00:13
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Shumagorath posted:Dunno about that, unless you want to replace the government monopoly on violence with warlord Immortan Pierre. What's the difference.
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May 31, 2022 01:53
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EvilJoven posted:In the case of the Nova Scotia shooting the shooter was reported multiple times for various things that all would have warranted having his house searched and his firearms seized but the RCMP didn't use a single one of the laws already at their disposal to do so and instead let the shooter kill 22 people. If the RCMP are ignoring laws then why would passing more laws help? Whether that law is a "handgun ban" or the magical "RCMP do a competent, worthwhile job" law you propose.
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May 31, 2022 01:54
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Because it pleases their idiot voter base. The whole thing is for election soundbites.
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May 31, 2022 02:02
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Mister Speaker posted:Really looking forward to the delicious CHUD tears over this one.
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May 31, 2022 02:03
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Bleck posted:What's the difference. It would probably gently caress our economy pretty badly. (See https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12117-007-9013-x for example) The other difference is in the number of people killed. Police shootings in Canada result in say 30-40 people killed per year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-year-end-police-shootings-1.6298888 That’s for something like 70,000 officers in Canada. I don’t have any data for this but I strongly suspect a mob run Canada would have a lot more than 30-40 killed by the group monopolizing violence.
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May 31, 2022 02:07
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Shumagorath posted:Dunno about that, unless you want to replace the government monopoly on violence with warlord Immortan Pierre. Don't know why it needs to swing in extremes. Something community based would be great to put in its stead.
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May 31, 2022 03:10
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Shumagorath posted:Are they? Maybe Québec. There's talk of it in Ontario too. Re the video: Nonono I'm talking about the civilian process. The civies would still need to go to a judge, who would then need to not tell them to gently caress off. That second bit I'm having trouble with.
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May 31, 2022 03:22
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We should pass a law that RCMP can't hide in the bushes while civilians are being slaughtered.
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May 31, 2022 03:27
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EvilJoven posted:Because it pleases their idiot voter base. The whole thing is for election soundbites. Oh lol I missed your joke entirely.
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May 31, 2022 03:32
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flakeloaf posted:There's talk of it in Ontario too.
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May 31, 2022 04:04
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Mr. Apollo posted:A bunch of gun forums just went private and are no longer accepting members and / or the websites are unusable due to the traffic. lol Guess we're going to see a new freedom convoy soon.
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May 31, 2022 04:21
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odiv posted:Maybe this is a dumb question, but could they actually have accomplished this? The trucker convoy proved conclusively that no, we cannot force the police to do their jobs.
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May 31, 2022 04:23
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Evis posted:It would probably gently caress our economy pretty badly. Bleck posted:What's the difference.
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May 31, 2022 04:26
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Mister Speaker posted:You could go to the US and buy a handgun too, but if you get caught with either you're going away for a long time. As you should. I was surprised at the complete ban of handguns, I'd be ok with revolvers, I'd figure anything with a removable magazine and semi-automatic would be gone. I'd also ban any magazines that are "pinned" eg. 30 round "pinned" to 5 where 2 minutes with a drill you can "reset" it. Any specifics on the ban? Does it move it to a prohibited class? /edit Looks like they are addressing the pinned magazine issue. Big K of Justice fucked around with this message at 04:38 on May 31, 2022 |
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May 31, 2022 04:31
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Big K of Justice posted:I was surprised at the complete ban of handguns, I'd be ok with revolvers, I'd figure anything with a removable magazine and semi-automatic would be gone.
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May 31, 2022 04:41
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I'm down with banning handguns and disbanding the RCMP and am pretty sure that would not result in the country being taken over by organized crime because it's already owned by the FIRE sector anyway. e: somehow I missed that Mark Saunders is running for the PCs in Kathleen Wynne's old riding. Can Toronto's former disgraced police chiefs please stop falling upwards? Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 05:26 on May 31, 2022 |
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May 31, 2022 05:23
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eXXon posted:e: somehow I missed that Mark Saunders is running for the PCs in Kathleen Wynne's old riding. Can Toronto's former disgraced police chiefs please stop falling upwards? Ontario Party is just straight-up white nationalist, and couldn't fill a full slate of candidates. New Blue has essentially a blog post about how Ontario Party tried to deconflict/merge with them and how they refused, but their full slate of candidates resulted from letting people write their own bios and crop their own photos. Both are just a bunch of idiots too scared of needles and miracles to get vaccinated. Check their respective sites out if you want to see some of the dumbest people alive.
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May 31, 2022 05:32
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I can see the Liberals totally getting this through, right after voting reform
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May 31, 2022 05:35
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Shumagorath posted:Was that from anyone other than Del Duca? No. I didn't say it was talk that had been listened to. Tad Naff posted:I can see the Liberals totally getting this through, right after voting reform Or spoken with any intention of actually following through. 
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May 31, 2022 06:07
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Shumagorath posted:Interesting line to draw given a swing-out or break-action still reloads quickly enough, but most of the guns being used in crimes are already prohibited in one way or another and have been for decades (barrel under 4 inches, magazine over 10 rounds, full-auto Glock sears smuggled over from China that even the US ATF has been trying to recover because they're not legal there either, sometimes the obscenely stupid combination of all three). Nowhere near the speed of an semi-automatic, I mean there's speed loaders, but there's a reason why cops dropped revolvers for the most part. Especially Single Action, that'll take a bit to reload, one round at a time. I wonder if there will be an exemption for cowboy guns, single action. There are a few cowboy action shooting teams in Canada, and honestly swinging the ban hammer on a Cattleman Colt Single Action clone seems extreme.
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May 31, 2022 08:36
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Banning pistols if fine, but for the reasons noted on this page, not really worth talking about. The incremental change is basically nothing. If they'd actually gone ahead and banned anything semi-automatic, it would be worth talking about. Nothing that can fire faster than a bolt action. Maybe I'm using the term wrong. Not a gun guy. Possession of a loaded handgun seemed like a legitimate use case for mandatory minimums. The way the SCC struck down those laws in R. v. Nur seemed to leave room for amendments to carve out the problems the majority identified. But by the time the law was struck down, Trudeau was in power and they had taken position that mandatory minimums created by the Conservatives were all terrible. Which to be fair, they mostly were. Anyway, Trudeau could have done something with that too, but he didn't.
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May 31, 2022 13:01
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Shumagorath posted:Not only that; the big box plaza between Laird and Wicksteed has been ringed with Ontario Party signs with no candidate name (is that even legal??), and the New Blue candidate alternated signs with them along Laird. I had a guy out to do some ethernet runs in my house, he hailed from the land of Randy Hillier. Kind of a trip to meet a real person like that. I tried to avoid the politics because I didn't want him to gently caress up my house but these types of people always want to ramble on about it. He started off with something about the liberals signing away Canadian sovereignty to the WHO, which I later found out is I think something from Leslyn Lewis about Bill Gates taking over Canada or something. He then mentioned something about how his local New Blue candidate grew up in communist Poland and has been doing speeches about how freedoms in Canada are now worse than under the communists because of pandemic restrictions and I guess because the government didn't dissolve itself in response to the Freedumbers. He did good work though, so thumbs up on that part.
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May 31, 2022 13:25
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EvilJoven posted:I'm not. I fully expected a page of morons gloating because of this despite the fact that it solves nothing. And takes time, attention, resources and money away from things that actually would reduce crime and save lives. That’s the thing.
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May 31, 2022 13:33
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ban all guns that aren't the mosin nagant in fact issue a mosin nagant to every to every citizen on their 16th birthday
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May 31, 2022 13:48
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Slotducks posted:ban all guns that aren't the mosin nagant How about we take that gun and replace it with functional pharma/dental/mental/vision/elder/child care?
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May 31, 2022 14:20
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A gun is much cheaper though. This is what's known as fiscal responsibility
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May 31, 2022 14:32
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eXXon posted:How about we take that gun and replace it with functional pharma/dental/mental/vision/elder/child care? lol you going to sit in front of an insurance companies' ceo and rain all over their parade like that? that ceo needs a 6th vacation home, you're going to be the one that does that exxon? really? they just had their most profitable fiscal year ever and now you're going to just take it away from them? you're a monster
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May 31, 2022 14:40
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