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I see two ways for D3 to go, unless night results change things around a lot, or we are really sure we'll nail scum. 1. Lunch the surv. She is not scum barring some amazing redirecting shenanigans, but if anybody could do that they'd have claimed. Her dying will not end the game, but it will secure we don't risk a survivor siding with scum D4. We absolutely cannot mislunch D4, tho. 2. Lunch Lotus. Let them cop Sandwolf, as they said. If Lotus gets killed, Hal will receive the results, tell us, and then we kill Hal instead. Why? Because one way or the other, that way we know if Sand is scum or not. If Lotus or Hal lie, it will not matter, because their only reason for lying would be that they are scum, and they'll die D3. If Lotus or Hal tell the truth, and Sand is scum, D4 we lunch Sand. If he is innocent, D4 we lunch the other scummiest player we find. I'd put DB in there, but that's me. If Lotus or Hal are blocked? Chop. I am rather sure the enforcer was what Lotus said, some kind of passive roleblocker/rolecophybrid. I don't think scum gets two blockers. If any of the town has a roleblock power, don't freaking target Lotus nor Hal. If anyone can redirect, time to claim that!! This requires Maer to vote with us, and us to trust Maer. I'm sure she will volunteer, it's on us to trust her, or not!
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Yeah, 2 is a freaking Gnosia lies triangle, but it's the only way I see here. It does require us to have a core of town players, which IMO we have - Binus is town, I think Hal has a lot of chances to be town, and I think I've been rather clearly read as town all game, but I'll happily step in the ring if you all think I should be there. Maer is not town, it's on us to trust her or chop her. People to be checked IMO here are Lotus (who would die whatever we do), Sand (who Lotus is checking), and DB (or Hal or me or whoever we agree to chance on D4 if everything goes sideways). As long as we can keep it to three choices, we can make it. Assuming not a lot of people fall dead tonight, that is.
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If I am alive, I'd try 2. I think it's the path that allows us a clearer vision of the game, whatever the lunch and cop results are. But - survivor. If people want to go with 1 instead, I get it and won't argue against it. Also just in case I am not alive: if multiple people die N3 and nobody claims to have done it, lunch Maer, FFS. That's a long shot but who knows. And whatever else y'all do: Do NOT feed, I mean visit, Maer!! Do NOT roleblock the cop claim!!
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Jun 7, 2022 19:58
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Shellception posted:This requires Maer to vote with us, and us to trust Maer. I'm sure she will volunteer, it's on us to trust her, or not! I would hope this wouldn't be an issue. Whether it results in a town or scum win, she also wins so there's literally no point in not doing so. At this point, she only loses if she gets voted tomorrow, sure, but she also doesn't gain anything extra from agreeing and then betraying on D4. ...Y'know, I would hope.
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Jun 7, 2022 20:32
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Anyway, I'm fine with either. 1 removes the possibility of Maerlyn's claimed extra quirk giving her a reason to mess things up but leaves understandable doubt with my claimed result. 2 guarantees surety with the result but leaves Maerlyn open to do... I dunno, something and obstruct it. It's easy enough for me to say that, sure, but also let's be real if I turned around and went "Ah but you see, I agreed to be votekilled so that proves I'm town. You can now let me live and trust me, actually" y'all would just vote me anyway (deservedly so). There's literally nothing to be gained from me not going along with either plan too.
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I'm gonna throw now and cost town the game, rawr rawr rawr... Just kidding. Letting me live would be nice. I was gonna say why not vote Sand if we get a result saying he's scum, but if Hal is scum he would know tpink visited me, but he wouldn't have known Nep did. I think he did state that after we'd already discussed it to death so there's room for him to make his role up. We also could do something crazy and look back at votes/posts from D1 but who ever does that? I know Sand voted Lotus with Grandi (same as me), was sniping at Hal and Plastic, tunneling on Hal quite a bit actually. Only certainties I have...I won't vote Shell or binus.
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Jun 7, 2022 20:40
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I win as long as I don't get voted out, so my smartest course of action is to go along with town's plan, since town is ahead. If Shell lives to LYLO I'm voting with her though (BMFFL, best mafia friends for life). But if y'all want to throw me out I don't mind (well this is probably the closest I'll ever get to a survivor win so....keep me please? 🥺)
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(I don't have a secret ability, I am trying to lure scum to visit me 🤫)
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Jun 7, 2022 20:50
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Shellception posted:Can I do this? Bot never came. votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 2 Well, the only people that voted Plastic and Toal are.... me and Maerlyn. Yeah, that looks real bad for me 
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Those smilies might look like garbage on the actual forums, I have no idea.
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Sand as scum we have to believe he voted and stuck on Grandi, a JOAT without flip flopping around despite several opportunities, he could have gone over onto Plastic instead. Seems farfetched. And Hal was immediately after.
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Toal votes are easier to look at and find any that look bad because she's town. No Grandi vote looked particularly like a bus to me, but one of them absolutely had to be.Shellception posted:Anyway, on Toal. Shell has a full case, pre-claim(s). She's also y'know easily the towniest voice in the game above and beyond this. Lotus Aura posted:Yeah, I think I'm convinced that it's probably best to ##vote Toal at this point. Just linking to my vote so other people can check it themselves. It was also pre-claims, so uninfluenced by that. Sandwolf posted:That’s fair, I second what Shell said, I was frustrated with D1 where it felt like people were just engaging with me to call me scum more and it sucked and I had to step away too. I get it. Sandwolf's vote is a... lazy +1. Dick Bastardly posted:i was revisiting the toal case and something shell missed was, in addition to wanting to shift the vote to lotus off of grandi (flipped scum), there was some apparent buddying up to me via agreeing with my town read of tpink (flipped scum). I think DB meant Plastic here, not me? Anyway. it's not quite as full-on in isolation his own conclusion as I thought, but you can see he went back to convince himself instead of simply going along with Shell's case and leaving it there. Maerlyn posted:Well let's just move this along then. Maerlyn. Survivor and voted Toal to keep things moving because we wouldn't vote for her instead.
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Sandwolf posted:One thing I think I agree with Toal about is we need to consider the Maer issue. SK’s claim as survivors, it’s p much their best best, and Maer’s claim conveniently allows for them to kill without any comebacks. unless a vanilla town dies to Maer we won’t know if she’s surv or SK. Suffer not the 3P to live Sandwolf also agrees with Toal's weird idea to vote out Maerlyn... in the off chance she lied and is an SK? I mean, that's a better reason at least but also it doesn't really work or hold up under scrutiny; Shell's already broken down why very well. Also he, uh, he never actually voted Maerlyn for it (this was before voting for Toal, even). Which if you think she's a potential SK you would? I know I would at least.
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Jun 7, 2022 21:05
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Maerlyn posted:Sand as scum we have to believe he voted and stuck on Grandi, a JOAT without flip flopping around despite several opportunities, he could have gone over onto Plastic instead. Seems farfetched. And Hal was immediately after. Yeah, this is what I keep coming back to in my mind as well. If Sand's scum, why sit on Grandi like he did even if the vote itself looks bad? He didn't miss the deadline/hammer since he was here and posting, so the only reason I can think of is that it'd gained too much traction to bail and switch to Plastic without looking bad when Grandi flipped. It's easy credit and is what got him discounted as a D2 vote candidate (except by DB and... Toal...) after all. Hal Insandenza posted:Anyway I truly think it’s Sandwolf but I will ##vote Grandi as I’m not being compelled by these plastic cases It sure ain't Hal, though. Even with all the stuff we got D2 from him that he had no reason to give if scum, his Grandi vote is straight up backwards for a scum player. He could just swap Grandi/Plastic here and probably be fine until we got into a position like this.
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Lotus Aura posted:Yeah, this is what I keep coming back to in my mind as well. If Sand's scum, why sit on Grandi like he did even if the vote itself looks bad? He didn't miss the deadline/hammer since he was here and posting, so the only reason I can think of is that it'd gained too much traction to bail and switch to Plastic without looking bad when Grandi flipped. It's easy credit and is what got him discounted as a D2 vote candidate (except by DB and... Toal...) after all. Mafia edit
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Jun 7, 2022 21:16
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Dick Bastardly posted:I re-read plastic and honestly, I'm not getting bad vibes from their posting. I still think toal is very town for the way they cased PA but I just happen to disagree fundamentally i guess. I am going to a festival with some friends about an hour before deadline so i will ##vote grandi DB's Grandi vote also looks like it could be easy town credit, but I dunno. I think with how late this one was (relatively speaking), there's less incentive to do this and ride it to the end if he's scum. Much like Hal, he could just switch Plastic and Grandi and probably be fine for a while. Also notable, generally, is that DB went back and forth on both me and Grandi before this as well. He ain't just coasting here. He's definitely thinking things through and coming to his own conclusions as we go. Pretty sure it ain't DB either.
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b-minus1 posted:##vote grandi b-minus1 posted:Plastic has been forthcoming with all reads. We’ve just been bouncing reads off each other in the mason chat. It’s an unconfirmed masonry so obviously I can’t be sure, and there was a brief moment yesterday when I started to doubt the town read, but I am not interested in voting him today. I want to see grandis flip Binus was first on Grandi as a serious push, also around during end of day, could have switched at any time but instead straight up said in no uncertain terms he isn't going to. Definitely not Binus. Shell is the loudest, townest voice so her not getting NK'd N1 is the only real reason to have any doubts about her but that's very slight and overruled by... literally everything else she has said and done. Maerlyn is Survivor and if we didn't win off of Toal/me getting votekilled today, she'd have been voted tomorrow anyway as an easy free lunch with that claim. Too risky, and the alternative idea involving her survival came so much longer after that there was all risk, no reward at the time this was done. In conclusion, Sandwolf's almost definitely the last scum.
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home now, posting a list first off then going back and reading over some things: Bona Fide Town: toal (cop), nep (track), plastic (mason), taste(vt) De Facto Town: binus (mason), Hal (medium), maer (pgo), shell (dayvig/vt), myself Bona Fide Scum: tpink (enforcer), grandi (joat) Agentis Mysterium: sandwolf (???), lotus (gunsmith) night results will determine which avenue i will pursue. at this time I will say that i'm thinking it's either sandwolf or lotus
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Sandwolf posted:Binus who do you think is scum? Not going to answer this. I want to wait to see who scum kill
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Jun 7, 2022 22:27
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Yeah it's Lotus I think. Reread tpink, his posts are full of defenses of Lotus.
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Binus, Eve 8, Town Aligned Mason, was killed N2 It is now D3
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Votecount for Day 3 Not Voting (6): Dick Bastardly, Hal Insandenza, Lotus Aura, Maerlyn, Sandwolf, ShellceptionWith 6 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 09th, 2022 at 9 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 2 days, 3 hours.
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Sandwolf is a killer, man. If you trust that, ##vote Sandwolf. If you don't, vote me.
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##vote Lotus
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No reason to have a town cop and gunsmith, you could have been a gunsmith to sniff out the vig perhaps (and make scum aware that there are guns around). Also no offense Shell but....why kill off Binus over Shell? it's an odd choice
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Or I had my offense backwards, not sure but point stands.
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Lotus Aura posted:Sandwolf is a killer, man. can’t say I blame you for trying it ##vote lotus
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too many cops in the doughnut shop plus lotus seemed a bit too concerned about the exact details of Hal's claim reading like scum fishing for info about Hal's PR vice pressing Hal for more info to scum hunt with. ##vote lotus
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Cannot wait to see how Sandwolf tries to talk his way outta this tomorrow.  Pretty sure the real pro-move to do here would've been to withhold the NK to actually be able to throw doubt on the result post-flip. Remember folks, a false positive is impossible here. The only way it could be wrong is if someone redirected it onto actual scum (not Maerlyn; I'm still alive) and the only person who could potentially do that is scum themselves. But Binus is dead so that didn't happen. I'll let Hal or Shell hammer. Dick Bastardly posted:lotus seemed a bit too concerned about the exact details of Hal's claim Quick question here, DB. Literally when? Maerlyn's the only one who asked for extra details about it.
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Man you didn't let me even vote!
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Oh, no hammer. Alright, no hurry.
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Maerlyn posted:No reason to have a town cop and gunsmith, you could have been a gunsmith to sniff out the vig perhaps (and make scum aware that there are guns around). Binus was cleared by a lot of people, and this team isn't killing off the effort players.
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That's unfortunately a Grandi hallmark, so if it is Lotus following Grandi's advice or Sand being cavalier we don't know. What we do know is one of Lotus or Sand IS the last scum. Now there is no posible switch, it's 50:50. What we don't know is tomorrow. I'm a bit asleep and I am not in a hurry to hammer, Opop also probably asleep on the other side tho lol.
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Maerlyn posted:Or I had my offense backwards, not sure but point stands. I'm offended and not offended at the same time.
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b-minus1 posted:Not going to answer this. I want to wait to see who scum kill Opopanax posted:Binus, Eve 8, Town Aligned Mason, was killed N2 Also, lol. Had I been awake I'd have told him to answer (he didn't answer me earlier either) because I'd been seeing the knife coming his way for a long time .
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Maer, lady, you're probably around still. Before you go sleep - anything else you want to tell us? Now's the time. Are you a PGOSK, bomb, or another nasty surprise? Lol.
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Shellception posted:Maer, lady, you're probably around still. Before you go sleep - anything else you want to tell us? Now's the time. Are you a PGOSK, bomb, or another nasty surprise? Lol. No, I just shoot night visitors. Did you save a bullet for me?
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Maerlyn posted:No, I just shoot night visitors. Did you save a bullet for me? Always. Pew, pew.
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