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If they traded Pastrnak for just the #2 I'd stop watching the Bruins. It'd have to be like Hischier, #2, and then some.
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Pastrnak for just the #2 would be lol so bad for the Bruins
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Jun 7, 2022 18:24
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eXXon posted:... debatably? What's the debate? He's 26. The #2 slot doesn't look unanimously good this year though so probably worth it
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Jun 7, 2022 18:27
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Ginette Reno posted:He's 26. He turned 26 like a week ago so while you're correct, he's not "old" - he's still in the prime of his career and will be for the foreseeable future. McDavid and Matthews are 25. He's right with that age group.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:He turned 26 like a week ago so while you're correct, he's not "old" - he's still in the prime of his career and will be for the foreseeable future. McDavid and Matthews are 25. He's right with that age group. Yeah I'm just saying if you're looking at like a Barkov or Svechnikov in the #2 overall slot maybe you think about it but that's not the case this year. I don't think the Bruins would trade him straight up for that pick anyhow unless they've decided to tank
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Jun 7, 2022 18:37
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The money that they would have to pay Pastrnak is part of the deal.
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Ginette Reno posted:Yeah I'm just saying if you're looking at like a Barkov or Svechnikov in the #2 overall slot maybe you think about it but that's not the case this year. I mean, even then, if your goal is to compete soon then you want Pastrnak, not a guy who might be a Barkov or Svechnikov 4-5 years down the road. Pasta is one of the best goal scorers in the world. Since his breakout season only Ovechkin, Matthews, McDavid, and Draisaitl have scored more goals than him. If I thought my team was going to be contending soon, I would trade the #2 pick ++ for Pastrnak in a heartbeat.
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Jun 7, 2022 18:43
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mcmagic posted:The money that they would have to pay Pastrnak is part of the deal. The right to pay him is worth more than what they pay him. He's a what top 10? 20? offensive player in the league and should be for another 5 or so years.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Pastrnak for just the #2 would be lol so bad for the Bruins Yeah, but that #2 pick could be anything! It could even be a David Pastrnak!
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Jun 7, 2022 19:03
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Laine scored 44 goals in his 2nd season, and building on top tier ELCs is one way to win (in a brief window) but yeah, there's no Laine-level prospect this year, at #2 or #1. With hindsight, if you'd traded a #2 OV for a 26-year-old, top 5-10 goalscorer, most years you'd do alright. 2016: Stamkos/Marchand (lol), 2017: Tarasenko/Atkinson, 2018: Seguin/Hall/Lee. Pastrnak now is one of the better examples from that group.
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Jun 7, 2022 19:05
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Didn't Pastrnak say he'd play for free a couple years ago? Maybe the Bruins are holding him to that.
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if they trade Pasta, that is a full-on sign for a 1-year tank. With just now trading for Lindholm, I'm not sure it makes 100% unless they commit to it and start trying for a 2-3 year rebuild. If they're trying to remain competitive still, then there's all kinds of interesting/fun hockey trades to make. Would not be surprised if Vancouver/JR tries to throw Miller (with an extension) or Horvat or Petersson at them. I think they'd regret that along the lines of the Seguin-Eriksson trade. Seems like without Bergeron, they'll be in dire need of centers, but I'm not sure of a team aside from Vancouver that really has one. Maybe they try to trade him for any young assets and then go after a free-agent center, but even then...I would be trying to maximize my lottery chances next year if I were them. They'll need talent soon. I think they're in the worst position out of TB/FLA/BOS/TOR to be overtaken by Buffalo/Detroit soon. I would not be surprised to see Buffalo make it over them next year, but I think Detroit is still a couple of years away. Montreal seems like they'll be in the tank this year, and I'm not sure Ottawa is going to be significantly better, either.
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Something like that. He grew up poor with a single mother so I remember him saying he was stoked about getting any kind of money for playing hockey. The nice thing about the Bruins too is they've managed to a develop this culture where players (at least the good ones) want to be career Bruins and take discounts, so I'm hoping he follows that path too.
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I hope the tank jobs for improved Bedard positioning are blatant next year. Just chaos for the last month of the season at the bottom.
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Jun 7, 2022 20:00
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The top like 5 picks almost never get traded and if they do it's typically just for another pick within that range (trading slightly up/down).
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A one year tank is not really something you can do. The theory seems interesting--Marchand and McAvoy are both set to miss at least the first half of the season, a generational talent is up for grabs, maybe we can suck just for one year--but the Bruins still have too many good players. They'd have to really clear house and commit to being bad for several years, not just one, to actually get bad enough to compete with the Coyotes and Senators and Kraken (and probably Islanders) for lottery position. That's before considering other teams currently much worse than the Bruins that may choose to go full Tank Hard For Bedard like the Blackhawks, Flyers, Sharks, Ducks, or Jets. They'd have to hire Blashill or Bylsma or Yeo or someone like that with the full intent of firing them after one year. All that for like a 15% better chance at Bedard.
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re: Pastrnak -- Would have been interesting to have seen the kind of return Eichel would have gotten if he didn't have a hosed up neck.
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Jun 7, 2022 20:14
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https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1534253187175452673?s=21&t=l1yyET80tSR5HL6l4B9i_Q
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1534253187175452673?s=21&t=l1yyET80tSR5HL6l4B9i_Q I love how the 2015 draft starts out exceptional, has an oopsies run of Crouse-Gurianov-the Boston 3 from picks 11-15, and then just keeps rocking immediately afterwards with Barzal-Connor-Chabot
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The Bruins have enjoyed such playoff success over the past decade that I don't think their fans care too much about it, but I laugh endlessly thinking of how they managed to gently caress up three straight picks so bad in such a stacked draft. (DeBrusk isn't a total bust though he doesn't look great sandwiched between Rantanen and Barzal)
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Jun 7, 2022 22:37
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The guy who did that won GM of the year like 3 years later lol And this year may have forced out Pastrnak.
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Keith Mars posted:The Bruins have enjoyed such playoff success over the past decade that I don't think their fans care too much about it, but I laugh endlessly thinking of how they managed to gently caress up three straight picks so bad in such a stacked draft. (DeBrusk isn't a total bust though he doesn't look great sandwiched between Rantanen and Barzal) Yea pretty much. It's hard to be too mad when they've been a playoff team for basically the last 15 years, three finals appearances (and one win), etc. We're overdue to be a bad team again. But man, that 2015 draft was rough. Debrusk was a bit of a reach that luckily panned out for the most part, although I didn't like it at the time. Zboril hasn't really panned out and looks like a depth guy, but at least he went in the range he was "supposed" to go in, so it really only looks bad in hindsight. Senyshen though...man that was bad. If they had picked just about anyone else who went after that in the first round they'd be in a very different situation now. You can even keep the Debrusk and Zboril picks the same and get any of Barzal, Conner, Boeser, etc., and no one would mention it today. The thing that bothers me about it in hindsight is that clearly their scouting staff wasn't, like, horrible. They got Carlo in the 2nd who is a very solid #3 defensive defenseman, Lauzon in the was also a 2nd pick and he's probably a 3rd pairing guy but still a NHL player, Vladar in the 3rd is a NHL level backup now. It just seems weird that they could hit on these later picks and get NHL regulars but not be able to correctly identify who to pick at 15. I think the "Pastrnak is going to want to leave" stuff is overblown but I might also be lying to myself because I don't want to imagine a team where he's gone. If (or when, if it's not immediate) Bergeron retires and if/when Pastrnak leaves I'd honestly consider switching to whatever team gets him even after being a life-long Bruins fan, because the team that's left behind will not be particularly interesting.
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The Dirty Burger posted:I love how the 2015 draft starts out exceptional, has an oopsies run of Crouse-Gurianov-the Boston 3 from picks 11-15, and then just keeps rocking immediately afterwards with Barzal-Connor-Chabot The 2015 draft seems an outlier for how deep it was too. Sure, most of the first round picks end up playing hundreds of games, but you start going down that list and there's an above average number of players in the deeper rounds that are playing a lot of games and some very successfully. Not so for the few years before and not really after yet either. But poking around the list did leave me to see Jacob Middleton as the last pick in 2014 and he's turning into a reasonably good player at defense. So so much of this is just a lottery and not just 1OA.
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Eric the Mauve posted:A one year tank is not really something you can do. Hi did you watch the Montreal Canadiens this season
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I meant on purpose edit: one year tanking on purpose I mean, I definitely did not watch the Montreal Canadiens on purpose this year
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/1534253187175452673?s=21&t=l1yyET80tSR5HL6l4B9i_Q Yeah Gurianov is a frustrating player.. he shows flashes of amazing skating ability and a howitzer of a shot, he's been a big asset on the PP at points in time and when he gets paired up with people who can cover for his deficiencies when he doesn't have the puck.. I'd say this is a last chance contract with a new coach, and if he doesn't get back on track it's another former Dallas 1st round pick flushed down the toilet.. he can go join Nichushkin in Colorado and put up a 70 point season. **the thing that frustrates a lot of Dallas fans is when the Stars would go stretches (including in the playoffs) where they would get like 20 shots a game on average and score 0 or 1 goals in each game all while Gurianov and Jacob Peterson were regular healthy scratches.. like the team offense last year was at the same level (actually slightly worse at 5v5) than the likes of the Arizona Coyotes, Seattle Kraken and the Ottawa Senators... They kind of need to work with these kids and get them going or we are turbo hosed for the next 2 or 3 seasons minimum. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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Even with all the injuries, Taylor Hall will just do what he did in his MVP season and drag the team kicking and screaming to 15th place.
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Canucks signed a man https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1534285795946770432?s=20&t=b48zz-NIa9WIYdbI3AWUNQ
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Starsfan posted:Yeah Gurianov is a frustrating player.. he shows flashes of amazing skating ability and a howitzer of a shot, he's been a big asset on the PP at points in time and when he gets paired up with people who can cover for his deficiencies when he doesn't have the puck.. I'd say this is a last chance contract with a new coach, and if he doesn't get back on track it's another former Dallas 1st round pick flushed down the toilet.. he can go join Nichushkin in Colorado and put up a 70 point season. Yeah, I feel like this team has the potential to pounce back and be a consistent wc team or completely fall apart and win 20 games. Gonna be interesting what awful choice for coach Nill lands on.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ShutdownLine/status/1534613582838652929 Amazing chart.
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Even more amazing how there are only 13 goalies on it? There doesn’t seem to be any limitations on which ones were selected by round or anything else?
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Oh my god i want to frame this
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Someone somewhere got paid lots of money to think "Lets go in to the playoffs with Mike Smith as our starting goalie. What could go wrong?".
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Furnaceface posted:Someone somewhere got paid lots of money to think "Lets go in to the playoffs with Mike Smith as our starting goalie. What could go wrong?". Even better this was the 6th time he's been in the playoffs and absolutely nothing has changed about his game since 2010. And yet teams keep relying on him.
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Smith outplayed Markstrom, and the latter is a Vezina finalist. Clearly the Oilers need to keep Smith for at least another 5 seasons.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Definitely should have signed someone like Markstrom intsead who definitely would have stolen a series. Holland tried to.
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Misanthrope posted:Holland tried to. Don't you dare ruin my joke
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https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1534278960049270791?s=21&t=jYg4om0gGQxsqSCdWssrZA This rules
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1534325647300079616 Off the ice, sure. On the ice, uhhhhh
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