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Imaginary Friend posted:Is there a general plan for what will happen with all the weapons after the war? Will every Ukrainian farmer with a tractor have their own missile system in their backyard? New advances in ballistic farming technology mean we can now plough and plant a square kilometer of land in about 5 minutes, and from up to 20 miles away! No need to leave your farmyard.
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steinrokkan posted:Are you doing a bit Yes, i was making a joke on my illiteracy by further confusing Hegel and Gogol
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Ukraine will be a worse capitalist hellscape post war when the Odessa Mafia has a missile destroyer under their control
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With all the artillery playing a huge role I wondered how counter battery works. How do you know where these shells are fired from?
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Arson at headquarters of Rosgvardia, Russia’s national guard, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur (far east). https://twitter.com/doxa_journal/status/1532994064466984960
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LochNessMonster posted:With all the artillery playing a huge role I wondered how counter battery works. How do you know where these shells are fired from? Usually radar
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LochNessMonster posted:With all the artillery playing a huge role I wondered how counter battery works. How do you know where these shells are fired from? You have short-wavelength radars scanning for shells, connected to dedicated ballistic computers that use the radar track of the incoming shell to back-calculate the firing point. This is then fed to your own artillery automatically, which then fire at the original launch point. As you can see, this can take literally seconds. Hence the need to "shoot and scoot" in very short windows of time. Bullshit numbers follow:. If you fire a rocket from 20km away from a ready counter battery unit, say it takes 60 seconds until you get a solution, and 60 seconds to dial the location in and fire. At 1000m/s shell velocity, the round will have a time on target of 20 seconds. So about 140 seconds after they fire, you start dropping rounds on them. And you know where they are!
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LochNessMonster posted:With all the artillery playing a huge role I wondered how counter battery works. How do you know where these shells are fired from? Radar and trajectory calculations. It's an intricate thing. Worth a dive that is more extensive than SA posting can be
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Chalks posted:Usually radar The sound ranging and flash spotting sections were part of field survey units and used to locate enemy units. A typical observation group had four survey posts that covered a corps frontage and were situated according to the terrain to be able to spot the muzzle flashes of enemy guns. Survey posts were coordinated at group headquarters by a flash and sound buzzer board that ensured that posts were oriented on the same flash. Complementing flash spotting were sound ranging sections, which consisted of six microphones positioned in an arc between 7000 and 9000 yards in length and about 3000 yards behind the line. The microphones were attuned to the low frequency report of a gun sound wave, with an effective range of about 12,000 yards. The time difference of the report reaching each microphone was correlated at the section headquarters and the gun location plotted. Sound ranging could determine the calibre of the enemy gun and its target, which was useful for collating hostile battery information. By 1917, the sound ranging apparatus was also used with calibration screens to determine muzzle velocity, droop and jump of artillery which increased accuracy https://www.artilleryhistory.org/history_seminar_series/seminar_no_11_november_2018/seminar_11_documents/seminar_11_speaker_1_notes.pdf
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Imaginary Friend posted:Is there a general plan for what will happen with all the weapons after the war? Will every Ukrainian farmer with a tractor have their own missile system in their backyard? quote:“Once the guns fall silent [in Ukraine], the illegal weapons will come. We know this from many other theatres of conflict. The criminals are even now, as we speak, focusing on them,” Stock said.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Drones most of the time. Drones are only good for counter battery if you are already in position to see it, and Ukraine's been provided with counter battery radars.
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CommieGIR posted:Drones are only good for counter battery if you are already in position to see it, and Ukraine's been provided with counter battery radars. Drones are great for counter battery if you send them to where your radar contact came from so you can pass target coordinates to wherever they displace to after firing. Shells have to get there before they move out of the way of the impact, drones only have to get there before they move out of sight.
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Why We Fight The largest Orthodox wooden church in Ukraine is burning – the Wooden All Saints Skete was attacked by Ukrainian militants… Why? Because it is a Moscow, Russia Orthodox Church… Ukraine shelled it. Why? Because they are Nazi… This is why Ukraine will never get the lands back. Ever never and they keep this stuff up. They will loose the whole country… https://windowstorussia.com/wooden-...in-ukraine.html
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Must be another day that ends with a Y. https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1533040940033748993 the popes toes posted:Why We Fight https://twitter.com/hromadske/status/1533049676924166145 Not the first time it would’ve been shelled by Russia this week either - https://news.yahoo.com/three-monks-killed-russian-shelling-122500710.html
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the popes toes posted:Why We Fight Scorched earth Baby.
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the popes toes posted:And from clown car journalism, here's today's bleating: I don't get who this kind of "journalism" is for? I doubt many Americans are up on the nuance of whether or not Crimea is part of Russia. So, I guess this is to try to get people to be mad that Ukraine will attack "Russia," and beg the question about Crimea's status. On the other hand, I would think that most Americans' reactions to being told that Ukraine is on the counter attack into Russia using American weapons would be to say "good." Maybe this is more of the strategy to produce voluminous amounts of propaganda and wear people out with fake complexity?
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https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1532491950250766336 I seriously wonder how these lunatics plan on accomplishing this?
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ik edit:  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1166995970805936 A claimed Russian helicopter shot down mid air, quality is dogshit (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 4, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1532491950250766336 If majority russian areas that weren't historically russian as of the 15th century don't count as Russia I have bad news for North America
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"We must not humiliate Russia so that the day when the fighting stops we can build an exit ramp through diplomatic means," Macron said in an interview to regional newspapers published on Saturday. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-must-not-be-humiliated-despite-putins-historic-mistake-macron-2022-06-04/ I concur that front-line Ukrainian taunting of Russia by humiliating return fire will harm regional stability because it will make Mr. Putin sad.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If majority russian areas that weren't historically russian as of the 15th century don't count as Russia I have bad news for North America Also like, the area of Leningrad oblast belonged to Sweden.. another empire. Are we returning it to the Swedes? Or telling Petersburgers that they are now actually liberated Novgorodians? It's like Paris must end its imperial occupation of the Vandee. I don't know what the balkanization fetish is about but its about as counter productive of an argument you can make. FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jun 4, 2022 |
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It's just dumb trolling that mirrors similar Russian maps of Ukraine. Hardly something to overanalyse.
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FishBulbia posted:Also like, the area of Leningrad oblast belonged to Sweden.. another empire. Are we returning it to the Swedes? Or telling Petersburgers that they are now actually liberated Novgorodians? It's like Paris must end its imperial occupation of the Vandee. I don't know what the balkanization fetish is about but its about as counter productive of an argument you can make. That guy ends up on my Twitter feed through retweets etcetera every now and then, and he seems to have a real hard-on for balkanisation of Russia.
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FishBulbia posted:Also like, the area of Leningrad oblast belonged to Sweden.. another empire. Are we returning it to the Swedes? Or telling Petersburgers that they are now actually liberated Novgorodians? Paris must end its imperial occupation of the Vandee. Also lol RT is actually blocked here but I can see their lovely tweet if it's embedded.
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precision fire of some kind on Russian mechanised forces. https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1533103853620576256 So, what’s going on here? Switchblades? Excaliburs?
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Paladinus posted:It's just dumb trolling that mirrors similar Russian maps of Ukraine. Hardly something to overanalyse. It's as lunacy as those maps of Ukraine with the "Russian gifts" of land. In general I don't approve of redrawing any borders. Even if it meant in jest it's counterproductive. The correct response to the Nuremberg laws isn't joking about passing such laws against Germans. There is little more you could do to directly strengthen the regime than agree with them that this should be an existential conflict for their very existence.
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In the replies... https://twitter.com/DecodingTrolls/status/1532655941652467713 Edgar Allen Ho posted:If majority russian areas that weren't historically russian as of the 15th century don't count as Russia I have bad news for North America  fake-edit: thread moving fast
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FishBulbia posted:Also like, the area of Leningrad oblast belonged to Sweden.. another empire. Are we returning it to the Swedes? Or telling Petersburgers that they are now actually liberated Novgorodians? It's like Paris must end its imperial occupation of the Vandee. I don't know what the balkanization fetish is about but its about as counter productive of an argument you can make. There is a substantial amount of land that, were the world actually just, ought to be returned to Finland; and Kaliningrad should be given to Poland in accordance with the (or at least in the spirit of) the final disposition of the German/Polish border established with the German-Polish Border Treaty of 1990. I am also a huge fan of self-determination of peoples, and there were a lot of formerly independent countries absorbed by the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. In practice those places should be allowed to decide for themselves in a binding way whether or not they want to remain part of the Russian Federation; unfortunately, none of this will ever happen.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Certainly looks like something guided, but also the footage is all edited very precisely to make sure you can't see any incoming projectile/munition Probably just 120 mm mortars and editing
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The video is edited to show hits. You can see after one of the cuts, blast damage from artillery rounds hitting on the road, but not directly hitting a BTR. A warmed up howitzer with good coordinates and fire correction can land within 20 feet or so of point of aim, which is plenty close enough to do bad things, and with enough rounds, score a hit on target vs next to.
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1532491950250766336 ... other than chechnya do any of those areas even have anything resembling an independence movement? not a few crazies here and there but any sort of movement at all?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Certainly looks like something guided, but also the footage is all edited very precisely to make sure you can't see any incoming projectile/munition edit: ...or maybe not.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Probably just 120 mm mortars and editing Yeah, it's really difficult to tell with these heavily edited videos. For what it's worth, the twitter account that posted it speculates about it being guided, and in the replies someone claims to be from the unit that did it and it was just mortars. Not that this is conclusive in the slightest.
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Doctor Teeth posted:... (Though Petersburg would totally vote to join Sweden and Kaliningrad Germany).
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Cable Guy posted:At least one of those tanks looked like it was pretty well closed in - enough that it would need a very high arc trajectory (unless it was coming from a perfect direction) so I suspect at least one switchblade... maybe used in combination with artillery as a spotter drone before it was committed....? mortars are plunging fire
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In THEORY, I might agree that pointless humiliation for the sake of humiliation isn't helpful and isn't worth making eventual peace negotiations more difficult. But in practice, Macron needs to answer a simple question: What, exactly, counts as "humiliating" Russia? Because there's a whole lot of ways to define that term! Is curbstomping their armies in the field "humiliating"? Is being forced to evacuate the Donbass "humiliating"? Are reparations "humiliating"? Is calling Putin a crybaby stupid little poopypants with a poo poo army "humiliating"? Is forcing Putin to attend peace negotiations wearing a dunce cap "humiliating"? Unless he explains what, exactly, counts as humiliation and needs to be avoided one can interpret his statement as either bland obviousness (don't do stupid pointless things) or a call for Ukrainian capitulation (Ukraine isn't allow to fully win). Until then this feels like pointless hot air for the sake of projecting a statesmanlike air of reasonableness, which does seem to be up Macron's alley. Are there any French goons here who know how the French public is taking those statements?
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mlmp08 posted:The video is edited to show hits. You can see after one of the cuts, blast damage from artillery rounds hitting on the road, but not directly hitting a BTR. A warmed up howitzer with good coordinates and fire correction can land within 20 feet or so of point of aim, which is plenty close enough to do bad things, and with enough rounds, score a hit on target vs next to. the amount of collateral damage relative to number of hits is very unusually low, but i certainly don't claim to know what was used
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