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webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

you're more aero with a helmet on. enjoy the extra drag nerds

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Polo-Rican posted:

this poo poo makes me mad. world's lowest-effort crosswalk to allow people to cross from the bus stop to the YMCA, but no pedestrian path to enter the YMCA beyond walking down the road. and no sidewalks of course



this person might be alive if they actually built an entrance for people arriving on foot:



Get ticketed for walking across the grass

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
lol at that intersection. just loving lol. why even bother with the crosswalk.

thetan_guy42
Oct 15, 2016

murdera

Lipstick Apathy

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

lmao r/relationships thread was having an absolute real one when the topic of riding bikes with helmets came up

The tidbit that in good bike infrastructure countries almost no one wears a helmet came up and it made a lot of people mad. There's this weird insistence that cycling is some kind of inherently dangerous activity and a fixation on helment scolding

Riflen
Mar 13, 2009

"Cheating bitch"
Bleak Gremlin
Can't wait until we get to the point where pedestrians should be wearing helmets because there are zillions of things that are not cars that will gently caress you up.

People trundling to the shops or the swimming pool at 8mph on a bike should not need a helmet. The idea that you should need special protective equipment to cycle for everyday journeys, is another thing that contributes to keeping people from taking bikes seriously as transport for everyday short trips.

If you're on a race bike and travelling as fast as possible for leisure/fun/fitness, then yes, you should have a helmet because the speeds you can get to are going to be much more dangerous.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


leftist heap posted:

lol at that intersection. just loving lol. why even bother with the crosswalk.

PA law provides for a crosswalk at all perpendicular curbs whether the crosswalk is painted or not, and in the absence of traffic control devices pedestrians have right of way.

They're great places if you want to legally kill a pedestrian because regardless of what the law says you will never get charged for it unless you were drunk at the time.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Riflen posted:

Can't wait until we get to the point where pedestrians should be wearing helmets because there are zillions of things that are not cars that will gently caress you up.

People trundling to the shops or the swimming pool at 8mph on a bike should not need a helmet. The idea that you should need special protective equipment to cycle for everyday journeys, is another thing that contributes to keeping people from taking bikes seriously as transport for everyday short trips.

If you're on a race bike and travelling as fast as possible for leisure/fun/fitness, then yes, you should have a helmet because the speeds you can get to are going to be much more dangerous.

Know what looks even dumber than a helmet? Brain damage

Junkozeyne
Feb 13, 2012

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

it happened again



That's pretty clearly a crosswalk. No charges! lol

where the crash happened

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.458...!7i16384!8i8192

Struck and killed lmao. No connection between these two, just killed by the hand of god

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Driver operates vehicle, vehicle strikes pedestrian, pedestrian becomes injured. Clearly no one is at fault.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

withak posted:

Driver operates vehicle, vehicle strikes pedestrian, pedestrian becomes injured. Clearly no one is at fault.

How about a compromise, any vehicle involved in a pedestrian fatality should be compromised to a permanent end in a car compactor.

mystes
May 31, 2006

withak posted:

Driver operates vehicle, vehicle strikes pedestrian, pedestrian becomes injured. Clearly no one is at fault.
This is literally the current system in the US and it sucks

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

thetan_guy42 posted:

a fixation on helmet scolding

'when i give helmets to cyclists, they call me a saint. when i ask why cyclists need helmets, they call me a ridiculous bike extremist'

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Good couple days for this poo poo

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/loved-ones-remember-clairton-man-struck-by-killed-by-vehicle-i-376/WLMVDZHSMZCMRGSVNX37W44HXA/

quote:

ALLEGHENY COUNTY, Pa. — A man was killed after he was struck by a vehicle on Interstate 376.

The Allegheny County medical examiner identified the victim as 24-year-old Zaonte Davis of Clairton.

Pennsylvania State Police said that Davis’ vehicle was disabled in the eastbound lanes of the highway, near the Squirrel Hill and Homestead exit. Officers say he called a friend for help.

When the other person arrived, they parked on the shoulder of the westbound lanes. Police believe Davis tried to reach the other person by crossing the road on foot.

While crossing, Davis was struck by an unknown vehicle. Police believe a second vehicle may have struck him again while he was lying in the middle of the road. Police said neither driver stopped.

On Tuesday, police said with the help of the public, they were able to identify the two vehicles and the drivers.

“That’s my best friend. That’s my person,” said Davis’ girlfriend, Dakota Williams. “I’m angry. I’m angry at you all. You were flying. I looked up at my baby and you hit him like that. How dare you keep going?”

Williams tells Channel 11 she was there at the scene and witnessed at least four cars hit Davis. Williams says none of the cars stopped to help, render aid, or take responsibility.

“They took my baby’s dad while my baby was in the car. I want justice,” said Williams. “Someone needs to feel what I feel. I don’t want them to hurt, but someone needs to feel this. It’s not fair to me.”

“At this point I can’t determine what the driver was thinking at that time, but it is conduct and code that if you are in a crash, you are supposed to stop and render aid or give information,” said Pennsylvania State Trooper Rocco Gagliardi.

Several departments are involved in the investigation. Police say they do not have any surveillance video of the actual crash.


If your car breaks down on a highway in America you're a fuckin' dead man, good lord. Stay in the car and get rear-ended, get out of the car and get run over, there is no winning option.

Riflen
Mar 13, 2009

"Cheating bitch"
Bleak Gremlin

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Know what looks even dumber than a helmet? Brain damage

If you're falling while travelling at jogging speeds, you've got problems that a helmet isn't going to solve. If your town or city is designed such that you feel you need a helmet to cycle at these speeds, then your town or city is probably badly designed.
If you're trying to protect against injury from collisions with cars while cycling, then that helmet is not going to do anything when a 2000kg metal box squishes you into cat food and you probably shouldn't be trying to cycle there at all.
And you assumed it's about "looking dumb", when it's about removing as much friction to cycle use for these common journeys as possible. Special gear beyond the bike and a lock, is just another thing to have to buy and remember to take and secure from thieves. All this stuff puts people off and as others have said, perpetuates the idea that it's inherently a dangerous pursuit.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Riflen posted:

If you're falling while travelling at jogging speeds, you've got problems that a helmet isn't going to solve.

Falling and striking your head from a standstill can and does cause traumatic brain damage.




quote:

And you assumed it's about "looking dumb", when it's about removing as much friction to cycle use for these common journeys as possible.

So it's just the seatbelt argument all over again.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


I mean if I was walking and tripped/fell head first into a metal post like these



I would be worried about how bad it might scramble my brains. Even a concussion isn't something trivial.

poo poo happens, people fall, if you want to wear a helmet going at a jogging pace when on a bike, I would understand, but also I'm not going to wear a helmet jogging so I would understand not wanting to wear one? idk, it's not like a helmet is difficult to wear either

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
We had to rent a car for a trip down to the states this weekend and it sucked. Our hotel was across the street from a starbucks but because they were tearing up the five-lane stroad (to make it a seven-lane stroad lol) there was no sidewalk on the side with the starbucks, so I had to walk on the shoulder with cars slamming past just to get there. What really fucks me up about car-dependent infrastructure is how it's simultaneously self-perpetuating and self-defeating.

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose
Walk through the grass. Even if there is a sidewalk, experienced pedestrians in Houston prefer to walk through parking lots. It's a lot safer than walking on a sidewalk that is right next to a road of cars speeding over 45 mph.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
There was no grass, it was just fenced off construction and the road itself. There were big signs that were like "open during construction!" and absolutely no thought put into the fact that anyone might consider walking in.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Falling and striking your head from a standstill can and does cause traumatic brain damage.

So it's just the seatbelt argument all over again.

actually it's not it's just *rattles off a roster of increasingly irrelevant and more derivative niche case exceptions*


wait

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
The Dutch are a deranged, racist and profoundly ignorant people, almost as bad as the perfidious Boer or Pom. Why would you not wear a helmet biking because they don't wear them?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

thetan_guy42 posted:

There's this weird insistence that cycling is some kind of inherently dangerous activity

in America it sure as gently caress is, see the topic of this thread

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



El Pollo Blanco posted:

The Dutch are a deranged, racist and profoundly ignorant people, almost as bad as the perfidious Boer or Pom. Why would you not wear a helmet biking because they don't wear them?

You wear a bike helmet for safety. I wear it in solidarity with ruthless imperialism. We are not the same.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Magic Hate Ball posted:

We had to rent a car for a trip down to the states this weekend and it sucked. Our hotel was across the street from a starbucks but because they were tearing up the five-lane stroad (to make it a seven-lane stroad lol) there was no sidewalk on the side with the starbucks, so I had to walk on the shoulder with cars slamming past just to get there. What really fucks me up about car-dependent infrastructure is how it's simultaneously self-perpetuating and self-defeating.
$15/gal gas

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

helmet use rates are almost nonexistent in countries where cyclists are incredibly safe compared to here, because they've put the work into making sure that the environment is safe for cyclists. if you're mountain biking down a cliff or something sure, wear a helmet, but someone going a few blocks to the store or dropping off their kids at school absolutely should not need a helmet to do it, and the constant societal pressure to wear one exists because we haven't put in the work to make it safe to do so.

what if you're just super clumsy?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

this guy owns

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347133/Disabled-man-banned-using-road-tank-wheelchair-killjoy-DVLA-chiefs.html

quote:


Disabled man banned from using off-road 'tank wheelchair' by DVLA

A disabled man's incredible tank-style wheelchair that lets him go on off-road adventures has been sidelined by officials because it is too big to use in public.

Jim Starr, 36, was hoping to use the hulking chair, which has caterpillar treads instead of wheels, to enjoy days out at the beach and the countryside with his children.

The Tank Chair is designed to move easily across multi-terrain and Jim, 36, has already driven it through snow, across sand and into the surf of his local beach.


Incredible hulk: Disabled Jim Starr, 36, has been been stopped in his tracks after the DVLA ruled that his Tank Chair cannot be categorised as an invalid buggy as it too wide and heavy for use on public land

But his hopes have been stopped in their tracks by the DVLA who say the Tank Chair cannot be categorised as an invalid buggy as it is 22cm(8.6in) too wide and more than 100kg(15.7st) too heavy for use on public land.

They have told Jim that he must apply for a category H driving licence which allows people to drive track-laying vehicles such as tanks, on public roads.

Jim, a former landscape gardener, has used a wheelchair since 1999 due to chronic back and joint conditions, neurological problems and arthritis which leave him in constant pain.

He was given the £15,000 chair for Christmas by a kindly friend after finding himself limited by his basic wheelchair, which could only travel on smooth surfaces.

The Tank Chair allows Jim, from Dorchester, Dorset, to travel across uneven ground and can even go up hills and dips in the road without being jolted.

Cruise control: The Tank Chair allows Jim, from Dorchester, Dorset, to travel across uneven ground and can even go up hills and dips in the road without being jolted

The motorised vehicle is controlled by a sensitive joystick on the arm of the chair.

The driver is strapped in and the tracks give the disabled user the ability to travel where other wheelchairs can't go.

It has a top speed of 8mph and runs on a 24 volt motor powered by a battery that is simply charged from a socket. Jim hoped the chair would allow him more freedom to go outdoors with his wife Emma, son Leo, eight, and daughter Skye, four.

But although initial checks with the DVLA and police suggested he would be able to use the machine legally, it has emerged it is only permitted on private land.

Jim said: 'The whole idea of the chair was that I could go down to the beach with the kids.

'It is a fantastic machine and can take me anywhere I want to go. It has no limits.

'It is ridiculous that I should have found a chair that could help me do all that, then told I could use it, only for the authorities to turn around and say that if I used it on the roads I would be doing something illegal.

New lease of life: Former landscape gardener Jim was given the £15,000 chair for Christmas by a kindly friend after finding himself limited by his basic wheelchair, which could only travel on smooth surfaces

'NHS wheelchairs are fine but when they get to anything other than a flat, even surface they are useless.

'Even a small amount of grit is enough to make moving the wheels around difficult, they sink in sand and even a slightly uneven surface means you are thrown around, which severely hurts my back.

'I used to be someone who was very into outdoor pursuits before I had to use a wheelchair and I had hoped the tracks would mean I could get back out and do the kinds of think I used to love doing.

'I wanted to take my kids down to the seaside and join them in the water.

'I wanted to take them out for trips to the woods, but I cannot do that with my current wheelchair.

'I have had it checked by the police and their real problem is with the treads being exposed, but I'm quite happy to cover them.

'What I really need is for the DVLA to give me an exemption. Before I was injured I loved doing survival courses and going into the woods.



Stopped in his tracks: According to the DVLA, track laying vehicles fall within category H, which can only be obtained by passing an appropriate test
Stopped in his tracks: According to the DVLA, track laying vehicles fall within category H, which can only be obtained by passing an appropriate test
'I don't want to use this on roads or pavements, but I have to cross roads and pavements to get to the areas where I can use it.

'After I got it I tried it out and then took it to the police to check it was legal - and that's when I found out that I couldn't use it.

'In the future I would like to run charity events so other disabled people can try out the chair.

'In the meantime it would be nice to have an area on private land where I can go and use the chair.'

According to the DVLA, invalid buggies and scooters can be no more than 85cm wide and 125kg in weight. Jim's Tank Chair is 107cm wide and weighs 220kilos.

The DVLA told Jim in an email: 'The Tank Chair is outside the scope of a Class 3 Invalid Carriage due to its weight and the width.

Family outings: Jim was hoping to use the hulking chair, which has caterpillar treads instead of wheels, to enjoy days out at the beach and the countryside with his children

'The is designed for off-road use and therefore would not need to be registered.

'However, if you wish to use the vehicle on public roads then it is a motor vehicle, and will require registration and you will have to have the appropriate driving licence category.

'Track laying vehicles fall within category H, which can only be obtained by passing an appropriate test.'

The Tank Chair has been designed and built by a US firm TC Mobility, which specialise in 'high-performance mobility products' and are based in Arizona.

wheelchairs aren’t cars and car law is trying to hold back England’s real majesty.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1515838336707051523?s=20&t=QcEJrVdoCz7OVnTu_7lzOA

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


interesting Ballard pastiche

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Take my car in for service, they replace the cover gaskets, now the blower has oil fumes, take it in again, they can't figure it out, take it again for an oil change and for them to actually please fix this poo poo, it turns out it was the filler cap. Fine, that's 15 bucks.

Drive it away, stop, restart engine, check engine light, camshaft position sensor. Honda want 170 bucks for that loving sensor. I can't even diagnose it myself unless I can find a multimeter in my tools or around the office. I have no faith in taking this to any mechanic because I'm sure I'm going to get it back with a different problem. I can't take of it myself because I just have a bare space in a parking lot with whatever tools I can find, and I only have like one day a week I'm not required to be somewhere (by car) to take care whatever its latest loving need is.

If only I could just share a large vehicle with many other people, and this vehicle goes back to a garage at night with technicians who know what they're doing and have the right tools to take care of it, and they have extra ones in case that one needs to be fixed.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

why is everyone hooting and hollering about helmets

i only like helmets with chemical weapons

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

skooma512 posted:

If only I could just share a large vehicle with many other people, and this vehicle goes back to a garage at night with technicians who know what they're doing and have the right tools to take care of it, and they have extra ones in case that one needs to be fixed.

ok, sure. and I bet you want to not have Kill Zones 6 feet from every building, too. and while we're at it why don't we give you enough money for your work to buy food and shelter, and a comfortable retirement, too??

get out of here.

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

actionjackson posted:

in America it sure as gently caress is, see the topic of this thread

which is why you should go ahead and wear a helmet if you're so inclined, but the danger comes from cars hitting cyclists all the time and helmets do exactly nothing to prevent that, all they do is give you an extra dice roll to maybe not come out of it super hosed up. telling cyclists to wear helmets is what you do in your bad hosed up country instead of fixing your streets, and thinking about helmets as the guarantor of safety instead of road design/vehicle design/enforcing the law on drivers is a great way to ensure that people keep getting hit.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

which is why you should go ahead and wear a helmet if you're so inclined, but the danger comes from cars hitting cyclists all the time and helmets do exactly nothing to prevent that, all they do is give you an extra dice roll to maybe not come out of it super hosed up. telling cyclists to wear helmets is what you do in your bad hosed up country instead of fixing your streets, and thinking about helmets as the guarantor of safety instead of road design/vehicle design/enforcing the law on drivers is a great way to ensure that people keep getting hit.

I think we could have the greatest bike streets in the world and as long as they were operated by americans, people are gonna die. If fewer.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
if you come off your bike because of a bad bit of road or something you didn't see at night, while going at 30+kmh, you want to be wearing a helmet, idiots

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

what’s a kmh

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
wearing a fully aerodynnamic suit including padded helmet for increased speedwalking efficiency + coverage in case i fall like huel from hit series Breaking Bad (only possibly in america because of his freedom to drive a winnebago out into the beautiful countryside to cook meth)

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

Milo and POTUS posted:

I think we could have the greatest bike streets in the world and as long as they were operated by americans, people are gonna die. If fewer.

uh sure, maybe, i guess. in the meantime in real life and not in a hypothetical we have insanely lovely streets and far and away the highest helmet usage in the developed world, and that clearly isn't the solution because we also have cyclist death rates that would make people in other countries blush, including countries where almost no one wears helmets

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


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cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

El Pollo Blanco posted:

if you come off your bike because of a bad bit of road or something you didn't see at night, while going at 30+kmh, you want to be wearing a helmet, idiots

and if you're riding at 10km/h in a well lit city with good bike roads you probably won't need one. how is this hard to understand

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Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
every cyclist should be required to wear warhammer power armor equipped with bolters capable of penetrating through cars and plasma weapons for destroying tesla cars (the ones that fail to self detonate)

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