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tgacon posted:I think it is also a function of our highest-profile assassin--John Wilkes Booth--basically getting everything he could have hoped for out of killing Lincoln By handing power to an anti-reconstruction Democrat, thus ensuring the South stayed a festering wound on the country, one could make a convincing argument that JWB effectively put the country on a path that will eventually destroy it.
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Total Party Kill posted:By handing power to an anti-reconstruction Democrat, thus ensuring the South stayed a festering wound on the country, one could make a convincing argument that JWB effectively put the country on a path that will eventually destroy it. JB: "I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood." JWB: ight, imma head out
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tgacon posted:I think it is also a function of our highest-profile assassin--John Wilkes Booth--basically getting everything he could have hoped for out of killing Lincoln We need to be teaching people instead that Hinckley never got his girl.
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Gumball Gumption posted:We need to be teaching people instead that Hinckley never got his girl. On the other hand, he is now playing to sold-out venues on his comeback tour: https://www.newsweek.com/john-hinckley-jr-brooklyn-concert-sold-out-1697693 https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnHinckley20/status/1532114211438051329
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Cranappleberry posted:propaganda works. It really, really does. It's incredibly effective and add that into the new media environment on social media, designed to drive engagement (and making people upset/angry is the best way to drive it), one that human minds are susceptible to, and there you have it. Yep. I keep emphasizing this when the subject of messaging comes up as a glaring weak spot in the DNC's game. Another nicer word for it is simply "advertising". There's a loving reason McDonalds, Coke and Budweiser spend loving millions on Super Bowl ads every year even though everyone know what a Big Mac pr a Bud Light is. It's repetition, word association and branding that drills its way into your head whether you want it to or not. I saw an American Flag decorated case of Budweiser last weekend even though their company isn't owned in the US. It said it was "brewed and canned in the USA" and I'm not even sure about that either but they print on the box. The overall effect is that Budweiser is the king of American Beers that real patriots drink and that knifes its way into people's brains. Most everything the Democrats do seems to come with a needlessly complicated explanation attached to it. That's not how advertising or messaging works and it's where people tune out. Typically computer ads don't dig too deep in technical specs (some of the print ones do but those are targeted at the geek and gamer audience). They just show happy people making slideshows with their kids in them, balancing their checkbooks and watching movies seamlessly at the touch of a button. It's frustrating because good leftist policies are generally self explanatory and should write their message inherently since they're based on truth and simple facts. Not even going to get into "Defund the Police" but will mention Hillary's "I'm With HER" slogan when "She's With US" was right there and you can also make "US" into "U.S." with two little periods (shaped like stars if you want to).
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Turns out there's not billions in profit to be made with left wing media empires broadcasting messages based in reality and proposing to actually fix things. Right wing fear mongering and encouraging hatred of any given targeted minority out group sure is profitable though. Gets lots of eyeballs and those delicious clicky clickies for ad revenue.
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BiggerBoat posted:Yep. part of it is also obfuscation. It's anchoring ideas in the psyche or connecting ideas that might actually be totally unrelated except in the context that is established by the propaganda. Ideas or concepts like beer and sexuality or grooming children and a teacher explaining "some people have two dads and that's okay" but it's explained by a much more sinister and also false narrative. The democrats also obfuscate. Their explanations are designed to explain in important-sounding terms why they can't actually do something the people they represent want. Often times things that conflict with what other groups want but also often times things that conflict with what their donors want. They're still bad at messaging but they know there is a group that will buy this explanation and use it both as justification and explanation. These don't necessarily appeal to the "lizard brain" or guts of most voters. They appeal to stans or political grognards. To most gut-feeling voters they appear to be the excuses they often are.
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Cranappleberry posted:part of it is also obfuscation. It's anchoring ideas in the psyche or connecting ideas that might actually be totally unrelated except in the context that is established by the propaganda. Ideas or concepts like beer and sexuality or grooming children and a teacher explaining "some people have two dads and that's okay" but it's explained by a much more sinister and also false narrative. In other words, don't get caught up in  .Dems would get more votes if they at least tried to appeal to voter's guts, but that would also mean occasionally doing meaningful things. edit: I think a better way to put that is that Dems (and insulated DC freaks in general) have been getting high off their own supply for too long. There's a reason why "inside the beltway" is such a cliche. I see that kind of out-of-touch thinking all the time from friends of mine in DC. Good people, but they really don't understand what's going on in the real world, and don't even have the mental tools to do so. Case in point, this article: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/joe-biden-messaging-struggles/ cat botherer fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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He must have known something was coming because he was all over TV yesterday melting down on anyone who would give him airtime's shows.
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BiggerBoat posted:Yep. The beer is indeed brewed and canned in the US, there's a factory in St. Louis that does quite a lot of it. But Anhauser-Bush got hostile taken over by InBev, and was a big enough transaction that resulting company had to chop something off to get around anti-trust laws. The company is now known as AmInBev S/V and owns over 400 brands of beer. The company is based out of Belgium.
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They are claiming that it was sealed 'until Navarro was arrested': https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1532757866507079680?s=20&t=cFiY0iubH8Tfst0krtLE3w Was he actually arrested?
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CommieGIR posted:They are claiming that it was sealed 'until Navarro was arrested': edit: he's been arrested https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1532763662318022656 Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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Lib and let die posted:JB: "I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood." I won a 1800's Silver Dollar in Elementary School by knowing JWB was at the hanging of JB (this was in the 1960's).
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:edit: I'm allowing myself to be happy about this for five to ten minutes.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:edit: Jurney v. MacCracken, motherfuckers! yessss! Sorry, I love that case. The whole air mail scandal's a hoot, and the mechanism of inherent contempt is so bizzare. I wonder where they're holding him.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:edit: Didn't he say he would risk going to jail thinking that he doesn't need to speak up unless explicitly permitted by Trump?
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CmdrRiker posted:Didn't he say he would risk going to jail thinking that he doesn't need to speak up unless explicitly permitted by Trump? Yes. But by that seem metric, he also said in about as many words “Here is the complete outline of my plan to steal the 2020 election to keep Donald Trump in power illegally, which the President has fully signed off on… OH SHI—“ into multiple live broadcasting and recording television cameras. In a just world, he would be turbofucked. But this is reality and it is America so this just a temporary unplanned vacation for him paid for by the US DOJ.
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BiggerBoat posted:Most everything the Democrats do seems to come with a needlessly complicated explanation attached to it. That's not how advertising or messaging works and it's where people tune out. Typically computer ads don't dig too deep in technical specs (some of the print ones do but those are targeted at the geek and gamer audience). They just show happy people making slideshows with their kids in them, balancing their checkbooks and watching movies seamlessly at the touch of a button. It's frustrating because good leftist policies are generally self explanatory and should write their message inherently since they're based on truth and simple facts. Comlicated explanations are a symptom of compromised policy. It's easy to say "we're giving you heatlhcare" but since they're not, it's complicated.
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Alex Pareene has a good, short article pointing out that the government's complete inability and unwillingness to solve problems could lead to the general public deciding that democracy is not a good or desirable form of government. We talk about people not voting because they think it doesn't matter, but if people really think that democracy is incapable of improving their lives, something like a "one man, one vote, one time" pitch gets a lot more attractive. https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1529456969643446273?s=20&t=fNSpoT6e8Y1LsUHaODfHlQ
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Jaxyon posted:Comlicated explanations are a symptom of compromised policy. Excellent point and a great example. We'll call it...the AFFORDABLE* Care Act. *Now here's why it's not affordable and entirely an Act. Sorry. It was just the best we can do but, hey, it's a start, right? Now please send us money. Old Gil really needs this one, boy.
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Gripweed posted:Alex Pareene has a good, short article pointing out that the government's complete inability and unwillingness to solve problems could lead to the general public deciding that democracy is not a good or desirable form of government. We talk about people not voting because they think it doesn't matter, but if people really think that democracy is incapable of improving their lives, something like a "one man, one vote, one time" pitch gets a lot more attractive. "Well, people are being rounded up and imprisoned for being immigrants or getting abortions, but legislation is actually passing, so it's impossible to say if this is good or bad" - 40% of Americans
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Sodomy Hussein posted:"Well, people are being rounded up and imprisoned for being immigrants or getting abortions, but legislation is actually passing, so it's impossible to say if this is good or bad" - 40% of Americans The only 40 percent of Americans mentioned in that piece are under-30s who still approve of Joe Biden. Is that what you meant, or are you referring to something else in Parene's piece?
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Sodomy Hussein posted:"Well, people are being rounded up and imprisoned for being immigrants or getting abortions, but legislation is actually passing, so it's impossible to say if this is good or bad" - 40% of Americans That's kinda the deal fascism makes with it's supporters. "Give us political power, we'll use that power to hurt the targeted out group that we've convinced you are the cause of your problems." That's what makes Trump's base so cultishly devoted to him. For, like, 60 years now the general population of the U.S. has gotten nothing, politically speaking, from their elected officials. Voters don't get fired up and enthusiastic about tax cuts for the 1%, deregulation, and more money for the military industrial complex but that has been the only thing on the table from both parties. It's been endless gaslighting, politician speak, and bullshit for generations. When the fascists come along and promise they'll hurt the 'right' people, well, gently caress it, nobody else is offering them anything. Might as well go with spite and anger to hurt the 'other'. At least they're getting something they want out of the deal.
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Louie Gohmert worried that Republicans can’t even lie to the FBI anymore since they’ll get arrested. https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1532776813692342272?s=21&t=mOZe5xc8XQUx1wg9qSaMng
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Sodomy Hussein posted:"Well, people are being rounded up and imprisoned for being immigrants or getting abortions, but legislation is actually passing, so it's impossible to say if this is good or bad" - 40% of Americans If someone with any amount of credibility, and I know it's hard to think of one these days so let's just say Dwayne Johnson, if Dwayne Johnson ran for election in 2024 as an independent with the platform of "If elected I will immediately declare a state of emergency, dissolve Congress, and rule by executive order until this country is set right and people can live without fear and with faith in the future?" what counterarguments would the Republicans and Democrats be able to mount against that? Remember, things are only going to get worse. After two more years of school shootings, two more years of rising house prices, two more years of rising food prices. If that's not enough, what about in 6 years? How much longer can things keep getting worse before people will be willing to take a chance at a different political system?
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Ringo Star Get posted:Louie Gohmert worried that Republicans can’t even lie to the FBI anymore since they’ll get arrested. Louie is very smart https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/03/more-than-20-gopers-pleaded-trump-do-more-jan-6/ Here's an accounting of Republicans that we know called the White House on January 6, alarmed that the president was causing and doing nothing to stop a riot in congress. Most of these have tried to minimize and lie about it in public since. Sure was a fun 48 hours before they all just lined up and declared him president-in-exile. quote:Members of Congress
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Gripweed posted:If someone with any amount of credibility, and I know it's hard to think of one these days so let's just say Dwayne Johnson, if Dwayne Johnson ran for election in 2024 as an independent with the platform of "If elected I will immediately declare a state of emergency, dissolve Congress, and rule by executive order until this country is set right and people can live without fear and with faith in the future?" what counterarguments would the Republicans and Democrats be able to mount against that? The Republicans would immediately draft Johnson into their primary because the chuds would be howling for it. They don't need a counterargument because The Rock says he's going to enact their ultimate goals
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Louie is very smart
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Louie is very smart Kind of fascinating to see them realize/decide in real time that their only way out is through and to just start doubling down
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Gripweed posted:If someone with any amount of credibility, and I know it's hard to think of one these days so let's just say Dwayne Johnson, if Dwayne Johnson ran for election in 2024 as an independent with the platform of "If elected I will immediately declare a state of emergency, dissolve Congress, and rule by executive order until this country is set right and people can live without fear and with faith in the future?" what counterarguments would the Republicans and Democrats be able to mount against that? As someone from Washington State, that has seen Walking Tall, and a wrestling fan; this puts me in an uncomfortable position.
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BlueBlazer posted:As someone from Washington State, that has seen Walking Tall, and a wrestling fan; this puts me in an uncomfortable position. I'd vote for Corporate Heel Rock if he cut promos every time he got in front of a microphone. I bet Mick Foley would too
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HonorableTB posted:I'd vote for Corporate Heel Rock if he cut promos every time he got in front of a microphone. I bet Mick Foley would too President Komacho was both a model citizen and politician.
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Going to go with my unpopular opinion that it should not be illegal to lie to law enforcement until you are on the stand.
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BlueBlazer posted:President Komacho was both a model citizen and politician.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Joe Biden has never once given the plants what they crave. Probably just pours water on them, like out of the toilet.
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selec posted:Going to go with my unpopular opinion that it should not be illegal to lie to law enforcement until you are on the stand. I like the idea of "admitting" to like twenty different crimes when picked up then when you get to court going "lol no obviously I didn't chop him up, are you serious"
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McCormick has just conceded to Oz in the PA race, meaning it's Oz vs Fetterman in the general. I expect a lot of media attention on that race.
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selec posted:Going to go with my unpopular opinion that it should not be illegal to lie to law enforcement until you are on the stand. what's the advantage over invoking one's right to silence?
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Discendo Vox posted:McCormick has just conceded to Oz in the PA race, meaning it's Oz vs Fetterman in the general. I expect a lot of media attention on that race. Fetterman's cardiologist was talking about the stroke he had a while back and casually dropped that fetterman also has cardiomyopathy
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