|
playing a bunch of dumbass magic space lizards that seek power as dumbassly as possible. Just released an eldritch horror and swore fealty to it. the resulting destruction of the solar system was really cool looking and I sometimes forgot how pretty it can be outside galaxy map
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 00:29
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 15:48 |
|
|
ilkhan posted:If I'm at that point I console into their empire offer peace, console to other empire, accept, back to my empire. Do it on pause so the ai doesn't mess with your empire. Didn't think of that, wound up stomping the crisis and called it a day, wound up with 2nd place with 48 years to go on the clock and I figured I was done with this match.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 00:55
|
|
|
At a certain point dealing with 30-40k jumping fleets entering my space from a dozen different connecting spots and wormholes while trying to maneuver a dozen of my own fleets in attacking positions and following through on 3-4 troop groups taking planets and then having to move all those damned pops around to fill jobs while also dismantling dozens of enemy citadels because the upkeep on them tanks my economy while also dealing with gal council votes and espionage and... and.. and... Just isn't fun any more. That's when it's time to start a new game and bitch about not getting gateways and jump drives and mega engineering and other techs early enough.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 02:13
|
|
|
Traxis posted:https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1906038494 Thanks I tried this one and either I didn't do it right or I didn't notice a significant difference. There were some odd errors in the debug logs so there's a good chance I might have the wrong version of gimp installed or something
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 03:48
|
|
|
The Cheshire Cat posted:I've just started playing Stellaris again after a while and I'm having a weird random issue that I'm not sure if it's a bug or me just misunderstanding a requirement - I'm playing an authoritarian fanatic militarist Necrophage Corporate empire, and I've got a slave processing facility on a planet with slave pops, but for some reason I can't construct slave armies. The slave pops are allowed to be soldiers under the species rights (and indeed, I can construct a normal assault army with that species type). Is there something I'm missing technology-wise to unlock it? Or is it a thing where one of the aspects of my empire just silently disqualifies me from being able to build that army type? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2811753548&searchtext=
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 04:34
|
|
|
In my current MP game an NPC devouring swarm is way stronger than anyone else and declared war on one of our players and was about to roll over them. Then suddenly however its fleets stopped.. as did its ship building. It had not invaded into my friend's territory yet. From the score we can see that it has been pumping up its economy though. It has been completely passive for a number of years now. Is there some known bug about NPC-s like this and is there any way to fix it?
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 09:01
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:In my current MP game an NPC devouring swarm is way stronger than anyone else and declared war on one of our players and was about to roll over them. Then suddenly however its fleets stopped.. as did its ship building. It had not invaded into my friend's territory yet. From the score we can see that it has been pumping up its economy though. It has been completely passive for a number of years now. Maybe it's alloy production got all hosed and it's currently trying to fix that?
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 09:43
|
|
|
Jack Trades posted:Maybe it's alloy production got all hosed and it's currently trying to fix that? IDK, perhaps.. but it had enough fleets to kick rear end already.. however it keeps them stationary.. during wartime
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 09:46
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:IDK, perhaps.. but it had enough fleets to kick rear end already.. however it keeps them stationary.. during wartime
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 11:28
|
|
|
I believe a alloy deficit will debuff ships, maybe the FleetAI thinks it no longer has the fleets required to do any of its military goals, and thus no longer tries to do anything until the ships are no longer debuffed.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 11:30
|
|
|
It could also be that the fleet is unable to find a path to its target due to being blocked by star fortresses (or fortresses + fleets in the same system) it doesn't believe it can take out, though that's probably not the case if it's much more powerful than the players.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 11:34
|
|
|
It was just the one session. I was looking for explanations before we start up another round tonight.. so yeah - hopefully it will sort itself out. Military power collapse due to missing funds would make sense but its economy is the strongest one in the game by score and is growing fast. Also - sitting pretty due to a fortress would make sense but it is not building new fleets. I guess it can be a combination of multiple things. If it does not sort itself out quickly in the beginning of next session I will probably load it up in SP and try to take a look. I was just thinking that maybe poeple have been encountering or have heard of a similar thing before. Thanks for all the feedback
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 11:51
|
|
|
You can load a multiplayer save and choose to play as the devouring swarm to see what's up, if you wanted to.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 12:48
|
|
|
Playing cooperatively with a friend as spiritual extremist xenophobic empire. I also have Corvet system. It was my 3rd game ever, and first time ever trying this alignment. Friend and I were in a federation together, and I took over some systems from a neighbor. Noticed that I was losing support and it was due to the xenos. So I tried population control and moving my species over, and that caused even more problems. So I changed it to extermination and within a year 90 pop of xenos vanished. Was great. But then my friend and I couldn't do any diplomacy, because he was a xenophile! Took 120 years before we had positive relations again. After that I set the default to deportation. Now whenever I take over territory he gets repeated pop-ups saying refugees have flooded over. We're around 45 years from the game end and even with my really dumb mistakes I got up to 1050 pop of my starter race. No robot workers or slaves. Charles 1998 fucked around with this message at 14:06 on May 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 14:03
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:In my current MP game an NPC devouring swarm is way stronger than anyone else and declared war on one of our players and was about to roll over them. Then suddenly however its fleets stopped.. as did its ship building. It had not invaded into my friend's territory yet. From the score we can see that it has been pumping up its economy though. It has been completely passive for a number of years now. poor hive mind, thought of an ant and died
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 14:17
|
|
|
Does anyone have a good list of origins, civics, and empire types that are often banned in MP? Our ongoing game series has one player who keeps picking the most OP builds and going aggro while everyone else makes regular good builds, and now we're trying to figure out a pool of elements that are straight-up banned and another pool that are restricted to just picking one and not combining with others.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 15:38
|
|
|
Torrannor posted:Not if the GC banns sentient slave trade! If you join the GC and get the market, then leave the GC you keep the market, right? If so, do your own preferences wrt slavery take precedence over the GC's?
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 16:45
|
|
|
I recently joined an MP group and they shared some empire creation rules. The PDF says "SCM" with a logo so I'm not sure if that's a larger Stellaris tournament org or something.code:Anyhoo, I don't have explanations behind any of these rules. At a glance, there's no clear theme. IE, Citizen Service is presumably strong because of the extra naval capacity, but there are plenty of other civics that provide the same.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 16:48
|
|
|
No fun allowed. Sever imo
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 17:52
|
|
|
No custodian/emperor is poor imo, the intrigue and offering of benefits to players and the players trying to fight back against the Empire is a great part of gameplay. The civics though I can see.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:15
|
|
|
Electro-Boogie Jack posted:Does anyone have a good list of origins, civics, and empire types that are often banned in MP? Our ongoing game series has one player who keeps picking the most OP builds and going aggro while everyone else makes regular good builds, and now we're trying to figure out a pool of elements that are straight-up banned and another pool that are restricted to just picking one and not combining with others.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:23
|
|
|
DarkLich posted:I recently joined an MP group and they shared some empire creation rules. The PDF says "SCM" with a logo so I'm not sure if that's a larger Stellaris tournament org or something. Thanks, that's a good start. Obviously playing in something just short of god mode is fun for that player, not so much for everyone else when we're six weeks into a game and starting to realize that one guy is actually using whatever's considered most imba at the time.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:26
|
|
|
Splicer posted:Have you considered telling them to knock it the gently caress off? Hah, yeah, unfortunately it's the only person in the group that I don't know particularly well. In the first game where he did it - using the merchant spam build that was in vogue at the time and was nerfed multiple times while our game played out - we got every other player in the game to ally against him and squeezed out a victory, and I didn't think he would go online and just look up the new most OP build before our next game. Ooops, that one is my bad. HelloSailorSign posted:No custodian/emperor is poor imo, the intrigue and offering of benefits to players and the players trying to fight back against the Empire is a great part of gameplay. Yeah definitely allowing custodian/emperor, all the politicking and arguing around that is a lot of the fun of these games. The civics and origins are the thing to look at imo.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:34
|
|
|
Electro-Boogie Jack posted:Hah, yeah, unfortunately it's the only person in the group that I don't know particularly well. In the first game where he did it - using the merchant spam build that was in vogue at the time and was nerfed multiple times while our game played out - we got every other player in the game to ally against him and squeezed out a victory That actually sounds like a fun game to me - the group came together and beat the crisis
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:39
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:That actually sounds like a fun game to me - the group came together and beat the crisis It was, with a caveat - this isn't what anyone else had signed on for, and basically every other narrative in the game got flattened out by this guy's build. But yeah, it was still fun specifically because it worked out and we overcame the odds, and then in the next game we saw that even just one other player allying with him made it basically impossible to recreate that outcome. There was still some fun to be had in that game, mostly in the early game when everyone was busy with local conflicts, but in the end it was this dude with fleets larger than almost every other player combined rampaging around, and, uh, it would be nice to have everyone on something of an even playing field next time.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:45
|
|
|
Electro-Boogie Jack posted:It was, with a caveat - this isn't what anyone else had signed on for, and basically every other narrative in the game got flattened out by this guy's build. But yeah, it was still fun specifically because it worked out and we overcame the odds, and then in the next game we saw that even just one other player allying with him made it basically impossible to recreate that outcome. There was still some fun to be had in that game, mostly in the early game when everyone was busy with local conflicts, but in the end it was this dude with fleets larger than almost every other player combined rampaging around, and, uh, it would be nice to have everyone on something of an even playing field next time. Make a requirement for them to pick Doomsday origin.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 18:58
|
|
|
Stellaris has pretty consistent balance issues, so any multiplayer game where someone treats it like StarCraft is going to have Problems (tm),
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 19:06
|
|
|
Tbh we have agreed to not use Crisis trait in out friend games either because it's total horseshit.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 19:10
|
|
|
HelloSailorSign posted:Make a requirement for them to pick Doomsday origin. There was a pretty effective Doomsday robot build by Stefan. I tried it out once and it was very strong at the time. Quite possible nerfed since then though. I think if one person is ready to minmax within the confines of the rules and the others are more up for just a chill or RP game, the minmaxer will be very strong no matter what. The others just have to adapt a more aggressive build/play as well, accept losing in a similar manner every time or just kick the person from the group. I doubt some magic restrictions will hold that guy back. There are meta builds for MP games out there which have already excluded the most extremely overpowered stuff.. so if he wants to dominate, he can still look these up and follow gameplay instructions.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 19:43
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:I think if one person is ready to minmax within the confines of the rules and the others are more up for just a chill or RP game, the minmaxer will be very strong no matter what. That could be, but a player becoming very strong with a 'normal' build is fine IMO, all we're looking to avoid is the kind of build that sets people up for basically nonstop exponential growth with no downsides; like Kaal said it's not like this game isn't prone to weird balance issues. If they still end up the strongest - but not stronger than every other player combined - that's cool. I'm also hoping that this player will get the hint when we talk about certain builds being OP. if they dont then i dont know, lol, guess we'd have to deal with that in like three months after this next game wraps up
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 20:02
|
|
|
SirTagz posted:There was a pretty effective Doomsday robot build by Stefan. I tried it out once and it was very strong at the time. Quite possible nerfed since then though. Not familiar with that exact build but Doomsday + Machine Intelligence in general is extremely powerful. I don’t think it was nerfed, if anything, it got even stronger when they changed the cost of resettling pops from influence to unity.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 20:17
|
|
|
Electro-Boogie Jack posted:Does anyone have a good list of origins, civics, and empire types that are often banned in MP? Our ongoing game series has one player who keeps picking the most OP builds and going aggro while everyone else makes regular good builds, and now we're trying to figure out a pool of elements that are straight-up banned and another pool that are restricted to just picking one and not combining with others. Our Stellaris MP group (plug for mapgoons! we play games on maps. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3973361) is running with the following house rules next game: - no AIs, releasing vassal AIs or origins that spawn them (too easy to take advantage of dumb AI to make yourself powerful) - no attacking other players before 2230 (otherwise the person/s who corvette rush win) - no total war origins (fanatic purifiers, etc.) - no aquatic unless ocean paradise is taken (aquatic's too good) - no clone army (hilariously unbalanced early game start) - Rogue Servitors can't take prosperous unification orign and build Ecumenopolis - no crime megacorps (people who do this in MP are basically doing it to troll, they lose horribly but make it unfun for everyone else) - no become the crisis ascension perk, no declaring a player the crisis in galactic assembly - no barbaric/nihilist bomb-stealing pops before 2275 All of these came about because someone did them in MP and proved why they shouldn't be allowed. The last MP test game for example had a federation of criminal megacorps that would chain-place crime holdings on people's homeworlds, bypassing the placement timer. Paradox -really- doesn't test for balance in MP and it shows some times.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 20:31
|
|
|
This is the exactly reason I never play these games against anyone. I only play cooperatively.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 20:55
|
|
|
Lum_ posted:Our Stellaris MP group (plug for mapgoons! we play games on maps. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3973361) is running with the following house rules next game: Thanks. Funny to see rogue servitor and ecumenopolis on the list; we had an issue with a rogue servitor player using the remnant origin to get an easy ecu without needing to take the perk and then building habs so they didn't need to expand. I never would have even thought it would be an issue before that game. I gotta say though, declaring a player the crisis in the galactic assembly is exactly the sort of shenanigans that we've all found really fun. it actually played a role in helping us beat the OP build player when we made him the crisis over the objections of two players who hadn't realized how far ahead he was yet, and without it that game probably would have been lost. Charles 1998 posted:This is the exactly reason I never play these games against anyone. I only play cooperatively. We've normally ended up with people forming cooperative blocs based on who you start near, and then competing against other blocs towards the mid-game before the real fireworks go off during/after the crisis. It's a lot of fun and generates a lot of hilarious 'water-cooler' talk during the two or three months a game takes to play out, highly recommended if you have a group that's generally inclined to play mildly competitively and - at least with one exception - has the same outlook on what's fair and what isn't. Electro-Boogie Jack fucked around with this message at 20:59 on May 31, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 20:56
|
|
|
The problem is that it can be exploited by a federation with a bunch of influence in the senate to force a war against their enemies which ends up destroying the senate entirely. (again, this actually happened and is why the rule exists.) Generally any game mechanic which can take away player agency in MP is probably a bad thing.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 21:30
|
|
|
Lum_ posted:- no aquatic unless ocean paradise is taken (aquatic's too good)
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 22:08
|
|
|
Lum_ posted:The problem is that it can be exploited by a federation with a bunch of influence in the senate to force a war against their enemies which ends up destroying the senate entirely. (again, this actually happened and is why the rule exists.)
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 22:14
|
|
|
AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Wait, Aquatic is good? Unless they take Ocean Paradise? I dont understand.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 22:18
|
|
|
Citizen Service is banned because you can use it to grant gestalts citizenship, iirc. Those rules are pretty robust imo
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 23:07
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 20, 2024 15:48 |
|
|
Electro-Boogie Jack posted:Does anyone have a good list of origins, civics, and empire types that are often banned in MP? Our ongoing game series has one player who keeps picking the most OP builds and going aggro while everyone else makes regular good builds, and now we're trying to figure out a pool of elements that are straight-up banned and another pool that are restricted to just picking one and not combining with others. My friend group had a guy who would roleplay as Space North Korea every single time, eventually: Splicer posted:Have you considered telling them to knock it the gently caress off? Said player quit our group altogether, and nothing of value was lost.
|
|
#
?
May 31, 2022 23:49
|
|