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Olympic Mathlete posted:What we've all been waiting for, kids! Sincerely hope Tesla is made to retrofit every single one.
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It appears the Teslatruck will also have a dipshit wheel https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1534032881789583365?s=20
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Jun 8, 2022 13:28
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That interior is so poo poo, even ignoring the yoke.
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Lake of Methane posted:It appears the Teslatruck will also have a dipshit wheel Tesla has re-invented quarter glass and the techbros will hail this as an incredible achievement
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I'm frankly conflicted. When major manufacturers started making electric models they all looked like regular cars. Cars look the way they do to fit in the box that powertrain layouts have forced them into. You completely remove those boundaries with electric drivetrains. You can do whatever you want with them and everyone just tried to keep the status quo. Congrats to Tesla understanding that a car does not need to look like a car in many respects, but Jesus can we use a little common sense? TLDR: Do electric cars different, no, not that way!
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Jun 8, 2022 14:11
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I'm the waves in the panels. https://twitter.com/WilliamByrdUSA/status/1534234340577656837?s=20&t=i0P9jXEjEnm5xJTJzw5gsQ Also how they not put centre caps on the wheels?
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Darchangel posted:Sincerely hope Tesla is made to retrofit every single one. I love my 3 and was planning on the stupid stainless truck, but unless they drastically overhaul the yoke system to be 180° lock to lock (highly unlikely,) that’s a dealbreaker on a Cybertruck for me.
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I still maintain it looks like something I would have thrown together in AutoCAD during high school.
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Absolute apex of a-pillar windows and I'll fight anyone that says otherwise  
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'm the waves in the panels. It's almost like there's a reason nobody uses totally flat sheetmetal on cars.
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Jun 8, 2022 17:09
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I don’t want the government to say you can’t have weird steering wheels. Just like I don’t want Apple to be forced to be usb-c in Europe. I want usb-c but I don’t want anyone telling me how I should run a business or design products. https://electrek.co/2021/11/03/tesla-owner-install-regular-steering-wheel-model-s-plaid/
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everdave posted:Just like I don’t want Apple to be forced to be usb-c in Europe. I do. One cable that's guaranteed to work with any phone? What's not to like about that? Apple aren't exactly innovating with connectors, just making sure that millions of extra cables are being manufactured to sell for a few dollars apiece. Get rid of that poo poo, it's massively wasteful. Quietly raging about poo poo like this being taken away from you: 
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I’m not raging and I said it would make my life more convenient, I just don’t think it’s the governments place to tell a manufacturer what kind of connector to put on their phones. But maybe you live in an HOA and like to be told what color you can paint your mailbox I have no idea.
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You're using a slippery slope arguement which has historically been used to manipulate people into thinking things that are not true. See DARE and marijuana, for example.
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No, what's happening is you buy a house (apple), and they tell you that you must buy the apple hoa approved mailbox. The apple approved mailbox costs 6 times as much as other mailboxes and doesn't do anything that a normal mailbox can't do. Every two years your house collapses under the weight of the mandatory weekly coat of paint that's part of the terms of the hoa so you have to buy a new house, but you can't keep your old mailbox because it's not compatible with the new house so you have to buy another new mailbox.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Quietly raging about poo poo like this being taken away from you: triggered thinking about the way too much money I spent on a kit to get pictures off a camera phone in 2003. It came with probably a dozen different adapter cables. 
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everdave posted:I’m not raging and I said it would make my life more convenient, I just don’t think it’s the governments place to tell a manufacturer what kind of connector to put on their phones. But maybe you live in an HOA and like to be told what color you can paint your mailbox I have no idea. That's not a black-and-white line. In general I agree with you, but if the connector results anticompetitive monopolization of the market, then it is in the government's interest to step in and get specific. The government's role in the market should be to ensure that it remains competitive and fair. Regulations solve Tragedy of the Common issues, where it is in everyone's interest to have everyone doing a thing, but in no one's interest to do it individually. The government can step in and force everyone to do the thing simultaneously, so everyone benefits.
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I would love to have usb-c on my next iPhone. I’m just saying don’t praise regulations with one hand a whine about to em with the other. People are free to buy android phones all day long no one is making them buy an iPhone
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Also when it results in unnecessary excess e-waste. Obviously, some of this is greenwashing since the VAST majority of pollution and waste has nothing to do with consumer behavior, but still, that's ostensibly why governments should care. Governments have a hand in every level of cellular phones from managing the use of the airwaves to battery safety to how phone numbers and ip addresses are assigned so why draw the line at chargers. Imagined fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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Deteriorata posted:
Then the capitalistic governments are failing spectacularly.
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I'm generally in favor of the USB-C stuff, despite its internal compatibility mess, but I'm hesitant to agree that is should be a government decree. Sure USB-C sounds really good right now, but in 5-10 years it might feel really dated or limited, but the law is absolutely not going to keep up. These sorts of things should have built-in sunset clauses. Apple is already moving stuff over to USB-C. My Macbook and iPad are already USB-C. The iPhone is the obvious next step at some point in the near future. I almost never say this, but this really is a case where I think the market will resolve itself. There's no coercion going on here, if you feel strongly about being an all USB-C consumer you can already easily do that.
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Guinness posted:I'm generally in favor of the USB-C stuff, despite its internal compatibility mess, but I'm hesitant to agree that is should be a government decree. Sure USB-C sounds really good right now, but in 5-10 years it might feel really dated or limited, but the law is absolutely not going to keep up. These sorts of things should have built-in sunset clauses. Yes this is what I wanted to say but did not express clearly
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Guinness posted:Apple is already moving stuff over to USB-C. My Macbook and iPad are already USB-C. The iPhone is the obvious next step at some point in the near future. And yet the newly announced macbook air is back to magsafe.
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Motronic posted:And yet the newly announced macbook air is back to magsafe. You can still charge them over USBC, I'm doing it using the same cable as the monitor output right now.
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Motronic posted:And yet the newly announced macbook air is back to magsafe. And Magsafe is genius and I dearly miss it on my Macbook Pro. Plus I'm pretty sure it can still charge on USB-C if you prefer.
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Guinness posted:Apple is already moving stuff over to USB-C. My Macbook and iPad are already USB-C. The iPhone is the obvious next step at some point in the near future. Under threat of regulation Apple moves towards USB-C. Clearly, regulation is not needed.
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Deteriorata posted:That's not a black-and-white line. In general I agree with you, but if the connector results anticompetitive monopolization of the market, then it is in the government's interest to step in and get specific. Safety too I suppose. Like PRNDL on transmissions for example. It would probably help electric cars if all manufacturers adopted *at least* the same size/style charging plug. If not standardized charge rates though I suppose they aren't really "safety things".
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Safety too I suppose. Like PRNDL on transmissions for example. It would probably help electric cars if all manufacturers adopted *at least* the same size/style charging plug. If not standardized charge rates though I suppose they aren't really "safety things". They already have, everyone except Tesla* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I *Tesla's going to start supporting it too, sort of
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:They already have, everyone except Tesla* Oh, uhhhhhh well carry on then
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everdave posted:I’m not raging and I said it would make my life more convenient, I just don’t think it’s the governments place to tell a manufacturer what kind of connector to put on their phones. But maybe you live in an HOA and like to be told what color you can paint your mailbox I have no idea. Except where safety is involved, and that loving yoke is a safety/drivability issue. IF they'd have cranked up the steering ratio to match, maybe. But they didn't, and it's dumb and dangerous - therefore: government (NTSB) intervention. It would even be tolerable if the yoke was an option, but it's not. It's the only control device in several of the new models or trim levels, as I understand it.
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I'd definitely pro USB-C. Carry a couple of cables and a multi-charger to hit up my phone and Switch and Switch controllers. And a MicroUSB to charge my backup battery (I can't find a small size one with USB-C). And a Lightning cable ever since I bought an iPad (and has been useful to lend to iPhone users). And a special battery charger for my camera's manufacturer specific batteries. And I used to drag along a cable to charge my health trackers when I wore them. And my laptop requires a power brick. I also got a couple of NES and SNES style Switch controllers, one is MicroUSB and the other requires a unique pin plug. Both from the same company. The market will fix all this!
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Most stuff in my house is USB-C now, personal laptop/work laptop/phone/mouse/headphones etc. It's just my wife's iPhone and iPad that are outliers, and legacy stuff like PS4 controllers.
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Lake of Methane posted:It appears the Teslatruck will also have a dipshit wheel The only Tesla truck should be the one Simone Giertz made.
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Zero One posted:I still maintain it looks like something I would have thrown together in AutoCAD during high school. When I was in my last year of highschool, circa 1997-98 school year, we had a program where you could "build" a car on the computer in the autoshop. Naturally all the guys wanted to build a car that could go as fast as possible, and the body shape that was the most areodynamic and thus fastest (equipped with the most powerful engine etc..) was basically a wedge something like the cyber truck, but without the end cut off at the back. I guess in side profile it looked like a really wide, and low triangle dealie. So obviously the 1998 highschool autoshop student that designed that thing was trying to make it go the fastest.
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OK so those who are on the 'freedom for multiple cables' side of the discussion, please note that this is the same side as the UK government, known geniuses.  https://twitter.com/Usherwood/status/1534800446619017217?t=jHqVKaxp4XPrWrbS8c0b1g&s=19
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Standardization is good. We need to have common, open and enforced standards. If someone wants to come up with a brilliant connector design, they can submit it to become the new standard connector or an approved alternative for special use cases. I don't care about Apple's whining about "not being able to innovate". A proprietary, incompatible connector is not innovative. E: while we're at it, standardize all food and drink containers, too. I don't give a poo poo about Coca-Cola and their "unique bottle design". They're selling soda, so they can use The Standard Carbonated Beverage Bottle. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Previa_fun posted:triggered thinking about the way too much money I spent on a kit to get pictures off a camera phone in 2003. It came with probably a dozen different adapter cables. I had an Ericsson T68 with the snap on camera module in 2002. Through sending into Ericsson a bunch it eventually ended up with Sony Ericsson firmware and new games thanks to the company name change, yet still had the old Ericsson logo on the back. (SE branded the T68M/E/I whatever random combo depending on territory). Now getting photos off was a complete pain and my only solution was emailing or iRDA. I also remember some dude on one of the big phone forums which I forget the name of (not XDA or GSMArena, but started with E) would custom make any themes/backgrounds/screensavers/animations and MMS them to you from Sweden with his balling contract.
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KozmoNaut posted:Standardization is good. We need to have common, open and enforced standards. Not the be the weird nerd, but the proprietary incompatible connector came first, years before the rest of the industry settled on something worse, and now they're being forced to switch to that? I'd be salty too. I agree that standardization is good though
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Data Graham posted:Not the be the weird nerd, but the proprietary incompatible connector came first, years before the rest of the industry settled on something worse, and now they're being forced to switch to that? I'd be salty too. No, Apple has openly fought standards for years. This goes back to when they pushed Firewire over USB, believing Firewire would win out (it was superior than USB at the time, but USB was more widely adopted). USB-C was already being pushed as a standard by the USB group, Apple made their own connector for no other reason than uniqueness, they could've used USB Micro like everyone else without issue. It was just more of Apple locking you into their own ecosystem. Even more, Apple refused to allow others to license the connector design they used, basically ensuring that Apple's design couldn't be widely adopted.
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