[succ] Go directly to the solutions tent, do not collect 600 dollars

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

ex post facho posted:

So Clarence just authored a majority opinion that all federal law enforcement is basically immune from civil suits, essentially overturning Bivens?

Pretty cool

Preeeeeeeeety cooooooolllll

he basically says they are not overturning Bivens now but they will get around to doing that eventually

quote:

Since it was decided, Bivens has had no shortage of detractors. See, e.g., Bivens, 403 U. S., at 411 (Burger, C. J., dissenting); id., at 427 (Black, J., dissenting); id., at 430 (Blackmun, J., dissenting); Carlson, 446 U. S., at 31 (Rehnquist, J., dissenting); Malesko, 534 U. S., at 75 (Scalia, J., concurring); Hern�ndez, 589 U. S., at ___ (THOMAS, J., concurring) (slip op., at 1); post, at 1�3 (opinion of GORSUCH, J.). And, more recently, we have indicated that if we were called to decide Bivens today, we would decline to discover any implied causes of action in the Constitution. See Ziglar, 582 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 11). But, to decide the case before us, we need not reconsider Bivens itself. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals.

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Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

Lastgirl posted:

chalk it up to malicious incompetence or w/e

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1534582444531322881?s=20&t=DY-5DYABQ1U7XqN_gUHdJw

LOOOOSSSSSEEERS

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:22

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

ex post facho posted:

So Clarence just authored a majority opinion that all federal law enforcement is basically immune from civil suits, essentially overturning Bivens?

Pretty cool

Preeeeeeeeety cooooooolllll

Lol at the libs studiously ignoring this so they don�t have to pretend to be shocked when Biden says it�s good

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:25

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/diazbriseno/status/1534546293128892416?s=20&t=98JOF_EXF2vuPJcxZtpc2A

This week really feels like the US crashing into reality that it has neighbors in this hemisphere after months of playing war in Europe.

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:31

WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/diazbriseno/status/1534546293128892416?s=20&t=98JOF_EXF2vuPJcxZtpc2A

This week really feels like the US crashing into reality that it has neighbors in this hemisphere after months of playing war in Europe.

a new rotating villain appears!

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:34

Bishyaler: Dec 30, 2009; Megamarm

Cool to see D&D moderation is back to probing the poo poo out of anyone who doesn't sing Democrat's praises

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:38

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Tiny Myers posted:

But like 25-pages ago folks were talking about how they do have the ability to lean on Manchin and use leverage. I don't disbelieve it - it definitely feels like more could be done and it's silly they're throwing their hands up and shrugging - but I don't know much about certain aspects of politics, especially in the senate/congress, and was wondering what that leverage or leaning on him actually looks like in practice. Is there some sort of sanctioning they can do?

In addition to what other people said, look what happened to AOC when she indicated she would vote against more military funding for Israel,
she was made to change her vote from no to present as she sobbed on the house floor

Or look up how Biden's signature Build Back Better bill failed last year. It was split off from the infrastructure bill supposedly to get Republican support for the infrastructure stuff with the promise that they would both be passed together. So the congressional progressive caucus said, quite sensibly, "ok then we will hold up the infrastructure bill until BBB passes into law to ensure that Joe Manchin doesn't get his infrastructure and then turn around and sink BBB." Makes sense right, put some leverage on Manchin, if he wants infrastructure he's got to pass all the social welfare stuff too.

And what happened, Biden came down on them like a ton of bricks and forced them to vote for the infrastructure bill alone and Manchin immediately killed BBB once he got his bill through. Showing two things: 1) Biden and the leadership can whip votes when they want to, they just use it against progressives and not the moderates, and 2) when they did have leverage over Manchin the leadership didn't use it and chose instead to fight their agenda's own supporters to force them to give it all up and undermine the administration's own negotiating position with Manchin and Sinema

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:41

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

Tiny Myers posted:

Hi, I'm kind of new to C-SPAM but I've been lurking this thread. It's really interesting seeing the discussions in here but some things I don't understand and I'd like to become more politically radicalized without bothering anybody or imposing. Is there any sort of good place to ask stupid small questions? A thread or discord? Would here be OK? Thank you.

This probably sounds like a troll or something but I swear it's genuine. I've tried to stay politically active and learn but there's gaps in my knowledge and it's hard for me to know where to start learning stuff, to be honest, because there's so much misinfo or people making lovely excuses or straight up lying. But people here generally seem to know what's what.

Like, an example question: I was led to believe that the democrats' hands are largely tied when it comes to getting stuff passed due to Manchin and Sinema. But like 25-pages ago folks were talking about how they do have the ability to lean on Manchin and use leverage. I don't disbelieve it - it definitely feels like more could be done and it's silly they're throwing their hands up and shrugging - but I don't know much about certain aspects of politics, especially in the senate/congress, and was wondering what that leverage or leaning on him actually looks like in practice. Is there some sort of sanctioning they can do?

Again, I swear I'm genuine, I just want to learn.

(P.S. What does SUCC stand for?)

here's some required reading from the c-spam crack ping cinematic universe: https://www.blackagendareport.com/oil_and_global_capitalist_crisis

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:46

papa horny michael: Aug 18, 2009; by Pragmatica

you should just ask questions in the succ thread IMO that's what I do.

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:48

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

WampaLord posted:

a new rotating villain appears!

Bob Menendez was and is always a villain and plainly corrupt

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:49

papa horny michael: Aug 18, 2009; by Pragmatica

Like, an example question: I was led to believe that the democrats' hands are largely tied when it comes to getting stuff passed due to Manchin and Sinema.

There are likely 23-30, if not more democrat party politicians actually against any bit of legislation at any time. They simply don't discuss it publicly and vote as directed, because the legislation won't pass due to 3-4 politicians guaranteed to tank it.

This isn't a conspiracy. Politicians are old, and secure in their job prospects and wealth. New legislation rocks the boat too much.

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:51

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

guidoanselmi posted:

Bob Menendez was and is always a villain and plainly corrupt

he reportedly likes any bribes given to him be presented in the traditional large bag with a dollar sign

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:51

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

joepinetree posted:

Regarding the last few pages, here's what people have to understand: the role of the Democratic party is to stop the left. Not as a side benefit, but as the main objective. Now, lots of ink has been spilled on whether things are rigged, but the rigged debate is mostly about semantics and doesn't matter. The goal is to stop the left, and get people nice careers while doing it. Consider the following:

- look at Biden s and Obama's early endorsements. Most of the time it's in safe blue districts where a centrist is running against a leftist. Biden endorsed someone in Oregon who kept voting against his "agenda."

- go to open secrets (the website) and look for the most expensive races this cycle. They are all in safe blue districts where a centrist is running against a further left candidate.

So as we are about to have the "most important election in our lives where democracy is on the ballot" what does it say that the entirety of the effort is on stopping leftist challenges?

Next, let's think back to 2020.

- where the people responsible for the Iowa fiasco punished, or were they promoted to more influential positions? What does that tell you about whether it was a gently caress up or intentional?

- normally, delegates to the convention are assigned based on primaries. So someone can lose and still have lots of delegates in the convention. 2020 was the first time where Democrats considered suspended campaigns as withdrawn. So go look up who won the most delegates in Iowa or Colorado, for example.

Of course, losing his delegates wasn't enough. At the convention, delegates for Bernie were told that if they even proposed that 2024 have longer early voting or more polling stations for the primaries that the majority would change the rules to free super delegates in the first round of voting. Bernie's delegates had to promise not to propose expanded primary voting in order to extend the "super delegates are bound by results on first ballot" and that is for 2024 only. Note that it wasn't even about extended voting passing, but being proposed at all.

Keep all that in mind when people talk about democracy being on the ballot.

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:52

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

drat theres still hella aocsimps

i wonder if theres still pelosimps for nancy from like when she promised universal healthcare half a century ago or whatever

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:56

1glitch0: Sep 4, 2018; I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

Atrocious Joe posted:

he basically says they are not overturning Bivens now but they will get around to doing that eventually

ELI5

# ? Jun 8, 2022 20:56

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

papa horny michael posted:

Like, an example question: I was led to believe that the democrats' hands are largely tied when it comes to getting stuff passed due to Manchin and Sinema.

There are likely 23-30, if not more democrat party politicians actually against any bit of legislation at any time. They simply don't discuss it publicly and vote as directed, because the legislation won't pass due to 3-4 politicians guaranteed to tank it.

This isn't a conspiracy. Politicians are old, and secure in their job prospects and wealth. New legislation rocks the boat too much.

look at the minimum wage fiasco

schumer took it out at the behest of republicans, it failed the 60 vote margin to be put back in and then for the later reconciliation bill the parliamentarian ruled it wasn't allowed and so the dems kept it out lol

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:01

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

fits my needs posted:

drat theres still hella aocsimps

i wonder if theres still pelosimps for nancy from like when she promised universal healthcare half a century ago or whatever

run before someone posts their twitter accounts

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:01

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Bishyaler posted:

Cool to see D&D moderation is back to probing the poo poo out of anyone who doesn't sing Democrat's praises

They can't go back to it because they never stopped doing that. 10,000 pinnochios. User loses posting privileges for 1 day.

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:04

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Trabisnikof posted:

run before someone posts their twitter accounts

I found a Zapruder Tweet

https://twitter.com/azapruder/status/1080852469893287936

e: wow she�s literally his granddaughter https://www.pilotonline.com/entertainment/books/article_664534ee-73f9-58c6-aaae-91ee7e011c1d.html

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:05

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
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ex post facho posted:

The Supreme Court is not a legitimate institution

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

what was that terrible twitter account that called itself like "pelosi's #1 fan" or something similar

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:17

tokin opposition: Apr 8, 2021; I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

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One could say that the Democrats are... Tokin opposition???

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:21

TheIncredulousHulk: Sep 3, 2012

The good cop/bad cop model is another useful framework for the new posters to apply to their political understanding

Trabisnikof posted:

what was that terrible twitter account that called itself like "pelosi's #1 fan" or something similar

If it's the one I'm thinking of, he had a couple different accounts because he was a lunatic who kept getting banned but the one he had for a long time was something like "Pelosi Force Five"

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:25

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Willa Rogers posted:

what in the world

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1534538041678872577

lol truly imagine for a moment if a trump press sec did this

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:25

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

ex post facho posted:

The Supreme Court is not a legitimate institution

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:26

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

juan watto

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:27

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Juan Guaido is the rightful president of Brazil. It's U.S. policy now, no takebacks

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:29

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

LGD posted:

https://twitter.com/Salon/status/1534492220354609153?s=20&t=zF4ifjEgCaDF6ZUZSrLu7g

lol

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Malloc Voidstar posted:

Don't delete you pussies

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:48

Chillgamesh: Jul 29, 2014

Malloc Voidstar posted:

loving liberals dude

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HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

yeah and there�s another down the line coming saying that they dont have to read you your rights anymore lmao

My prediction with the public defender funding crisis popping up is that they get rid of court appointed lawyers for the indigent within five years

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:55

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

HashtagGirlboss posted:

My prediction with the public defender funding crisis popping up is that they get rid of court appointed lawyers for the indigent within five years

im legit surprised this hasnt happened already

# ? Jun 8, 2022 21:57

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

sexpig by night posted:

lol truly imagine for a moment if a trump press sec did this

i was wondering if she doesnt actually know who juan guaido is of she just messed up reading some poo poo under pressure (not uncommon) and while her resume is certainly suspect she did indeed goto COLUMBIA so..... idk. im leaning towards "dumbass" but im probably wrong.

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lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

Malloc Voidstar posted:

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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

juan watto

my thought exactly

# ? Jun 8, 2022 22:02

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

Smythe posted:

i was wondering if she doesnt actually know who juan guaido is of she just messed up reading some poo poo under pressure (not uncommon) and while her resume is certainly suspect she did indeed goto COLUMBIA so..... idk. im leaning towards "dumbass" but im probably wrong.

probably had some talking points prepared about guiado because she expected to be asked about it because of the cuba invitation and blurted it out because she wasn't expecting to be asked about bolsonaro

# ? Jun 8, 2022 22:02

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Azathoth posted:

probably had some talking points prepared about guiado because she expected to be asked about it because of the cuba invitation and blurted it out because she wasn't expecting to be asked about bolsonaro

im not sure i could talk about bolsonaro without just spamming "covid. ostrich. covid. ostrich"

# ? Jun 8, 2022 22:04

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

Smythe posted:

im not sure i could talk about bolsonaro without just spamming "covid. ostrich. covid. ostrich"

don't forget pooping out his nose

# ? Jun 8, 2022 22:04

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Azathoth posted:

don't forget pooping out his nose

i did forget. thank you

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Smythe posted:

im not sure i could talk about bolsonaro without just spamming "covid. ostrich. covid. ostrich"

https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1329113457694830597

# ? Jun 8, 2022 22:06

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