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RBA Starblade posted:That seems fine as a quick gesture to do while getting in the car? He could've given a thumbs down instead. The problem is that thumbsup is all that they're ever going to get from him
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How can we vote more Dem Senators into office when the Dems refuse to pass voting rights legislation, refuse to add more senate seats to make the drat institution more democratic, refuse to do anything that would actually make that possible. We live in an undemocratic, authoritarian country. If the democrat party won't change that, they can at least use their already existing authoritarian power to make people's lives better. Seems like they aren't interested in doing either!
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Probably Magic posted:Good point, let's close the thread until January. :P this thread was concieved on march 21st, so thanks to the upcoming supreme court decision, by my math if we don't close it before early july we have to carry it to term until december
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May 30, 2022 20:18
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Young Freud posted:How is that not going into a run-off? There's a 35 vote difference between him and the next highest place.
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May 30, 2022 20:34
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Ah, yes, noted rational Republican Mitch McConnell.
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May 30, 2022 20:45
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McConnell is very rational in that he's very self-interested, not very ideological at all, but lol that Biden thinks passing a gun bill with a Democratic congress works in McConnell's self-interest.
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I hate the rhetoric of "this time will be different" every time we get a mass shooting. yes the other side is composed of human beings who genuinely feel bad when something like this occurs, but you have to be hopelessly naïve to believe that that means 10 Republican senators are going to break ranks to vote for something that would surely tank their future in the party. hoping for a compromise that will never come to pass just makes you look weak and incompetent. The most you're going to get out of this is a chance to put forward some gun control legislation that could've prevented the tragedy and daring the other side to vote against it. At least then you have the chance to say you bastards let this come to pass by voting against bill x when the next tragedy occurs. right now it's hard to see this in any other way than that both sides are complicit.
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Rigel posted:It actually does, because it breaks people away from the idiotic idea that what we are doing in the USA and what we have always done in the past is normal and not stupid. We rarely have a governing coalition who can set the agenda. The people mostly think they are voting for one, expect the people in power to enact the change they promised, and are confused and angry when they don't, and most of them who aren't political nerds like us don't want to hear excuses about the filibuster. Eh. So IMHO, I'm not a political scientist, but most of this is because the Republicans are insane. In a functioning government the Democrats would not exist. They are some weird big tent party that encompasses literally all ideas and ideologies to the left of fascists and theocrats. Even capital is more and more leaning on the Dems when traditionally the Republicans have been the party of the mega wealthy; they still *are*, but it seems like increasingly they split the difference with the libs. The Democrats therefore have the dubious honor of representing both people who would like UHC *and* insurance companies in the same party. They represent both (rarely) socialists and (much more commonly) the interests of capital, environmentalists, you name it. So the Democrats wind up having to form internal coalitions to get anything done. Because they represent wildly different interests within one party. Whereas the Republicans maintain a pretty singular monofocus on tax breaks for the wealthy, gently caress minorities, and praise Jesus. I don't know how you resolve this problem when the gibbering mouther party represents at minimum 30% of the country and the other party contains all possible ideas of political thought under a single banner. It doesn't seem like you can vote your way out of that problem.
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May 30, 2022 23:00
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Mendrian posted:Eh. So basically, everyone who's not a fascist or a supporter of fascists? But that alone, like you said, sadly, is not enough of a platform in and of itself without solutions. And we HAVE solutions. M4A, some form of UHC/public option, some semblance of reasonable gun control and we...never...do...poo poo. What'd we get, the ACA? LOL. Watered down from the get go and written by insurance companies because we have stupidly let the healthcare industry, a public NEED, become 20% of our economy. Never gonna be a shortage of dying and sick people and we need their money. It's bullshit and the Democratic party makes me often ashamed to vote for them, let alone have to defend them in the workplace or wherever the topic comes up. What do I tell my friends that the democratic party can offer them? I'll wait. The last meaningful Gun measure we passed in the US was the Brady Bill loving 40 years ago. Simply not being the other guy isn't much a rallying cry these days as our country burns and people simply don't have the time or energy. Revolution? Maybe but not for a while. This isn't even getting into the fact that roughly half or more of our population is A-OK with fascism as long is has the right coat of red, white and blue paint on it and quote a bible verse. None of the democrats we elect even call it what it is out loud, repeatedly, that we're fighting. Fascism. And our loving president is talking about reaching across the aisle to these dicks and calling them rational people that can be reasoned with while Q loonies and Big Lie candidates increasingly walk the halls of our loving government with no push back. Censure? oooooo. That'll show them. Stop calling these loving people reasonable and rational for a start and use your power and ability to frame the message like the GOP does.
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The "excitement" and "drama" comes from seeing whether the Democrats will fully transition away from center-right gerontocrat politics before the republic collapses. They have made strides and every time there's a wave election the blue dog-types get hit hardest, which has shifted the party leftward even as the olds in leadership go kicking and screaming. We still see a party struggling just to negotiate with itself on pretty much everything. Means-tested $10,000 off your student loans is some pretty weak poo poo, 1/5th of the original number floated.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The "excitement" and "drama" comes from seeing whether the Democrats will fully transition away from center-right gerontocrat politics before the republic collapses. The Democrats trying desperately to avoid something that happened decades ago is definitely on brand.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Vote more people into the senate who will help you fix the issues. States with two R Senators: AL, AK, AR, FL, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MS, MO, NE, ND, NC, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WY States with two D Senators plus Bernie: AZ, CA, CO, CT, DE, GE (very unlikely to hold), HI, IL, MD, MA, MI, MN, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, VA, WA States with one of each or an Angus King: Maine , Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Wisconsin Which of these Senate seats are Dems likely to pickup without pivoting even more sharply to the right? BONUS Fact: The 23 states with two R Senators represent approximately 127 million people, or about 39% of the American population. The 23 double-D states represent about 173 million. It is an undemocratic institution and cannot be reformed, and cannot be fixed by voting. RealityWarCriminal fucked around with this message at 00:35 on May 31, 2022 |
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RealityWarCriminal posted:States with two R Senators: AL, AK, AR, FL, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MS, MO, NE, ND, NC, OK, SC, SD, TN, UT, WY You're missing TX
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RealityWarCriminal posted:States with two R Senators: AL, AK, AR, FL, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MS, MO, NE, ND, NC, OK, SC, SD, TN, UT, WY Worse, the best the Dems offer when they do get the votes to overcome gerrymandered bullshit is this creep: https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1531329875348439040 Biden posted:
I recall being told that Biden would be the next FDR. He’s not even LBJ. He’s worse than Carter as far as making an impact for the America people. Biden is pathetic and the president Dems and their supporters deserve.
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I collated this myself on my phone. apologies for errors but I believe the math is mostly correct.
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Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something”
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Big Slammu posted:Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something” I mean yeah. There's visceral frustration that people want change and nobody visible is advocating for that change. Biden's idea of advocating isn't enough. I mean it's boring for discussion but the essence of that discontent is pretty important.
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The last semi meaningful American gun regulation was done pretty close to single handedly by Donald Trump
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Big Slammu posted:Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something” A constant stream of dead children while the leader of the free world is 'meh' will do things to people. At least he could at least advocate for things instead of giving thumbs up and vocally supporting ghouls like Mitch and friends. "At least it wasn't worse". God I wish Bernie won. It's at the point where if Trump wins at least he'll get poo poo done that his supporters want.
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Big Slammu posted:Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something” things being unconstitutional didn't stop his predecessor from getting poo poo done, even if it was ultimately overturned later.
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Big Slammu posted:Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something” 50 pages? More like every page.
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sleep with the vicious posted:The last semi meaningful American gun regulation was done pretty close to single handedly by Donald Trump I can't think of anything that Trump passed was a magnitude better than Biden's ghost gun regulation that he recently passed. Kalit fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 31, 2022 |
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May 31, 2022 01:11
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Kalit posted:I can't think of anything that Trump passed was a magnitude better than Biden's ghost gun regulation he recently passed. Trump's bump stock ban was far and away more impactful than ghost gun legislation, which was a solution in search of a problem. Ghost guns aren't even banned under the new regulations, they just require a background check. There's still private sales or gun show loopholes for dodging background checks.
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Big Slammu posted:Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something” I don't think it's unreasonable to criticize Biden for saying dumb poo poo like quote:“McConnell is a rational Republican. Cornyn is as well,” he said. “I think there’s a recognition on their part that they — we can’t continue like this. We can’t do this.” Like, it completely deflects blame from the Republicans. These are the results of intentional policy that they specifically worked to make happen. The situation we're in is explicitly what the Republicans want! Giving them free cover by pretending it's a natural disaster-esque problem that everyone wants to solve, but there are just disagreements on, is loving stupid The literal least Biden could do is acknowledge the reality of our situation, but instead he's aw-shucksing with his friends the Republicans. It's maddening. It should make everyone mad!
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Bishyaler posted:Trump's bump stock ban was far and away more impactful than ghost gun legislation, which was a solution in search of a problem. Ghost guns aren't even banned under the new regulations, they just require a background check. There's still private sales or gun show loopholes for dodging background checks. How is that a magnitude degree better? How much does a bump stock ban actually help? How much does the ghost gun regulation help? I honestly don’t know, but in both cases I’m going to assume not much. If you can make a case of a bump stock ban making a magnitude of difference over the ghost gun regulations, I’d be happy to hear it
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Kalit posted:How is that a magnitude degree better? How much does a bump stock ban actually help? How much does the ghost gun regulation help? I honestly don’t know, but in both cases I’m going to assume not much. Yeah, I don't know if we can compare the two beyond both being bad. The bump stock ban got rid of an accessory used in one shooting that everyone has already pretty much memory holed even though we still have no real answers as to what the hell even happened in Vegas. The ghost gun legislation adds serial numbers to guns without them. They're both a little more than nothing.
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Kalit posted:How is that a magnitude degree better? How much does a bump stock ban actually help? How much does the ghost gun regulation help? I honestly don’t know, but in both cases I’m going to assume not much. Considering the biggest mass shooting in history was carried out thanks to a bump stock, I'd say its considerable. Ghost guns are involved in less than 1 percent of US murders.
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He's the one they loving wanted. I heard a ton of my democrat leaning friends talking in 2020 about how we needed a moderate, reasonable centrist because a far left leaning candidate beat Trump when I think just about anyone could have beaten him. And as long as we're going to go down in flames for being too far left radical socialist let's elect a far left candidate and at least go down swinging. Right now, in the minds of most of the country, we're stuck with Joe Biden as the mainstream symbol and example of what happens when we vote for a crazy far left liberal and it's gonna stick in people's minds.
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Bishyaler posted:Trump's bump stock ban was far and away more impactful than ghost gun legislation, which was a solution in search of a problem. Ghost guns aren't even banned under the new regulations, they just require a background check. There's still private sales or gun show loopholes for dodging background checks. Bump stock ban was less than useless. It was the most Republicans were willing to do after the Vegas shooting.
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Bishyaler posted:Considering the biggest mass shooting in history was carried out thanks to a bump stock, I'd say its considerable. Ghost guns are involved in less than 1 percent of US murders. That mass shooting contributed to ~0.3% of the total gun homicides in 2017 (60, ignoring the suicide out of 19,384). That's much less than 1%, assuming the figure you cited without a source is correct. And that in no way comes even close to separating the efficacy of a bump stock ban vs the ghost gun regulation. Kalit fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 31, 2022 |
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Kalit posted:That mass shooting contributed to ~0.3% of the total gun homicides in 2017 (60 (ignoring the suicide) out of 19,384). That's much less than 1%, assuming the figure you cited without a source is correct.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, I don't know if we can compare the two beyond both being bad. The bump stock ban got rid of an accessory used in one shooting that everyone has already pretty much memory holed even though we still have no real answers as to what the hell even happened in Vegas. The ghost gun legislation adds serial numbers to guns without them. They're both a little more than nothing. How do you not see this bolded part as connected? Bump stocks were only used in one shooting because they were banned immediately after, and it was the worst mass shooting in US history in terms of casualties. If they weren’t banned, and they were used in future mass shootings, then the event wouldn’t have been “memory holed”, it would come up again the same way people are talking about Sandy Hook today.
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cat botherer posted:I think we're missing the forest for the trees here: Neither ghost guns nor bump stocks matter to reducing the vast majority of gun violence. Ghost guns, like bump stocks, are used in a tiny fraction of gun crimes. Both bans are almost but not quite useless, and underscore how no major power structures in America really give a poo poo about gun violence. Trump didn't give a poo poo, but neither does Biden. 100% agree. Which is why I thought this post: sleep with the vicious posted:The last semi meaningful American gun regulation was done pretty close to single handedly by Donald Trump was really loving stupid.
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Kalit posted:100% agree. Which is why I thought this post: From the link you provided about the ghost gun regulation: "The final rule will also help turn some ghost guns already in circulation into serialized firearms. Through this rule, the Justice Department is requiring federally licensed dealers and gunsmiths taking any unserialized firearm into inventory to serialize that weapon" I personally do not consider that particularly effective regulation. So if you want to clarify my point that DJT banning bump stocks, which were used in the largest mass shooting, is stupider than this regulation, go ahead and argue about that for a few pages. My point, originally glibly posted, is more that nobody in the American power structure gives a poo poo and it would take a Trumpesque figure acting outside the norms of American politics to actually propose gun bans of any kind because the Republican or Democrat parties certainly will not do anything.
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Starks posted:How do you not see this bolded part as connected? Bump stocks were only used in one shooting because they were banned immediately after, and it was the worst mass shooting in US history in terms of casualties. If they weren’t banned, and they were used in future mass shootings, then the event wouldn’t have been “memory holed”, it would come up again the same way people are talking about Sandy Hook today. It should still come up because the dude still used guns, the bump stock didn't shoot the bullets.
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sleep with the vicious posted:From the link you provided about the ghost gun regulation: What the gently caress are you even talking about? A bump stock ban is not a gun ban. A gun ban is something like what passed under Clinton in 1994. Which is someone who was firmly established in the Democratic party. Kalit fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 31, 2022 |
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Terminal autist posted:I own several guns and would consider myself an enthusiast and I would surrender them in a heartbeat if there was legislation for a complete disarmament of America. That being said I'm not going to destory or sell them. This is not a personal responsibility problem, we live in a deeply diseased society and it has to be a problem addressed at a societal level and anything less is just virtue signaling unfortunately. this is exactly how i feel. i don't own guns for self-defense. it's a hobby. shooting is fun. the history of firearms engineering is interesting. i'm perfectly content with mass societal disarmament and recognize that it is the only real long-term solution to gun violence, i just don't think that believing this means one needs to forgo their hobbyist interest in firearms.
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Kalit posted:What the gently caress are you even talking about? A bump stock ban is not a gun ban. A gun ban is something like what Clinton passed in 1994. Which is someone who was firmly established in the Democratic party. You’re arguing technicalities. Trump acted decisively in response to a mass shooting, which is more than can be said of the Biden or Obama administrations.
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Bishyaler posted:You’re arguing technicalities. Trump acted decisively in response to a mass shooting, which is more than can be said of the Biden or Obama administrations. Once again, what are you talking about? I had literally just brought up the ghost gun regulation passed by Biden. Which was in direct response to a mass shooting in Sacramento. This argument of "Trump has done more for gun control than Biden" is ridiculous.
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Bishyaler posted:You’re arguing technicalities. Trump acted decisively in response to a mass shooting, which is more than can be said of the Biden or Obama administrations. My dude news on the Internet is searchable? CNN posted:
Nah, he got distracted and angry at “immigrants” almost immediately.
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