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https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1534078500109438977 Medvedev status: still drinking
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Ukrainians: the russian state hates Ukrainians and wants to genocide us White western politics watcher: Russia has security concerns about NATO expansion and there is no reason to believe they would engage in any atrocities against civilians, they are hoping it goes the same as the Georgian war. Ukraine needs to make concessions to stop this conflict where the US is fighting russians to the last ukrainian Russian statesman: we hate Ukrainians and want to genocide them
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Jun 7, 2022 09:48
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Somaen posted:Ukrainians: the russian state hates Ukrainians and wants to genocide us In diplomatic negotiations you always start off at a more extreme position, so you can give concessions to get what you actually wanted. So when the Russians say they hate the Ukrainians and want to genocide them, that's not what they really mean. They will happily negotiate to drop the "hate" part of their statements.
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Jun 7, 2022 10:56
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Mokotow posted:Update is dude was insane and/or on drugs, armed with stun grenades, some sort of short weapon and a knife. Was on a top secret commando mission. Not sabotage, but he still left one of the guards in serious condition. I guess the petrol prices are driving people literally insane
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Jun 7, 2022 11:00
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jaete posted:Uh, yes? What's your point? Nenonen posted:Direct fire. At visual range there is no point in firing indirect (with rockets I wonder if you even could do that, there has to be a practical minimum range for indirect fire). Iirc the M270 has a minimum range of something like 2km, you can't point and shoot.
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Jun 7, 2022 11:23
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nimby posted:In diplomatic negotiations you always start off at a more extreme position, so you can give concessions to get what you actually wanted. Yeah it's easy to stop hating someone you already genocided, just like antisemitism is in the decline since WWII  No this is exactly what they mean and will keep on saying, the fundamental denial of national, sovereign and human rights of Ukrainians is the base and fuel of this invasion. Calling it an act is giving Russia credit, but more importantly it doesn't make the genocide any less horrific. The end result is the same, Russia wants to expand it's territory by wiping out Ukraine and Ukrainians.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:23
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Nenonen posted:Wrt using old tanks, the situation is not dire when you see T-62's in Ukraine. The situation is DIRE when you start seeing the new T-14 Armata at the front! One of these days they'll get the kinks worked out of the Armata so it can roll several kilometers across a perfectly smooth surface without breaking down.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:32
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Cicero posted:That's weird, I thought the military at least used more metric units. Fun fact: on the Abrams tank, the hull uses one system and the turret uses another (I can't recall which uses which). We had to have a large set of wrenches and sockets, and good luck finding the correct size on low visibility conditions.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:42
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From the country that have delivered 0 heavy weapons: https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1534119516359344128 https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1534122410282307586
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Jun 7, 2022 12:52
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Kikas posted:Yeah it's easy to stop hating someone you already genocided, just like antisemitism is in the decline since WWII It was a joke.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:07
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Periphery posted:Do you have a source for this? the source is people otg. I'm going to guess they were actually air defenses. It was just a lot of out going explosions, more than a friend had ever heard, so people were speculating that a ship just got hit with something new. But I guess not.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:12
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Atreiden posted:From the country that have delivered 0 heavy weapons: loving Scholz. We did some stupid poo poo around the start of the war (we donated a bunch of arti ammo, and expected Ukr to figure out how to get them from our ammo depots to them), but I am pretty happy with what we have done since. I can't imagine what it would be like to live in shithole refusing to help.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:13
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Somaen posted:Ukrainians: the russian state hates Ukrainians and wants to genocide us Excuse me, listening to Russian officials and taking them at their word is Russophobic fearmongering.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:15
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Was Medvedevedev even talking about Ukrainians there? The english translation was without any context, and my first assumption was he was talking about the 'Russophobic West', due to the bit about hating Russia and wanting to destroy it. I thought their narrative was still that Ukrainians are just confused Russians who have been led astray/held captive by their 'HomoNazi' leaders - and therefore only SOME of them need to be wiped out, the rest just need their 'brainwashing' reversed.
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Tigey posted:Was Medvedevedev even talking about Ukrainians there? The english translation was without any context, and my first assumption was he was talking about the 'Russophobic West', due to the bit about hating Russia and wanting to destroy it. He's talking about "them" ie the unnamed fill in the blank enemies of Russia. Ukrainians aren't the enemy, they just need to be liberated from the "nationalists" who are any Ukrainian who Russia kills.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:30
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Tigey posted:Was Medvedevedev even talking about Ukrainians there? The english translation was without any context, and my first assumption was he was talking about the 'Russophobic West', due to the bit about hating Russia and wanting to destroy it. He was talking about the West. More precisely, America, because his American son allegedly had to return to Russia.
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Jun 7, 2022 13:30
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FishBulbia posted:He's talking about "them" ie the unnamed fill in the blank enemies of Russia. Ukrainians aren't the enemy, they just need to be liberated from the "nationalists" who are any Ukrainian who Russia kills. No such thing as Ukrainians, just Russians who live in the Ukraine! Before Lenin nobody even knew about 'Ukrainians' and further [starts a four hour lecture on  history]
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Is there even a timetable for the German heavy weapons? Have they at least said months from now Paladinus posted:He was talking about the West. More precisely, America, because his American son allegedly had to return to Russia. tbf an incredibly inhumane thing to make him do
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Jun 7, 2022 14:12
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Ynglaur posted:Fun fact: on the Abrams tank, the hull uses one system and the turret uses another (I can't recall which uses which). We had to have a large set of wrenches and sockets, and good luck finding the correct size on low visibility conditions.  That is the dumbest thing.
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Jun 7, 2022 14:21
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In my experience the way it works out is that imperial sockets can work "ok" on more metric bolts than the other way around, so if you only have one set...
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Jun 7, 2022 14:28
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I'm kinda flabbergasted that they didn't take into account that this might be a thing but then again we might re-elect the guy who tried to sandbag weapons to ukraine entirely and will probably declare war on them when he does so
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Jun 7, 2022 14:33
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Atreiden posted:From the country that have delivered 0 heavy weapons: Scholz pulling a Trump
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Jun 7, 2022 14:41
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Shooting Blanks posted:It can be difficult to comprehend how long it takes sanctions to go from Announced -> Enacted -> Effective. But once that train gets rolling, holy poo poo will it be hard to stop. I'm having trouble believing in the effectiveness of any sanctions especially with a large enough manufacturing economy used to creating its domestic supply lines.
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Jun 7, 2022 14:48
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Shageletic posted:I'm having trouble believing in the effectiveness of any sanctions especially with a large enough manufacturing economy used to creating its domestic supply lines. Then imagine their effectiveness without that
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Jun 7, 2022 14:53
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Shageletic posted:I'm having trouble believing in the effectiveness of any sanctions especially with a large enough manufacturing economy used to creating its domestic supply lines. They simply can’t wish into existence modern semiconductors, or tons of other things they don’t actually make, because they went through 30 years of globalisation and corrupt pillaging of what Soviets built to be self-sufficient. Even Russian leadership knows that this is a problem, and has spent a decade failing to find substitutes for foreign imports in critical areas. Their car manufacturing sector is down 60% in output already, and their announced plan to resume manufacturing Moskvich, popular Soviet car, was publicly cancelled in less than 2 weeks after announced. Current head of central bank, serving under Putin, does also say that everything will go to hell. I’m really not sure what gives this optimism about their manufacturing, when they can’t even manufacture printing paper without importing bleach from Finland.
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Jun 7, 2022 14:56
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Shageletic posted:I'm having trouble believing in the effectiveness of any sanctions especially with a large enough manufacturing economy used to creating its domestic supply lines. Here's the thing: They don't have that. They pissed it all away, and have relied heavily on foreign imports to fill the gaps in their economy. And you can't just go "Okay, this factory now builds this thing we have no experience in building." Rebuilding from the ground up takes a lot of time, resources, and money.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’m really not sure what gives this optimism about their manufacturing, when they can’t even manufacture printing paper without importing bleach from Finland. DON'T GIVE VOVA ANY IDEAS 
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Jun 7, 2022 15:04
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Kchama posted:Here's the thing: They don't have that. They pissed it all away, and have relied heavily on foreign imports to fill the gaps in their economy. And you can't just go "Okay, this factory now builds this thing we have no experience in building." Rebuilding from the ground up takes a lot of time, resources, and money. In addition, it often requires specialised capital goods (machinery and manufacturing equipment) that very few companies/countries make. Its understandable that Russia wants to set up a domestic semiconductor industry - and I am sure they will throw a ton of money and personnel toward it. But if the only countries that manufacture the extremely high-precision machinery needed to produce semiconductors are Western ones, then that adds yet another barrier, as they can't get hold of the equipment legally. They might be able to reimport it through a second country, but it takes much longer and costs even more, and there are zero guarantees - we have already seen that many Chinese/Kazak intermediaries aren't willing to risk breaking sanctions to help Russia out.
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Wibla posted:
I could totally see some idiot saying "well if a Russian/commie/socialist/anyone tries to steal one of our tanks, they won't have the tools to work on it so it it's like a security feature.
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Russia will just have to do import substitution. Onfim had the right idea
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Russia has been crippling it's educated, skilled workers for the past two decades aswell, and those are the people such domestic manufacturing relies on. This makes sense - if you are trying to ensure stability in a petrostate, you don't want competing centres of domestic economic power to oil - oil requires little labour compared to capital, and most of the skilled labour can be imported from abroad. You don't have to keep a broad educated middle class happy because they can't do economic damage to you.
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Alan Smithee posted:I'm kinda flabbergasted that they didn't take into account that this might be a thing but then again we might re-elect the guy who tried to sandbag weapons to ukraine entirely and will probably declare war on them when he does so For what it's worth issues with imperial and metric have hosed NASA over a few times, and they are literal rocket scientists. It's just one of those things that's tricky to screen for - can you remember to convert EVERY single instance of metric to imperial or vice versa in a complex bit of kit with many, many moving parts?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They simply can’t wish into existence modern semiconductors, or tons of other things they don’t actually make, because they went through 30 years of globalisation and corrupt pillaging of what Soviets built to be self-sufficient. Even Russian leadership knows that this is a problem, and has spent a decade failing to find substitutes for foreign imports in critical areas. The issue with semiconductors is that there is not one semiconductor fab that makes everything. A logic fab cannot make analog components like voltage regulators and power fets. A fab making powerfets cannot make RF components. And none of those can make memory. So "semiconductors" is like saying "software" and imaging that you can write one program that is an OS, a video game and an office suite at the same time. It doesn't work like that, things are specialized. To build something like a missile or a drone from locally sourced parts you don't need a few billion dollar fab, you need a dozen of them. And then customers that can buy the billions of dollars of really uncompetitive semiconductors they would be cranking out. Even if sanctions were not a thing these would not be economically viable businesses and it is not feasible to pump in tens of billions of dollars forever, so talking about sanctions here is almost irrelevant. Realistically they are going to be importing semiconductors forever, just like basically every country on earth.
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To put a bow on this, and give some perspective to non-usonions who probably think everything here is Imperial: NASA has since ensured all its projects are fully metric. Auto industry switched over long ago, along with most of consumer industry. The only holdouts in my daily life are homebuilding, sewing, cooking, and Harley Davidson motorcycles. I didn’t realize that the defense industry would be a weird holdout but with the long lifetime of designs I guess it makes sense? I was still shocked to hear that about the M777 though.
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Tomn posted:For what it's worth issues with imperial and metric have hosed NASA over a few times, and they are literal rocket scientists. It's just one of those things that's tricky to screen for - can you remember to convert EVERY single instance of metric to imperial or vice versa in a complex bit of kit with many, many moving parts? Yeah it can be a real problem when different professions interact, because some industries have adopted metric and others are still resisting. Aerospace has that issue because American aviation strongly pushes for imperial units, whereas any scientist uses metric. Engineering is similar in that respect, because American construction struggles with even using decimals while manufacturing, consumer retail, electrical, computing, etc, is designed with a globalized mindset and is mostly metricated.
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https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1534045977161748481 Good to see national mythology takes precedent over grammar in Czechia
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It's not just bad grammar - it's completely nonsensical Google translation
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Ulf posted:To put a bow on this, and give some perspective to non-usonions who probably think everything here is Imperial: Also, oddly: aviation to varying degrees in most of the world. I'm not sure what the mechanical bits are like on new designs, but we still deal in feet of altitude, inches of pressure (in Canada and the US at least; not most of the rest of the world), nautical miles for distance, and statute miles for visibility (US and Canada again; other countries use metres for visibility but not for altitude, mostly).
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1534045977161748481 This is nothing but virulent Russophobia and is proof that the West* has a deep hatred for Russians!!! *By which we mean Eastern and Central Europe
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Sidenote: The degree to which all these Eastern European countries want to get revenge for what Russia did during the Soviet Era also explains why some of the most hardcore conservatives seem to come from these places. If your nation's exposure to "socialism" consists of Russian control over your domestic affairs for 60+ years anything that even vaguely resembles that would be extremely unpalatable to you even if what you're trying to offer is some Nordic style mixed economy. Nah, you're gonna try to remember what your country was like prior to WW2 and bring back King, Country and Catholic values because that's all you know outside this large ostensibly secular empire suppressing your culture, values and religion.
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