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jiggerypokery posted:imagine a GE except everyone loses Feel like that's been every election of my life time 
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if he does go this'll be the third successive tory administration that couldn't make it to the three year mark; incredible statistic. they quite literally cannot physically occupy the offices of state long enough to maintain a functioning government.
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keep punching joe posted:loving do it This is naked sabre-rattling at the at-risk MPs to vote for him, not a real threat.
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Jun 6, 2022 15:04
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Is it ever a viable strategy for a PM to smuggle in a vonc against themselves that they know they would win, just for the optics of getting easy approval?
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TACD posted:lmao I thought you were joking but Surely Doc Brown could have gotten into his Delorian, went back in time and fixed this before it became a problem? Also if one subscribes to the idea that the media has tons of dirt on Bojo that they ate sitting on, wouldn't it stand to reason that releasing it now, just before the VONC but not so far as a spin to defend it could be released. Maybe done around 18.00? The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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josh04 posted:This is naked sabre-rattling at the at-risk MPs to vote for him, not a real threat. If he loses, is there any reason not to follow through out of spite?
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Reveilled posted:If he loses, is there any reason not to follow through out of spite? No. I don't think Johnson will return to the back benches, either; if he gets VONCed successfully then he'll announce that he's standing down.
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Jun 6, 2022 15:11
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Deketh posted:Is it ever a viable strategy for a PM to smuggle in a vonc against themselves that they know they would win, just for the optics of getting easy approval? yes, you can spike a vote by having your supporters put in letters so it's called before your opponents have had time to properly lobby their peers. given that pre-jubilee everything sounded a bit lukewarm and it suddenly went to 11 over the weekend, that may have happened here. edit: flip side to this is jubilee is a natural time for plotters as the pm and other cabinet loyalists will have their diaries block booked with events limiting the amount of time they can spend fighting the fires you're setting Rustybear fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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forkboy84 posted:Time for some good news amidst the sea of pessimism This is anti english racism, they broadcast shinty but not the shin kicking world championships are GLOURIS ENGLIDN SPORT
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Jun 6, 2022 15:14
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Rustybear posted:yes, you can spike a vote by having your supporters put in letters so it's called before your opponents have had time to properly lobby their peers. given that pre-jubilee everything sounded a bit lukewarm and it suddenly went to 11 over the weekend, that may have happened here. Yeah interesting, I did think the whole issue had cooled way down before this
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The Question IRL posted:Surely Doc Brown could have gotten into his Delorian, went back in time and fixed this before it became a problem?
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so we still pronouncing it "vonk" right?
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Jun 6, 2022 15:19
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Why would you pronounce it any other way?
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DesperateDan posted:so we still pronouncing it "vonk" right? brb setting up an online store to sell HONK IF YOU VONC bumper stickers
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Reveilled posted:If he loses, is there any reason not to follow through out of spite? if he loses it's his only shot at remaining pm so it seems near certainty? the mother of all 'men in grey suits' meetings will take place in no.10 where they try to talk him out of it i guess
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Rustybear posted:yes, you can spike a vote by having your supporters put in letters so it's called before your opponents have had time to properly lobby their peers. given that pre-jubilee everything sounded a bit lukewarm and it suddenly went to 11 over the weekend, that may have happened here. The flip side is that during the Jubbly they reportedly went back to their constituencies and may have had the ear of the local tory parties pointing out that Boris Johnson is currently as popular as Prince Andrew
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The vonce nonce.
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issuing correction on a previous report of mine, regarding the BBC Radio schedule. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta put a bangin nonce on it"
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So I looked up shinty and it seems to have a lot of just hitting each other in the ankles with the sticks, which I approve of.
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Rustybear posted:if he loses it's his only shot at remaining pm so it seems near certainty? If he loses the VONC he has no hope of remaining PM as he can't run in the next leadership election. It would purely be to spite the party, by forcing them to either fight a GE without a leader or fight it with him as interim leader. Either they get crushed and Boris gets his vengeance - and as I said, he'll probably stand down so he won't lose anything himself - or they win and become the party that won an election and kicked out the person who won it for them.
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OwlFancier posted:So I looked up shinty and it seems to have a lot of just hitting each other in the ankles with the sticks, which I approve of. Getting kicked off the boat after calls for a song ended with me beating them with sticks
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Jun 6, 2022 15:31
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Oh I hadn't realised that the tories repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. Go on BloJo, really gently caress your cunty party.
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Oh gently caress I forgot about that lmao, if they hadn't then they would have been able to stop him by just voting against it lol.
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May carried on for months after winning her vonc right?
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Tesseraction posted:Oh I hadn't realised that the tories repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. wait what, when did that happen??
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Tesseraction posted:Oh I hadn't realised that the tories repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. Back in March they did it. It was only brought in to stop the Libs triggering a GE during the coalition years, and now they had a supermajority government it was just an inconvenient restriction on them taking advantage of circumstances.
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Jedit posted:If he loses the VONC he has no hope of remaining PM as he can't run in the next leadership election. It would purely be to spite the party, by forcing them to either fight a GE without a leader or fight it with him as interim leader. Either they get crushed and Boris gets his vengeance - and as I said, he'll probably stand down so he won't lose anything himself - or they win and become the party that won an election and kicked out the person who won it for them. if he calls a genuine snap election they'll have to fight it with him as interim leader and if he then wins that GE are they really going to boot him? getting deep into the weeds of process now but if he loses then he is still caretaker PM until the next leader is selected and a GE is called by royal perogative at the request of the PM of the day; it would be down to brenda to reject it which in itself is a constitutional crisis i know it's mad but this is the giant brains that illegally prorogued parliament and tried to get owen patterson off by collapsing the standards committee so no scheme is too hare-brained he'll win so it wont come to pass but it's fun to game it out while we wait
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Jedit posted:Back in March they did it. It was only brought in to stop the Libs triggering a GE during the coalition years, and now they had a supermajority government it was just an inconvenient restriction on them taking advantage of circumstances. Like technically nothing is but something like PR/STV is unlikely to produce a legislature that just wants it gone (but in the same way FPTP is unlikely to produce a legislature that wants it without extraparliamentary agreements).
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Vonc if you're horny!!! Hope no one's made this joke yet
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Rustybear posted:if he calls a genuine snap election they'll have to fight it with him as interim leader and if he then wins that GE are they really going to boot him? They would already have booted him, that's the point. Once he's VONCed he's got no way to remain leader other than there to be zero candidates in the leadership election. That's not impossible, of course, but it would require every single Tory MP to turn down an open goal shot to become Prime Minister. Also it would be a complete and public humiliation for the entire party that they had voted out their last leader when 1) he was popular enough to win a GE and 2) they had no replacement lined up. They started this; they are bound to finish it.
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Rustybear posted:if he does go this'll be the third successive tory administration that couldn't make it to the three year mark; incredible statistic. What they've managed to do is remove labour from that loop by loading all the bad stuff onto one conservative and then firing them, shunting the loop straight to the 'we're different guys now' step, and it would be wrong to have an election during [insert tory manufactured crisis, or if they're lucky an actual one like ukraine], and the important thing is that the press and public have such nonexistent memories, they not only buy it but agressively sell it in the deluded belief that this is how we get back to a point where politics happens in the background and they don't have to pay any attention to it.
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I wonder if Johnson's lack of principle might authentically work against him here; for any other Prime Minister it would be unimaginable that someone who has lost the confidence of their own party would attempt to dare the same party to force an unfavourable general election in the Commons. But it seems... only too imaginable for Johnson? And that possibility undermines the apparent certainty of an unfavourable general election should the ballot pass.
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Jedit posted:They would already have booted him, that's the point. Once he's VONCed he's got no way to remain leader other than there to be zero candidates in the leadership election. That's not impossible, of course, but it would require every single Tory MP to turn down an open goal shot to become Prime Minister. there isn't time to run a leadership election with the clock running on a six week short campaign so they'd have to fight with him as leader and pick up the pieces later; if (when) they lose then goodbye, good night. but if rupert murdoch pulls the big lever and they somehow win... the calls for the rules to be bent for wonderful boris to get a second chance will be overwhelming; liz truss and jeremy hunt can shout about process and rules all they like nobody will be listening it's not a strategy that is in the short term interest of the tory party or the UK but who gives a poo poo about that
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He doesn't give a flying gently caress about anything or anyone except himself. That goes for his wives, children, party, friends, country, fellow ministers. If the MPs vote him out, he's just the sort of person to gently caress it up for everyone else and call a GE out of spite.
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Rustybear posted:it's not a strategy that is in the short term interest of the tory party or the UK but who gives a poo poo about that Certainly not Boris. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1533798992626204673?t=Cn4qPNA7U4areV77q1XEPA&s=19 Extremely funny how willing Harry Cole is to go to bat for the guy who made him a cuckold.
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lol at all the centrists on twitter insisting that this time Bojo is done for, as if he isn't going to survive the confidence vote easily and the whole thing isn't going to be forgotten by tomorrow morning
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TACD posted:lmao I thought you were joking but Great Scott Marty!
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Hilarity timeline - Boris gets vonced, hits the self destruct button by calling a GE, ken gets fined by durham police and resigns, andy burnham somehow becomes leader by accident, conservatives are left with a ge to win and a not entirely poo poo opposition. Putin nukes the uk and it turns out it was all for nowt anyway.
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my country yearns for the freedom of atomic fire
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Hilarity timeline - Boris gets vonced, hits the self destruct button by calling a GE, ken gets fined by durham police and resigns, andy burnham somehow becomes leader by accident, conservatives are left with a ge to win and a not entirely poo poo opposition. Putin nukes the uk and it turns out it was all for nowt anyway. Burnham winning a parliament seat in that time and then the Labour leadership seems unlikely tbh
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