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drat, Amazon really punching below its weight class
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simmyb posted:Having to pay a separate fee beyond your taxes for firefighting sounds more like organised crime When I moved to a rural area I found out this was actually incredibly common. My own little town is the same way. The local fire department is volunteer, funded entirely by fundraisers and dues paid by those within the service area. Dues are $10 per year. They send a letter out every year saying they will still respond to a fire at your property even if you don't pay the dues, but you will receive a bill for services after the fact.
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stevewm posted:When I moved to a rural area I found out this was actually incredibly common. It's almost like people live in towns and cities for the mutual support and services a community brings in the first place or something
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simmyb posted:Having to pay a separate fee beyond your taxes for firefighting sounds more like organised crime there were no taxes because he lived somewhere with no fire department. most rural counties are unable to provide any services other maybe a part time sheriff and a couple deputies really this all comes down to federalism and many being confused about how can a place not have cops, firefighters or paramedics. in most other countries there are national police and other services that are required to provide those services everywhere. not so in the US - if a state wants to provide fire service everywhere in its borders it could hobbesmaster has issued a correction as of 14:33 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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hobbesmaster posted:there were no taxes because he lived somewhere with no fire department. most rural counties are unable to provide any services other maybe a part time sheriff and a couple deputies Where I grew up people repeatedly refused to vote to incorporate as a town or city because HIGHER TAXES!!! so... we all paid (proportionally increased) taxes to the county, which paid the neighboring two cities to provide services. So we were literally just paying the exact same higher taxes already, except to the cities next to ours, which we had no voting power over.
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Also the US actually has a federal firefighting service already it's just they're busy fighting never-ending forest fires
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hobbesmaster posted:there were no taxes because he lived somewhere with no fire department. most rural counties are unable to provide any services other maybe a part time sheriff and a couple deputies I live in a town with an official population of 370. The only services provided by the town are sewer, repair of the couple miles of roads in the town, and rental of the community center building. There is a constable who works part time, but all he seems to do is sit at one of the busier intersections in town and ticket all the people that roll through the stop sign. Any other services are handled by the county government. From my understanding the town's only income is a small percentage of the property taxes from the properties inside the town limits, and of course the sewer charges. My uncle happens to be the guy who keeps the sewer pumps going and also does basic maintenance of the town building. He said if anything major happened to the sewer pumping station, they basically have no money to fix it. So that is comforting.
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Shame Boy posted:Also the US actually has a federal firefighting service already it's just they're busy fighting never-ending forest fires Are you talking about the prison slave labor firefighters?
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poemdexter posted:Are you talking about the prison slave labor firefighters? Nah the other ones, the ones we barely pay and expect to work like 20 hour days but aren't in prison.
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firefighters are extremely well paid
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boar guy posted:firefighters who do jack poo poo are extremely well paid
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"The average salary for a firefighter is $51,772 per year in the United States." "According to the May 2020 National Occupational Employment and Wages Estimates by the BLS, the average salary in the United States is $56,316" now that’s what I call extremely well paid.
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I only even know about the federal firefighters in the first place from the following headline from october of last year:quote:Under a new bipartisan bill, federal wildland firefighters would make at least $20 per hour. I get to haul out into the middle of nowhere and put my life in danger and I could get a whole crisp twenty dollars for it, golly!
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quote:In August, the administration implemented a plan to ensure all federal firefighters, whose base salary is currently $13.75 per hour, make at least $15 per hour. Also sponsoring the bill are California Democratic Reps. Katie Porter and Salud Carbajal. I like the implication that right now you wouldn't even get your $13.75 an hour if you had to be there but were not actively squirting water on something I guess
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 plus you can retire at 39 with a full pension its a pretty good deal considering you mostly get paid to accompany EMS to heart attack calls
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cops are worthless, firefighters and emt are not. simple enough
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bob dobbs is dead posted:cops are worthless, firefighters and emt are not. simple enough nah firefighters are laregely chud dickheads too
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boar guy posted:
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DACK FAYDEN posted:holy poo poo that stealthy "bilingual" under the final number rofl it is CA, after all half the applicants are naturally bilingual
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DACK FAYDEN posted:holy poo poo that stealthy "bilingual" under the final number rofl I mean I would pay extra for a firefighter that can speak fire, sure
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screaming ohaiogozaimasu at the firefighters until i find a weeb
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Shame Boy posted:I mean I would pay extra for a firefighter that can speak fire, sure *rolls a nat 20 on a charisma check* You successfully convince the fire to confine itself to a single room of the house
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:*rolls a nat 20 on a charisma check* You successfully convince the fire to confine itself to a single room of the house Drama [Easy: Failure] - The fire knows best how it started, sire. Human spontaneous combustion is the likely cause.
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Shear Modulus posted:Drama [Easy: Failure] - The fire knows best how it started, sire. Human spontaneous combustion is the likely cause. I appreciate that you included Drama's correct verbal tic
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boar guy posted:nah firefighters are laregely chud dickheads too Critically they do fight fires when fires occur. There is a job that needs to be done and they generally attempt to do it. Most of them don't look like they would get winded walking up a single flight of stairs either. Between fires there is a lot of dicking around, but that's the price of having them hanging around on call all day.
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How much are we paying firefighters to not fight fires? We need to make them more efficient. Treat them like the police, have them drive around on patrol looking for fires to put out and make sure they hit a quota of fires put out per month. Just like the police, they'll suddenly be motivated to find fires to put out at the end of the month that would otherwise have been undetected.
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Without firefighters how would we get firefighter calendars for all the sad soccer moms of the world
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boar guy posted:nah firefighters are laregely chud dickheads too Especially since it's not even enough to buy a house in most parts of the state where people are. That top salary is for specialists who have stuff like HAZWOPER incident commander training if I recall correctly, well either that or they aren't paying the folks who do HAZWOPER incident command much more, though there might be some extra incentive like letting them double dip and be retired/on pension and take home that salary for what's largely an on call job that gets 1 or 2 calls per year. You're not wrong about a ton of chud firefighters though, and I think the cops have been pretty smart about increasingly refering to anti-cop protests as 'anti-first responder' to try and rope EMTs and firefighters into their siege mentality. What's weird is there's usually a split in the local FD in states like CA where the staff that handles CUPA and environmental stuff are pretty liberal.
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Shear Modulus posted:How much are we paying firefighters to not fight fires? We need to make them more efficient. Treat them like the police, have them drive around on patrol looking for fires to put out and make sure they hit a quota of fires put out per month. Just like the police, they'll suddenly be motivated to find fires to put out at the end of the month that would otherwise have been undetected. 
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mawarannahr posted:"The average salary for a firefighter is $51,772 per year in the United States." that says average salary which likely means mean, so they're probably still above the median
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Shear Modulus posted:that says average salary which likely means mean, so they're probably still above the median Would you define "extremely well-paid" as "above the median"
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Shear Modulus posted:How much are we paying firefighters to not fight fires? We need to make them more efficient. Treat them like the police, have them drive around on patrol looking for fires to put out and make sure they hit a quota of fires put out per month. Just like the police, they'll suddenly be motivated to find fires to put out at the end of the month that would otherwise have been undetected. they could also hose down homeless people and their encampments as a means of preventative fire control
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mawarannahr posted:"The average salary for a firefighter is $51,772 per year in the United States." Median household income was $67,521 in 2020. Meaning 50% of households made less do firefighters work full time?
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"extremely well paid" means flying first class once or twice a year on a vacation out of the country with your family. If your money comes from being paid you're not extremely anything
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a computer toucher might make $200,000 and be extremely well paid, but the owner of the company's wealth is increasing in the tens of millions or hundreds of millions and has a private air service so they don't go to the airport with us schmucks so please have some class conciousness
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boar guy posted:
good for them, I'm not running into a burning building
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boar guy posted:nah firefighters are laregely chud dickheads too What the gently caress In France firefighters show up to violent protests and start doing ridiculous coordinated streetfight dance moves to take out entire lines of police defences before acting as armour against gendarmerie. In Australia they go after politicians to call them cunts. In the UK the fbu ran candidates under Wilson, disaffiliated with the labour party because Blair was scum, reaffilated as a direct response to corbyn's leadership, and just narrowly voted against another full disaffiliation while serving notice that their interest in funding reheheated blairism is non-existent. They're the leftiest of the services, the most diverse service, and the archetypal proletarian hero. You can't tell me America hosed that up. You're wrong. Not having it.
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Spangly A posted:You can't tell me America hosed that up. Okay I won't tell you then
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