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flashman posted:Am I missing something or are the complaints about bill s-7 all missing the mark? I've seen a bunch of articles and poo poo about how it's an erosion of freedom but as far as I knew before they didn't need a reason at all to search your phone and poo poo. Maybe I'm missing something? They claimed not to need a reason. Turns out that the Charter means that "no actual reason" is not a valid threshold for a search, at least according to the Alberta Court of Appeal. The big issue with S-7 is that it pretends to codify a meaningful threshold while actually codifying "no actual reason."
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tagesschau posted:They claimed not to need a reason. Turns out that the Charter means that "no actual reason" is not a valid threshold for a search, at least according to the Alberta Court of Appeal. The big issue with S-7 is that it pretends to codify a meaningful threshold while actually codifying "no actual reason." I was familiar with the Alberta Court case but it didn't seem to have effected the number of device inspections according to the CBSA website. Either way its a garbage policy so I'm somewhat splitting hairs.
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Jun 6, 2022 08:03
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Starks posted:It seems weird to say this about a party that lost their third election in a row less than a year ago. They got those memberships from PP’s stance on pandemic restrictions, which isn’t going to mean much by 2025. And thanks to the NDP-Lib agreement an early election is not in the cards. 2025 is so far away.
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Jun 6, 2022 16:40
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Starks posted:It seems weird to say this about a party that lost their third election in a row less than a year ago. They got those memberships from PP’s stance on pandemic restrictions, which isn’t going to mean much by 2025. And thanks to the NDP-Lib agreement an early election is not in the cards. Just quoting this since Peter Pepper is now anti-all-mandatory-vaxx, in case we get smallpox/measles/polio resurgences by 2025 or we're all scrambling for orangutanpox vaccines.
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Jun 6, 2022 16:52
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Coxswain Balls posted:When I say randomly chosen I don't mean out of the pool of candidates that signed up. Someone in the riding just gets a letter in the mail saying "congrats, you're now an MP. Here's the salary and benefits, good luck!". Your optimism about people is adorable and I envy your not having to have dealt with the general public much. Arguably, my optimism about the people who do step forward as MPs is just as adorable though, so I guess we should just meet at The Keg for garlic toast and a beer sometime and drink until we pass out.
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Jun 6, 2022 17:18
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As bad as our government is, at least it isn't made up of 300-500 random citizens. Optimistic as you may be about the general public (using your own perfectly rational self as the template), you may as well just get rid of the concept of governance if that is what you are replacing it with.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:22
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Stanley Pain posted:Mostly because a lot of people aren't taking him as a serious threat and are underestimating scared white people and the "team sports" voters. Conservatives seem to have figured out what NuPolotik looks like while everyone else is still playing the old game. I wouldn't say "Conservatives" in general. Doug Ford's election strategy was classic incumbent stuff. He mostly rode familiarity mixed with apathy to a win. He made, what, one campaign promise? Mostly he did nothing because he didn't have to do anything, as the opposition ran uninspiring campaigns. It is dissimilar with the stuff getting flung around in the federal conservative leadership race. While PP is certainly trying some stuff out, it seems more like cargo cult behaviour. He is cribbing US republican talking points, and it might not play well in Canada. Vaccines are popular here. Amongst conservative voters too. I bet it won't work. Pre-COVID-19, anti-vaxxers were out there but were mostly the subject of withering derision. By 2025, we'll probably be back to the reality of 90% of the public thinking that wiping out smallpox was a good thing.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:23
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eXXon posted:Just quoting this since Peter Pepper is now anti-all-mandatory-vaxx, in case we get smallpox/measles/polio resurgences by 2025 or we're all scrambling for orangutanpox vaccines. Maneck posted:While PP is certainly trying some stuff out, it seems more like cargo cult behaviour. He is cribbing US republican talking points, and it might not play well in Canada. Vaccines are popular here. Amongst conservative voters too. I bet it won't work. Pre-COVID-19, anti-vaxxers were out there but were mostly the subject of withering derision. By 2025, we'll probably be back to the reality of 90% of the public thinking that wiping out smallpox was a good thing. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Jun 6, 2022 18:39
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Shumagorath posted:It's also possible that Never Poilievre people signed up just to get a candidate who can win. Voters might have poo poo memories, but running on anti-vax and chumming around with nazis who laid siege to Ottawa isn't going to wash off in three years. It took 3 months of keeping Doug Ford away from cameras for Ontario voters to forget both of those things.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:53
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Furnaceface posted:It took 3 months of keeping Doug Ford away from cameras for Ontario voters to forget both of those things. Ford wasn't in Ottawa for a photo op next to a pair of truck nuts, and they pretty much bricked up Queen's Park Crescent and Hospital Row for a month. Ontario had three splinter parties run last month because Ford brought passports in, however quickly they were gone, and the two major parties left of him said nothing about it while campaigning. Like, you absolutely DO NOT gotta hand it to Doug Ford, but he's not in the same circle of hell as the worst of the CPC leadership candidates. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Jun 6, 2022 18:58
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Furnaceface posted:It took 3 months of keeping Doug Ford away from cameras for Ontario voters to forget both of those things. Doug Ford was not anti vax lmao come on.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:16
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eXXon posted:Just quoting this since Peter Pepper is now anti-all-mandatory-vaxx, in case we get smallpox/measles/polio resurgences by 2025 or we're all scrambling for orangutanpox vaccines. Most Canadians support vax mandates and that support increases when there’s an actual threat, if that happened he would lose even worse. I’m more worried about PP moderating his rhetoric after he becomes party leader and making something like housing his key issue, only to swing to the right after he gets elected. But that would probably piss off those 300,000 new members who are tired of compromise candidates.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:22
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Crow Buddy posted:As bad as our government is, at least it isn't made up of 300-500 random citizens. Optimistic as you may be about the general public (using your own perfectly rational self as the template), you may as well just get rid of the concept of governance if that is what you are replacing it with. It worked for the birthplace of democracy. We really need to start challenging some of these assumptions about "representative" democracy, because a 12% plurality of the population handing out majority control doesn't seem better to me then what you're afraid of.
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Jun 6, 2022 21:17
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People selected at random would probably be way better than voting for candidates. It's pretty much a given that most people in a position to even win an election are of the wealthier set. They all have a vested interest in protecting their class above others and arranging things to make their private lives better at our expense. Once they've accomplished this they then move back to other employment, protected from the decisions they make. Alternatively, someone picked at random probably won't have the time and resources to establish these same conditions and once their term is done they'll also more likely be facing the results of their actions in office.
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Jun 6, 2022 22:28
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I think without party discipline and institutional knowledge, the random citizens would not be able to control the bureaucracy. We would become a technocracy over a generation at most.
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Jun 6, 2022 22:58
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So, it would be different, but would it be worse?
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Jun 6, 2022 23:04
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DynamicSloth posted:It worked for the birthplace of democracy. To be fair, I'm not particularly afraid of the idea and I am not even opposed. (Getting rid of the concept of governance to be clear.) However, my potential blind optimism comes from a belief that the parts of our society that actually function well don't stem from good governing (though it doesn't hurt it), but that we collectively-ish choose for those things to be functional.
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Jun 6, 2022 23:05
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infernal machines posted:So, it would be different, but would it be worse? 
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Jun 6, 2022 23:32
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I mean, history is rife with powerful mandarins and generally speaking that has been plenty lovely in its own way, but lovely in a way that is largely distinct from the way government fails to work now.
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Jun 6, 2022 23:39
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I am the master of eight legged essays. Better watch out as I get put in charge of electricity because I write about birds good
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Jun 7, 2022 00:03
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Being Canada, surely the ideal expression of the hamburger format will be preferred
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Jun 7, 2022 00:06
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https://twitter.com/MichaelRdrguez/status/1533940955530768384?t=ggY9DBimJwur5lljdKtviQ&s=19
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Jun 7, 2022 01:39
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Seems like this public healthcare fad isn't serving the needs of ordinary Albertans. Time to cut funding and open it up to competition from the private sector.
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Jun 7, 2022 01:51
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Maneck posted:I wouldn't say "Conservatives" in general. I don't share this optimism at all.
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Jun 7, 2022 02:20
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terrorist ambulance posted:https://twitter.com/MichaelRdrguez/status/1533940955530768384?t=ggY9DBimJwur5lljdKtviQ&s=19 This has the feeling of an incident that's going to create change. The healthcare system being strained to to COVID and whatnot lacks the immediate, visceral impact of a kindly old lady dying a violent death because our EMS system is hosed up. I've heard more anger about this one story than, well, just about anything in recent memory.
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Jun 7, 2022 03:25
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30 minutes seems positively speedy compared to BC
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Jun 7, 2022 05:48
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PT6A posted:This has the feeling of an incident that's going to create change. The healthcare system being strained to to COVID and whatnot lacks the immediate, visceral impact of a kindly old lady dying a violent death because our EMS system is hosed up. At what point do we start talking about noncompliance with the Canada Health Act? quote:Accessibility wait.... hang on, that doesn't... this doesn't allow the feds to administer the program? It only allows them to stop paying for the province to not administer it?! I can't be reading this right
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Jun 7, 2022 06:04
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I think unlike in the States, this is a bit more of a threat, since that creates a budget shortfall that might actually have electoral consequences.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:25
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think unlike in the States, this is a bit more of a threat, since that creates a budget shortfall that might actually have electoral consequences. In Alberta the consequences would be "UPC voted in 99% majority for perpetuity because Trudeau was very mean to us" and "Alberta privatizes healthcare like they've been trying to for decades"
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Jun 7, 2022 07:07
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yippee cahier posted:30 minutes seems positively speedy compared to BC Yeah. I had to wait 17 hours last year for 911 to show up.
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Jun 7, 2022 08:08
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Pleads posted:In Alberta the consequences would be "UPC voted in 99% majority for perpetuity because Trudeau was very mean to us" and "Alberta privatizes healthcare like they've been trying to for decades" Exactly my thinking, yeah.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:37
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flakeloaf posted:At what point do we start talking about noncompliance with the Canada Health Act? The federal government doesn't have the power to directly deal with healthcare. It's an explicitly provincial area of juridiction. So the health care act is a big hack where the federal government uses its power of taxation to take a big chunk of money and will only give it to a provincial government if they follow a bunch of rules about health care. So yeah, all they can do is stop paying for it.
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Jun 7, 2022 17:49
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Yup. The federal gov't can't tell the provincial government what to do in cases of provincial things, but it can agree to give the province money if the province does what the federal gov't wants.
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Jun 7, 2022 18:59
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Reporting on reports or what the civil service actually does all day in a city like Toronto. tl;dr: The number one way to ensure that you don't have to make a decision on an item before council is to refer it to staff for a report.
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Jun 7, 2022 19:27
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Endlessly producing reports about things is the Canadian way.
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Jun 7, 2022 20:32
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tagesschau posted:Endlessly producing reports about things is the Canadian way. I don't know about that, could you produce a report with some data so we can be sure?
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Jun 7, 2022 20:38
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 https://twitter.com/jfromthepeg/status/1533941731653300225 The ghoul had the "honor" of talking about their new gay friend they met.
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Jun 7, 2022 21:06
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Vintersorg posted:
Please don't call her a ghoul. That's an insult to cannibalistic grave robbing monsters.
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Jun 7, 2022 22:01
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That made me look up "who the gently caress is that?" and then made me say "oh makes sense." Compare to ANDP MLA Janis Irwin, who got in trouble last year for openly taunting (or to use her accusers' word "harassing") the anti-gay demonstrators in Edmonton with a group of other LGBTQ folks. That's the sort of gay-as-gently caress energy we need in government. Government only by the queerest of queer people!
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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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