|
There's also a distinction between laying down and pretending to be a regular skeleton and turning into a pile of unconnected bones.
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 23:26 |
|
|
I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:13
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something. You can clearly detect them with a mouse-over.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:14
|
|
|
Uncontrollable giggling.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:15
|
|
|
Lazy rib.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:16
|
|
|
The pathfinder 2e magus has "heavily armored 2 handed warrior" "lightly armored unarmed fighter" "Sword and Shield and by Shield we mean your heavily reinforced spellbook actually" "Bow and arrow" and "Weirdly hosed up magic staff" built in from the start.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:32
|
|
|
I mean it makes sense considering presumably an animated skeleton has something holding their body together in lieu of like, flesh and sinew and such. Not every one necessarily can turn that off and on at will. Can you hit people with your heavily reinforced spellbook?
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:33
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something. Pathfinder 2e makes it explicitly clear that NPCs can do whatever the GM thinks is interesting, skeletons in general don't need the feat.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:33
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:I mean it makes sense considering presumably an animated skeleton has something holding their body together in lieu of like, flesh and sinew and such. Not every one necessarily can turn that off and on at will. Sort of, there's a feat that lets you fuse your spellbook and shield together, which turns your shield into a bookmark within your spellbook, and from that point on you can just treat your spellbook as a shield. So you could use it to shield bash. Prior to that you can just get a special action that lets you "raise your tome" in any situation where you'd normally be allowed to "raise a shield".
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 04:37
|
|
|
My introduction to tabletop gaming was a group that was Pathfinder only, anti DnD 4, and even more anti-DnD 5 when it came out. And anti-2.0 when it came out. Although very pro Starfinder. I think the identity thing mentioned in the above post was some of it, although it wasn't necessarily talk of systems where the loyalty to was, at least early a few people in the group said it was because pathfinder was a more welcoming space to queer and non-white individuals (which is what this group often mostly made up of depending on the time). I don't know poo poo about D&D before 5E and have only been in one other in-person gaming group, so I can't say poo poo on this but just thought I'd throw that out there since it was less grog related, as only one of the regulars was a power gamer and most of us were content with giving her that spotlight).
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 05:13
|
|
|
Rick posted:My introduction to tabletop gaming was a group that was Pathfinder only, anti DnD 4, and even more anti-DnD 5 when it came out. And anti-2.0 when it came out. Although very pro Starfinder. I don't know if I'd say Pathfinder is more "open" to queer and non-white people. It did introduce queer and non-white iconic characters as a form of representation, which was good. I think Pathfinder/Paizo did like to ride on that reputation while not really being that great behind the scenes, but it's not any different than D&D/Wizards of the Cost in that way. Mentioning this now though, I'm honestly surprised 5e didn't bring back the concept of iconic characters for each class actually. Magic already basically does the same thing with Planeswalker characters and it lets them put a lot of interesting people in promotional material.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 05:34
|
|
|
Rick posted:My introduction to tabletop gaming was a group that was Pathfinder only, anti DnD 4, and even more anti-DnD 5 when it came out. And anti-2.0 when it came out. Although very pro Starfinder. You aren't painting your group in a good light and the "inclusivity" narrative falls flat when you mention that they pooped on 2.0.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 05:39
|
|
|
There's definitely a period during Pathfinder 1e where I would say Paizo was better at representation than D&D. Partially because D&D 4e had no characters period because they didn't do many adventures, partially because Paizo grew past their early "don't ask us about iconics' sexuality, we aren't getting into that drama" impulses and started including some good representation in their adventure paths. It probably helped that it felt like after a point Erik Mona was the only writer still invested in Golarion having a bunch of annoyingly direct pastiches of real life locations. Personally Paizo lost me late in 1e, after the Shifter iconic was asexual and her introductory fiction was really ham-handed about it. It just made it feel like they were only doing representation in order to check off a box. (This was also when they were running out of new content to make in the first place, as previously discussed, so it wasn't exactly hard to stop caring.) Now that it's a few years later and we're pretty deep into 2e, I feel like I can say that Paizo as a company probably isn't into diversity for the right reasons, but they know which way the wind is blowing and the people actually writing the books are invested in putting a lot of earnest representation in these books.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 05:45
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 05:49
|
|
|
MadScientistWorking posted:No that's just a poor misunderstanding of the rules on your part. You can use deception to pretend to be a skeleton without that feat. It just removes the randomness of the d20 roll because its the equivalent of taking 10. It's even more than that, taking the feat means enemies/NPCs have to be actively looking for you with Seek or Recall Knowledge actions to figure you out. In a lot of situations its an automatic success.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 06:01
|
|
|
I was going to make a comment about "it'd make sense if you have to conceal the eldritch runes inscribed on your bones or your glowing eyes or whatever," but now I'm just imagining that every skeleton manifests their thoughts as floating glowing letters around them, because "you are a dasharez0ne meme all the time and have to suppress it if you're trying to hide" is too good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 06:45
|
|
|
Honestly the strangest bit is that they are an “ancestry” with “heritages” so skeletons are born to skeleton parents in skeleton families and have traits passed down their line of skeletons
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 07:11
|
|
|
hyphz posted:Honestly the strangest bit is that they are an “ancestry” with “heritages” so skeletons are born to skeleton parents in skeleton families and have traits passed down their line of skeletons
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 07:25
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something. An anxious rattling of bones?
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 08:38
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something. You know when you're wandering through a place in Elden Ring and you look at the piles of bones and think 'those skeletons are absolutely going to get up and attack me in a moment'? I figure it's a lot like that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 08:40
|
|
|
hyphz posted:Honestly the strangest bit is that they are an “ancestry” with “heritages” so skeletons are born to skeleton parents in skeleton families and have traits passed down their line of skeletons That's just the terminology that Pathfinder has settled on for "Races" and "Subraces". It's less "You are descended from a long line of bestial skeletons" and more "Your necromancer used a bunch of bear bones when they were putting you back together." or "Your source material was a halfling so you're smol."
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 13:53
|
|
|
There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Pathfinder 2e, but "they make you choose between what's flavorful and cool and what's actually mechanically good" isn't one of them. Racial feats, skill feats, general feats, and class feats are all silo'd off into their own progression trees. You don't have to choose between Rad Skeleton poo poo and major class features, you get to pick which Rad Skeleton poo poo you want.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 14:09
|
|
|
Froghammer posted:There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Pathfinder 2e, but "they make you choose between what's flavorful and cool and what's actually mechanically good" isn't one of them. Racial feats, skill feats, general feats, and class feats are all silo'd off into their own progression trees. You don't have to choose between Rad Skeleton poo poo and major class features, you get to pick which Rad Skeleton poo poo you want. This is my favorite thing about Pathfinder 2e. I don't love it overall, but I appreciate the effort they put into letting people just keep being the cool thing. It does interfere with mechanical optimization, but that is more feature than bug.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
It's not perfect by any means--sometimes the gap between "what is useful" and "what is flavorful" in the same category is pretty huge (looking at you, skill feats)--but it's way better than its predecessor in that regard.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 16:53
|
|
|
Nuns with Guns posted:Mentioning this now though, I'm honestly surprised 5e didn't bring back the concept of iconic characters for each class actually. Magic already basically does the same thing with Planeswalker characters and it lets them put a lot of interesting people in promotional material. Well, they decided to make their "iconic" characters Elminister, Tasha, Mordenkainen, Fizban, Volo... basically, if you're an old, white wizard, you can be proud that you're finally getting the representation that's been missing for all these years. I guess there's Xanathar too, for all of you floating orbs out there.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 17:14
|
|
|
Alien Rope Burn posted:I guess there's Xanathar too, for all of you floating orbs out there. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 17:23
|
|
|
Bring back Redgar, just to have him relentlessly clowned on again.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 18:01
|
|
|
Antivehicular posted:I like the implication that a non-feat-having skeleton lying down and pretending to be inanimate has to make a roll and can fail it. What are the tells here? They can't exactly get caught breathing or get an itchy nose or something. They're drawn differently from the background like an old hanna barbera cartoon.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 19:22
|
|
|
MarsPearl posted:They're drawn differently from the background like an old hanna barbera cartoon. Look out, they're on an animation cel!
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 19:30
|
|
|
Improbable Lobster posted:Look out, they're on an animation cel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6xPGDkWNHo
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 19:50
|
|
|
Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, they decided to make their "iconic" characters Elminister, Tasha, Mordenkainen, Fizban, Volo... basically, if you're an old, white wizard, you can be proud that you're finally getting the representation that's been missing for all these years. You're forgetting old white vampires like Strahd.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2022 23:44
|
|
|
Libertad! posted:You're forgetting old white vampires like Strahd. Good point, but we all know he casts spells. And they ain’t druid spells.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 01:40
|
|
|
MarsPearl posted:They're drawn differently from the background like an old hanna barbera cartoon. Heck, it might look like that if skeleton adventurer has been taking care of his bones and they're all clean and white and not dusty and cobwebbed.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 08:33
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:Heck, it might look like that if skeleton adventurer has been taking care of his bones and they're all clean and white and not dusty and cobwebbed. Skeleton: polishing my bones Wizard: buffing my staff Druid: tending the lily Barbarian: would you guys shut up I'm trying to wank
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 10:34
|
|
|
Libertad! posted:You're forgetting old white vampires like Strahd. He ain't white, honey. He dead.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 16:23
|
|
|
Old wight guy.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 21:12
|
|
|
Strahd is a man of privilege and power who uses his position to exploit and abuse others without consequence and to relentlessly pursue young, vulnerable women. He’s the most accurate portrayal of an old white guy yet.
|
|
#
?
Jun 4, 2022 21:53
|
|
|
Can we please stop talking about Paizo for a second? ... Okay, time for more Paizo. https://twitter.com/paizo/status/1532858479181979648?t=MqMpT_iMq2nIqkVqRXpd0g&s=19
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2022 03:00
|
|
|
If you're running a con just put out a preemptive statement that everyone attending will be be exposed to covid, just to get it out of the way
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2022 03:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 23:26 |
|
|
CoughCon
|
|
#
?
Jun 5, 2022 03:20
|
|