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Ailumao posted:honors are evil. if i start a hand with like one of 2 different honors and discard one i will invariably immediately pick up a second of the one i just discarded. I can't tell you how frequently I've discarded a dragon just to have my next two draws be that same dragon.
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Pretty much. I usually look to start getting the rest of my hand in order before I start dumping honors unless I see the rest of the table doing so.
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Jun 2, 2022 05:06
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as well as relaxing over holding honors I have striven to get better with my defense and folding hopeless/low scoring hands, especially in the face of a riichi call or two in the second half
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Jun 2, 2022 05:18
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The second worst feeling in the world is when everybody is in riichi but you The worst feeling is the above but when the round ends and you're the only one not in tenpai
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Jun 2, 2022 05:24
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My favorite is still "Furiten? Wait why am I in furiten?"
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Jun 2, 2022 05:40
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Mine is drawing a tile that recontextualizes the have, carefully considering which tile to drop, noticing the timer, then snap dropping exactly the wrong tile and messing everything up.
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Jun 2, 2022 06:56
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I just picked this up yesterday, having only played the game in Yakuza before (Manly, hyper serious dramatic men beat waifus). Still working on learning the yakus, still terrified of calling in case I gently caress up my hand. At least the timer seems more lenient than when playing against AIs. Should I bother trying to read people's discards at this point (besides playing already discarded tiles when someone has declared Riichi), or should I start by focusing on my hand until I feel comfortable with yakus?
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Jun 2, 2022 07:35
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The nice thing about this client is that if you mouse over a tile in your hand it will highlight all the tiles of the same type on the board so you can get an idea of what's safe to drop
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Jun 2, 2022 07:46
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Heath posted:The nice thing about this client is that if you mouse over a tile in your hand it will highlight all the tiles of the same type on the board so you can get an idea of what's safe to drop Yeah, that helps a lot. I have missed at lest one win by checking one tile, and then discarding it accidentally by not dragging it back enough, but that's on me.
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Jun 2, 2022 07:57
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Fat Samurai posted:I just picked this up yesterday, having only played the game in Yakuza before (Manly, hyper serious dramatic men beat waifus). Still working on learning the yakus, still terrified of calling in case I gently caress up my hand. At least the timer seems more lenient than when playing against AIs.
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Jun 2, 2022 08:54
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:My favorite is still "Furiten? Wait why am I in furiten?" Riichi!!! Take that...er, what do you mean no yaku? And furiten? 
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Jun 2, 2022 15:09
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Psa to always wait a bit before calling ron. Some Doofus in my last game gave up a lot of points cuz they mashed ron immediately instead of letting me call kan first. I actually never encountered that situation before but it didn’t give them robbing a kan so you do need to wait for the kan to be called. Bilirubin posted:Riichi!!! Take that...er, what do you mean no yaku? And furiten? I played Chinese styles of mahjong for years before taking up riichi and yaku is very annoying as many no yaku hands in riichi are perfectly valid in Chinese mahjong. Speaking of Chinese mahjong, my favorite style of Chinese mahjong is in Mahsoul right now as Bloodshed skirmish. It’s sichuanese style which is super duper fast and my favorite kind to play in person still. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Jun 2, 2022 17:06
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you can't do that, all calls have to be made simultaneously (and Ron overrides pon/kan which overrides chi). Robbing a kan only applies when you already called an open pon and self drew the fourth copy.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:11
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I'm starting to think that my impulse to go for toitoi as soon as I have four pairs is a mistake. Is it weird to think that not losing points in a round is a success? It feels weird. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Jun 3, 2022 |
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Jun 3, 2022 12:44
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Not weird at all. Playing perfectly defensively and having someone else deal in is magnificent. Going for toitoi, chiitoitsu, or just sitting tight, with four pairs... it's hard to tell.
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Jun 3, 2022 13:42
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I know I'm often very tempted by toitoi and go in on it and very often screw myself in doing so. Especially if a lot of my pairs are like 677, 233, etc.
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Jun 3, 2022 23:23
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Fat Samurai posted:Should I bother trying to read people's discards at this point (besides playing already discarded tiles when someone has declared Riichi), or should I start by focusing on my hand until I feel comfortable with yakus?
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Jun 4, 2022 04:29
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silvergoose posted:Going for toitoi, chiitoitsu, or just sitting tight, with four pairs... it's hard to tell. I tend not to push too hard on four pairs alone, unless one of those pairs is yakuhai or dora. Having paired terminals or 2/8 tiles that look relatively easy to come out also plays into the decision-making. Toitoi and chiitoitsu being only two han each really want to have some additional value to make them worth going for. That's especially true if you're calling and closing off some of your defensive options: pairs can be useful when you have nothing better to fold, since if one discard passes, the other one should too. For my own playstyle, if I have four pairs in my hand, I'll often quietly hold on to them until my hand develops away from keeping them all, or until I get a closed triplet or fifth pair to help push me towards a toitoi or chiitoitsu hand. Being a generally passive, call-adverse player, it often ends up going against those hands, since they can be tricky to draw into. MrBlarney fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Jun 4, 2022 |
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Jun 4, 2022 11:05
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I decided to make the final push from adept 3 to expert and it went much quicker than expected   Current stats before they get trashed in the gold room. I played east only in bronze just to learn the game, then moved on to south once I hit adept.  It's a really fun game overall, although I find east games to be a bit coin-flippy for my taste. I much prefer taking the time to play a longer game.
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Gratz on Expert! You can still play in silver room as Expert if you need a break from the intensity of gold room, too. I took a few months break and when I came back I dove right into Gold South games and pretty quickly scrubbed back down to Adept, but I'm almost back up there now that I've remembered a few of the keys to playing good jong, like "don't click every shiny button".
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Jun 6, 2022 17:33
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but they are sooo shiny
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It really does seem like a universal experience, where you rank up and then immediately get busted back down, but then hold your own once you recover and have learned the skills you need to survive. Side note - where exactly are the rules for streaming and delays on Majsoul? I know the conventional knowledge is "5 minute delay in Jade and above" but I've never been able to find that rule in the Terms of Service and it's not in the Jade Room rules pop-up. Sometimes delays are mentioned in a news update, but that's it. Is it even still a rule?
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Jun 7, 2022 21:24
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5 minute delay for jade room was removed last august, p sure it exists for higher ranked rooms still
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Jun 7, 2022 21:49
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:5 minute delay for jade room was removed last august, p sure it exists for higher ranked rooms still
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Jun 7, 2022 23:45
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it was mentioned in patch notes, idk if it's actually written down somewhere https://mobile.twitter.com/MahjongSoul_EN/status/1430132447862087699/photo/2
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Wanted to share a replay from a game I just had to see if anyone has advice for me to improve (and partially to show off my insane turnaround in South 1). I think I did pretty well in the South rounds, but I’m pretty sure there were some blunders in the East rounds. My connection was pretty spotty early on so one or two mistakes might have been from that, but definitely not all of them. Also, here are my current stats—I’m Adept 2 792/800 points. Let me know if anything looks egregious there.  edit: also mahjong is so fun lol
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wocobob posted:Wanted to share a replay from a game I just had to see if anyone has advice for me to improve (and partially to show off my insane turnaround in South 1). I think I did pretty well in the South rounds, but I’m pretty sure there were some blunders in the East rounds. My connection was pretty spotty early on so one or two mistakes might have been from that, but definitely not all of them.  The last two discards in east 1 were very dangerous. You were still two tiles away from a winning hand, with only 2 tiles left to draw (unless you got a pon). But there were no 5s or 8m visible at this point, so it is extremely unlikely that someone would discard a tile that dangerous this late, and there was only one 8p left, so the odds were not good for you. For a hand that would have been worth 1600 points. Meanwhile, the player to your left was in riichi, there were 3 dora left that you couldn't see(high chance that someone has them in ther hand) + 2 sets of ura dora. If you got hit by that it could have hurt a lot (The ura dora would not have mattered in that game, because they were 4p and 6m, but you had no way of knowing that). You should have given up on that hand and played defensively there.  One round later, there were no draws left for you, and you still tried to push that hand, even though 4m would have been a 100% safe discard. e: two more more games: East 2 - 2  There was absolutely no need to open your hand and Kan there. Just let it pass and you would have had 3 100% safe tiles to discard if necessary.  Discarding the 4m killed you there. But even if it passed, it would have been a bad discard. Discard the 1m instead: - safer discard in general - the 4m discard left you with a 12m shape, waiting for 3m. discarding 1m instead would have left you with 24m, which is still waiting for 3m. But 24m is a stronger shape because it can turn into 45m if you draw a 5m. ---- South 2  6m was another very risky discard this late in the game. Also, 22m was your only pair, so even if you are still trying to win the game, 1m would have been the correct play there. e2: Last one South 4  That 2p Pon left you with a 25p wait. But now you have already used 3 of the 2ps and discarded a 5p (Furiten!) so that wasn't the best idea. Tamba fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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wocobob posted:edit: also mahjong is so fun lol  Tamba posted:
 learning defensive play myself and I find them helpful
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Just hit Novice 3. Mahjong is fun. 
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My call rate is still stupid high from being a novice and ponning all the things. Have to see those drop down some--its down 15% from its peak but still, ugh
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Realizing I don't actually have a lot of the values memorized as far as what's 2 han vs. 3 han, etc., got me thinking: in the standard rule sets, are the hands more or less correctly valued according to the difficulty of making them, at least in vague tiers?
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Nope!! Half outside and full outside are really hard, half flush is pretty easy, etc.
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Realizing I don't actually have a lot of the values memorized as far as what's 2 han vs. 3 han, etc., got me thinking: in the standard rule sets, are the hands more or less correctly valued according to the difficulty of making them, at least in vague tiers? No, ryanpeikou should be Yakuman for how rare it is, not 2 han
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Here's a helpful table from the Tenhou server. The first column is the name of the yaku, the second column is percentage of all winning hands containing that yaku, and the third column is the average han value of that yaku. Sankantsu is much rarer than your average yakuman, but it's still worth only 2 han. Honitsu is way more common than a 2-han yaku should be, but I think many people are willing to overlook that since it's also quite easy to read from someone's discards and defend against. http://tenhou.net/sc/prof.html
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Tamba posted:No, ryanpeikou should be Yakuman for how rare it is, not 2 han  And sankantsu is even rarer than ryanpeikou and several Yakuman.
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Realizing I don't actually have a lot of the values memorized as far as what's 2 han vs. 3 han, etc., got me thinking: in the standard rule sets, are the hands more or less correctly valued according to the difficulty of making them, at least in vague tiers? absolutely not lol Chanta is infamous for being undervalued for its difficulty, and i think ryanpeikou and sankantsu are both rarer than some yakuman
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ryanpeikou in fairness is one of those hands that almost always scores big because it's closed only (for riichi) and i *think* it's a guaranteed pinfu e) nah, i'm thinking of Daisharin (22334455667788 suited) which is an optional yakuman but scores 11 han naturally, without riichi
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I remember being really surprised to find out that in poker, hands actually are ordered in strength according to how rare they are.
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There are also patterns in other Mahjong rulesets that are imbalanced in the other direction. In MCR, or Chinese Official Mahjong, Little Three Dragons (shousangen in Riichi) gets 64 points, which is a yakuman kind of value. And Seven Pairs (chiitoitsu) is worth 24 points, on the same level as a Full Flush (chinitsu). MCR's value assigned to Full Straight (ikkitsuukan) also feels overly high, at 16 points. Maybe that's just me coming from a perspective of being a Riichi player with no experience playing MCR. Maybe those are more reasonable than they look due to MCR's high 8-point minimum hand requirement and (supposed) relatively higher bias towards offense. But as someone who also trusts the combinatorics and math behind Zung Jung Mahjong, I'm willing to believe they're as overvalued as they appear.
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Chanta is such a trap because even if your starting hand looks excellent for it, you need to discard simples all the time which are often the most dangerous tiles to discard. Source: me, who keeps chasing stupid Chantas.
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