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I really enjoy lower decks, but I have a problem with something as idiotic as the Dooplers being canon.
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Jun 8, 2022 19:44
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I imagine every Star Trek will have an Elon Musk reference going forward.
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Jun 8, 2022 19:48
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In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. Like wasn't Isaac Newton also kind of an rear end in a top hat?
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Jun 8, 2022 19:50
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. Newton didn't have a twitter account
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Jun 8, 2022 19:55
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chglcu posted:I really enjoy lower decks, but I have a problem with something as idiotic as the Dooplers being canon. Nice going, now TWO of them are canon!
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Jun 8, 2022 19:59
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chglcu posted:I really enjoy lower decks, but I have a problem with something as idiotic as the Dooplers being canon. I don't even know what that means, but I don't like your tone.
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Jun 8, 2022 20:09
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. Next thing you're going to tell me that Thomas Edison, great hero of science, was a jerk who stole credit from other people's inventions
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Jun 8, 2022 20:10
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. There is already an Elon Musk parody. It just happens to be in Ducktales. :p
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Jun 8, 2022 20:25
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shades of eternity posted:There is already an Elon Musk parody. Mark Beaks was more a pastiche of Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs at the outset, but history has morphed him into a more of a dead-on Elon Musk parody as time progresses, and Musk was never even on anyone's radar at the time the show was being made.
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nine-gear crow posted:Mark Beaks was more a pastiche of Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs at the outset, but history has morphed him into a more of a dead-on Elon Musk parody as time progresses, and Musk was never even on anyone's radar at the time the show was being made. Yes, in 2018 nobody had even heard of the guy who launched his own personal car into space just because it would look cool, and whose hyperloop idea had been a recurring joke on the Internet for like six years. 
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Powered Descent posted:Yes, in 2018 nobody had even heard of the guy who launched his own personal car into space just because it would look cool, and whose hyperloop idea had been a recurring joke on the Internet for like six years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x_Agf5zmq8 Any excuse to watch this again. I just love this video.
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CPColin posted:Nice going, now TWO of them are canon! 
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HD DAD posted:IIRC the line was ad-libbed by Jason Isaacs in hopes he’d get a Tesla out of it. Lmao 
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Lower Decks is the best and I can't wait for more. I hope it runs for many great seasons.
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Jun 8, 2022 22:23
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. He won't, who will be left to remember him? "Man remember that guy who was trying to go to space before we had to retreat behind the walls"
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Jun 8, 2022 22:31
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3 AM eastern on Thursdays.
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feedmyleg posted:What time does SNW actually drop? midnight pacific-ish
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Dang. Looks like I'm watching it in the morning, then.
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. Newton wasn't kind of an rear end in a top hat: he was basically a litigious copyright squatter who made life hell for everyone that crossed him before that was even a thing. Like the dude spent decades beefing with Leibniz over who came up with the idea for calculus because Leibniz had the gall to publish it for the world to use when Newton just thought it was a convenient shortcut but had no real application and so never bothered sharing it with anyone outside of his immediate circles. He was also something of a mad scientist and was completely loving obsessed with alchemy to the point that he saw that as his life's real work and not, you know, modern physics. However, no one knows this because he had real good PR in the form of the Royal Society and Voltaire (who was really more anti-Leibniz than pro-Newton) and he absolutely had Leibnizian physics buried, which may actually be closer to how the universe functions than Newtonian. It wasn't really until the 20th century that we started going back and rediscovering how useful a launching point Leibniz's work was, and even Einstein identified himself as a Leibnizian. On top of that, Newton was a snitch. He was in charge of combating the declining value of the Pound and actively worked to catch counterfeiters who were devaluing the currency. The guy is a fascinating study in just being a jerk to everyone, having poo poo priorities, being championed by sycophants who want to ride his coattails, and potentially holding humanity as a whole back because he insisted on doing things his way. So, you know, the comparisons to Elon might be spot loving on. Except Newton was actually smart as well, just a dick who didn't consider that he might be wrong about certain things.
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Atlas Hugged posted:So, you know, the comparisons to Elon might be spot loving on. Except Newton was actually smart as well, just a dick who didn't consider that he might be wrong about certain things. Yeah the difference was Newton was one of the great geniuses of history. I don't think Elon is stupid but he ain't Newton.
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You've also got to remember that the context of the line was Lorca slipping in Musk's name into a list of famous people who pioneered or facilitated transportational breakthroughs. Namely the Wright Bros. and Zefram Cochrane. At that time, the big thing Musk was famous for was funding the first successful private space firm venture, a private space firm venture that had basically replaced NASA as the go-to medium for getting technology and people into orbit and beyond after NASA retired the space shuttle and replaced it with an overdue IOU for... something, I dunno. To be determined, stand by. Everyone thought the crazy gently caress was serious about getting people to Mars by 2025, when a few more years in the public spotlight revealed him to just be a human shitpost with ADHD who just wanted to make money and doing space poo poo was an in vogue way to make some cash at the time.
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SpaceX is still a huge success, so big in fact that they seem to have outgrown the launch market. Starship would be such a revolution in lift capacity that they have to rely on the hope that somebody will come up with a good application for five times the current launch capacity to make good their investment. Tesla has pretty clearly failed in its EV moonshot because they could never get production volume high enough, but SpaceX is looking like it could really be 80% of the space launch market in 2030. Just in time for none of that to matter I guess. Elon Musk is CEO of one of these two companies and at the other one he seems to kinda just wander in and geek out. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah the difference was Newton was one of the great geniuses of history. I don't think Elon is stupid but he ain't Newton. I think elon is stupid. Rich and lucky and charismatic in that con-artist way I find so obnoxious, but still dumb as hell.
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nine-gear crow posted:You've also got to remember that the context of the line was Lorca slipping in Musk's name into a list of famous people who pioneered or facilitated transportational breakthroughs. Namely the Wright Bros. and Zefram Cochrane. At that time, the big thing Musk was famous for was funding the first successful private space firm venture, a private space firm venture that had basically replaced NASA as the go-to medium for getting technology and people into orbit and beyond after NASA retired the space shuttle and replaced it with an overdue IOU for... something, I dunno. To be determined, stand by. At the risk of sounding like a Musk apologist, from what I've seen from interviews he seems to be a genuine space enthusiast. But more to the point, what SpaceX has done with Falcon 9 is already revolutionary, not to mention extremely loving difficult. Starship will be even more so (if successful). You don't develop extremely advanced rocket tech just capitalize on a fad to make a quick buck. The company almost went bankrupt in its early days due to a number of failed launches. bltzn fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Spock: "Elon Musk. From 2021 through 2036, the richest man on your world." McCoy: "The last of the billionaires to be overthrown." Scott: "I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one." Kirk: "Musk was the best of the billionaires, and perhaps the most dangerous." Spock: "Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless billionaire is--" Kirk: "Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless." Scott: "He revolutionized the space launch industry." Spock: "At the cost of burning out countless idealistic aerospace engineers." McCoy: "He accelerated the phaseout of the gasoline car." Kirk: "And of course he bought Twitter." Spock: *looks aghast* "Gentlemen!" Kirk: "We can be against him and admire him all at the same time." Spock: "Illogical." Kirk: "Totally."
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Captain, I find it highly illogical that we "gotta hand it to 'em"
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The problem I have with this is that it puts all the credit for SpaceX on Musk, which is basically just the "great man" theory of history, a fallacious approach. SpaceX very likely has done all of the great things posters upthread have stated, but if not for Musk then someone else, and if not for SpaceX, then another organization. There are multiple competing companies (plus other countries doing their own things, like China successfully launching its own missions and building its own space station) and tons of government funding going out, so the idea that Musk is somehow responsible, when he's not doing the designing of the rockets or leading the missions himself, is sort of absurd to me. Like Khan was an actual genius who planned the battles and managed an empire on top of being a capable warrior in his own right. Musk at best is approving budgets and possibly involved in hiring upper management. He's spread so thing across his ventures that it's hard to see any one as any more than just a vanity project with his name on it left to more capable people to run.
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FishFood posted:I think elon is stupid. Rich and lucky and charismatic in that con-artist way I find so obnoxious, but still dumb as hell. It's not a hill I'm going to die on but I think dumbass and stupid are different things. He's absolutely a dumbass, no argument there.
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Hot Dad at least wrote a good song about Elon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvSJORwb134
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nine-gear crow posted:Mark Beaks was more a pastiche of Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs at the outset, but history has morphed him into a more of a dead-on Elon Musk parody as time progresses, and Musk was never even on anyone's radar at the time the show was being made. wrong character.
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Elon is a bit of a media creation in that he's a terrible public speaker. Go watch any presentation he does. At his best he's a poor presenter and at worst he's an absolute mess. The idea that he's charismatic or charming is kind of a glamour that the media has projected on him. He's even awkward in his Iron Man 2 appearance. The only real communication skill he has is that one on one he's quite glib and voluble. He clearly spends a lot of time thinking about the details of his operations, and if you don't know enough to sift the bullshit from his statements he seems authoritative. Follow his track record though and like 9/10 things he says turn out to be wrong. I think most serious people realize that his wealth is mostly the fabulous overvaluation of Tesla, which is Wall Street's doing. So Musk is this privileged, lucky, arrogant kid who has never had good people skills but cashed out of the 2001 tech boom at the right time and doubled down by buying Tesla and SpaceX, both of which have been huge successes over the last 10 years. SpaceX has genuinely put out a revolutionary product: the Falcon 9 is a world-beating product in its class. Tesla has been far more successful on far more vaporous promises. In 2016 they looked poised to take over the US EV market and seven years later they're still failing to meet modest production targets. If the rest of the US auto industry hadn't spent the last 20 years building bigger and bigger trucks and literally collecting and crushing every EV they'd ever sold* Tesla would never be valued like it is today. *no really, they did that
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shades of eternity posted:wrong character. ...Oh Christ I just realized. Glomgold is Elon Musk  Literally a South African fake billionaire narcissist rear end in a top hat driven by insane grievances and a microsecond attention span.
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nine-gear crow posted:You've also got to remember that the context of the line was Lorca slipping in Musk's name into a list of famous people who pioneered or facilitated transportational breakthroughs. Namely the Wright Bros. and Zefram Cochrane. At that time, the big thing Musk was famous for was funding the first successful private space firm venture, a private space firm venture that had basically replaced NASA as the go-to medium for getting technology and people into orbit and beyond after NASA retired the space shuttle and replaced it with an overdue IOU for... something, I dunno. To be determined, stand by. Even if they built a teleporter from here to mars, it's still not something elon musk ever did. He's not an inventor, he's not an ideas guy, he's not handy, he's not a genius. Wright brothers actually built and tested their poo poo, Zefram Cochrane is a genius inventor who worked with a team on engineers to make a warp drive. He didn't just be like "gee a way to go faster than light magically would be nice" and throw money he didn't earn or deserve around until some genius inventor or team of engineers make it. History shouldn't praise or remember the people with too much money, anything they're doing with that money, the people the money belongs to could do, since they're the ones doing it all along.
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Khanstant posted:Even if they built a teleporter from here to mars, it's still not something elon musk ever did. He's not an inventor, he's not an ideas guy, he's not handy, he's not a genius. Wright brothers actually built and tested their poo poo, Zefram Cochrane is a genius inventor who worked with a team on engineers to make a warp drive. He didn't just be like "gee a way to go faster than light magically would be nice" and throw money he didn't earn or deserve around until some genius inventor or team of engineers make it. History shouldn't praise or remember the people with too much money, anything they're doing with that money, the people the money belongs to could do, since they're the ones doing it all along. I think this is an especially important lesson to remember in the context of the Star Trek universe especially. The universe of Star Trek works because people are able to dedicate themselves to their intellectual pursuits without having to worry about if that will keep them alive. Musk would likely be remembered as a villain, someone who may have contributed to enabling early commercial space flight, but because of his hording of wealth and singlemindedness, held back medical technology that went sorely underfunded, while he also stole credit from the actual brilliant engineers who did the work.
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Funny that a show that some people consider too "woke" does an episode about adrenochrome, but that's Star Trek for ya.
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, if SNW retains this level of quality and continues to climb, they can do whatever the gently caress they want with TOS canon for all I care. SNW remake of Spock's Brain lmao
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You Majalans are talking a lot of poo poo about the sickbay considering how defenseless your shuttle was. Lt. Kirk got better! That ceremony set looks like the one from s4 Disco where they found the race of aliens in cryosleep on their moonship. At least we know the cost of paradise: one child every once in a while.  I'm also surprised they followed up on the M'Benga sick daughter thing so soon after it was introduced.
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