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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Real hurthling! posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/allaboutsfo/status/1531708751958671360/photo/1

one of the replies has a newspaper bullet point list that mentions underground lakes

Right I see, so it's more like regular anor londo.

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Slavvy posted:

Right I see, so it's more like regular anor londo.

Yeah but this gives you faith if adjacent to a holy site.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Slavvy posted:

Sooo would that have had water at the bottom of the steps? Or do you jump in, enter the dark and fight the four kings?

Variable water level, so with stairs there's always stairs right down to the water even if it's low. No buckets on pullies.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Inspector Hound posted:

Variable water level, so with stairs there's always stairs right down to the water even if it's low. No buckets on pullies.

Literally how anor londo works even, incredible!

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Slavvy posted:

Literally how anor londo works even, incredible!

you mean new londo ruins

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I do indeed :negative: it's clearly been too long

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Antonymous posted:

you mean new londo ruins

its called londo because it's where the player londs

Mayman10
May 11, 2019


I went down into the cistern at Mycenae, it's all carved underground and somewhere between 2-3x the depth of this one but the accessible portion of water at a time was about the same size. Who knows what's accessible under the water, an underwater lake would rule

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
i'm pretty sure that you have to go down a tree to get to ash lake, so steps wouldn't help you much there

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/historydefined/status/1532101961822224384

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

its called londo because it's where the player londs

this new londer seeks to lond where the old londos londed

Petanque
Apr 14, 2008

Ca va bien aller
when the ottomans conquered anor londo they renamed it to londo alla turca

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020

the british simply called it london

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


palindrome posted:

the british simply called it london

and they squat in the ruins to this very day

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

palindrome posted:

the british simply called it london

im p sure that london is yharnam

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Cerebral Bore posted:

im p sure that london is yharnam

London is blight town

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
https://twitter.com/sonofaelfred/status/1532128294715498496
not sure if this is actually pre-modern history, as i'm pretty sure i've seen this guy at metal shows

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

fermun posted:

https://twitter.com/sonofaelfred/status/1532128294715498496
not sure if this is actually pre-modern history, as i'm pretty sure i've seen this guy at metal shows

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nat0rOEMCA

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

fermun posted:

https://twitter.com/sonofaelfred/status/1532128294715498496
not sure if this is actually pre-modern history, as i'm pretty sure i've seen this guy at metal shows

lemmy kilmister origin story confirmed

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

why'd they give him that earring. was he found with it. or just to lock my brain into seeing a man whose career is to unload guitar cases from a coach tour bus for a band who's last hit was in 1987

a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018


doesn’t look that big to me

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Antonymous posted:

why'd they give him that earring. was he found with it. or just to lock my brain into seeing a man whose career is to unload guitar cases from a coach tour bus for a band who's last hit was in 1987

I'd assume found with it. Was interesting to see it not include a torc which I thought was de rigueur barbarian fashion along with the baller rear end moustache though

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Azathoth posted:

I'd assume found with it. Was interesting to see it not include a torc which I thought was de rigueur barbarian fashion along with the baller rear end moustache though

hard to keep a torc in europe with so many manlii running around

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

https://twitter.com/RafaelmenaI/status/1415128311831797760



(the above two are from Scott and Stuart Gentling, , "1519: Wonders of Aztec Mexico")

Grevling has issued a correction as of 09:34 on Jun 3, 2022

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Free webcomic Aztec Empire has some cool depictions of Mexico at the time of contact and interesting takes on Cortes' expedition, all carefully researched from the looks of it:
https://bigredhair.com/books/aztec-empire/about/

Here's a nice video on the city state of Tlaxcala which had an interesting political life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVgNulhQ9Fg

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Tlaxcala also got mentioned in David Graeber and David Wengrow’s Dawn of Everything:


Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
xicotencatl's right

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Xicotencatl would have won

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

It's always intrigued me how despite Eurasia and the Americas having been completely separate worlds (mostly), many things would have been familiar to the Spanish as they arrived in Mesoamerica. They were also agriculturalists, lived in cities, had commoners and nobles, rulers and all the pomp and circumstance associated with that. Cortes just needed an interpreter to get a pretty good grasp of what was going on. Nothing I can think of would really have been totally alien to the conquistadors.

What I mean is they all descended from Atlantis.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Crusader posted:

Tlaxcala also got mentioned in David Graeber and David Wengrow’s Dawn of Everything:




dawn of everything's so good

i've often felt kind of disappointed by graeber (utopia of rules in particular) but dawn of everything is a grand slam

Grevling posted:

https://twitter.com/RafaelmenaI/status/1415128311831797760



(the above two are from Scott and Stuart Gentling, , "1519: Wonders of Aztec Mexico")



lol all of this owns

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1532202848879923200

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

that human skin suit is freaky as hell

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004


By the "fall" of the western empire rome had been an unimportant backwater for nearly 200 years, the dude who "collapsed" the empire still payed lip service to the other roman emperor and was even given money to go kill the other western emperor who was running around

and even after lombardy kinda fell apart the pope spent his time getting up everyones assess about everything

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

By the "fall" of the western empire rome had been an unimportant backwater for nearly 200 years, the dude who "collapsed" the empire still payed lip service to the other roman emperor and was even given money to go kill the other western emperor who was running around

and even after lombardy kinda fell apart the pope spent his time getting up everyones assess about everything

what's the connection with what rogers is saying?

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Tulip posted:

what's the connection with what rogers is saying?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ im just riffing on the theme, which is the fall is just a bunch of gradual changes and never like an explosion.

unless your the eastern romans where each change is a bunch of arabs or turks taking half of your territory and going "well what can you do1"

1 Piss off the venetians again it'll probably be fine

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


the fall of the western empire sucked a great deal for many people and lots of folks died. people may have lived meaningful happy lives while living in those territories at that time but they did so in materially and politically worse conditions than before

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Another thing about the Aztecs: they laid pipe.



https://twitter.com/RafaelmenaI/status/1529909638656929793

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Jazerus posted:

the fall of the western empire sucked a great deal for many people and lots of folks died. people may have lived meaningful happy lives while living in those territories at that time but they did so in materially and politically worse conditions than before

yeah I've seen lots of people try and make peace with the fact they can still be happy during periods of turmoil and decline

doesn't work like that bud, we're in for a hell of a ride. everyone thinks they're gonna live in aeris' house but we're in the sector 7 slums and that plate is creaking

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Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Jazerus posted:

the fall of the western empire sucked a great deal for many people and lots of folks died. people may have lived meaningful happy lives while living in those territories at that time but they did so in materially and politically worse conditions than before

yeah but like, the trend he's reacting to is the tendency to treat people who left little to no mark on the historical record or who lived in historically disfavored times as non-people, which is just the historical extension of the existing common belief that if somebody is sufficiently poor they don't have lives or desires and are unworthy of being treated with respect

like he's doing the same thing as "people living in north korea are still people," which is a statement that i'd consider non-controversial but a lot of libs take surprising issue with it

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