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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
The 22H2 installer from within WU insists on TPM 2.0. Goddamn.

--edit:
Wow, that's mean. It's just a gatekeeper app. As soon it detects your system to be compliant (i.e. me reenabling fTPM), it closes and tells WU to go ahead, which then takes back over.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 8, 2022

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WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Combat Pretzel posted:

The 22H2 installer from within WU insists on TPM 2.0. Goddamn.

--edit:
Wow, that's mean. It's just a gatekeeper app. As soon it detects your system to be compliant (i.e. me reenabling fTPM), it closes and tells WU to go ahead, which then takes back over.

Are you on an insider channel?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Yeah, Release Preview.

Also, the drat update blew up my manual DNS settings. It suddenly lists the 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 ones from Google instead of pointing towards my Adguard server. wtf :toot:

--edit:
This dumb motherfucker exploded the network configuration in relation to Hyper-V (again) during a major upgrade. Why the gently caress does this keep happening?

Also, this:



How about telling me/highlighting the offending setting, or giving me a drat reason for the issue, you twatwaffles at Microsoft?!

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jun 9, 2022

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

Gotta be lack of DNS?

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
About 15 odd years ago I had to change my DNS settings for a while because my ISP's were messed up.

Is there any advantage to using Google or Cloudflare DNS settings now, given that my ISP servers are working normally?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

codo27 posted:

Gotta be lack of DNS?
No, it was related to the big upgrade breaking the Hyper-V virtual switch, which did all IP duties before. It still had said IP address assigned to it. You'd figure that in this day and age, the configuration UI ought to be able to tell me "No can do, IP address 1.2.3.4 is already assigned to other_device" or some poo poo.

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Is there any advantage to using Google or Cloudflare DNS settings now, given that my ISP servers are working normally?
They won't be doing any DNS level blocking of hostnames your ISP might do, because of random injunctions against torrent and porn sites. Not sure how prevalent this is where you live.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jun 9, 2022

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Is there any advantage to using Google or Cloudflare DNS settings now, given that my ISP servers are working normally?

Google, cloudflare, et al, have good support for DNS-over-HTTPS or -TLS which is good for privacy but also prevents some possible (but unlikely IRL) attacks. Most ISPs are spotty on that.

Your ISP also likely does data collection of DNS queries, possibly just in general but also possibly tied to "anonymous" accounts that are easily de-anonymized to you. Cloudflare I'm particular has a pretty good privacy commitment for their DNS.

ISPs are very often prone to do lovely hijacking of non-existent domains to serve ads instead of returning NXDOMAIN like they should. IMO this is the best reason to use better DNS resolvers.

If you have a good ISP that does things right then you don't need to switch. (Also tell them to expand to my neighborhood.)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I think in the past there could have been an issue with using a third-party DNS where you'd be sent to a server other than your ISPs on-net cache for things like Netflix, though now I think that's all handled via anycast so not as relevant now.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

New fun windows 11 experience: StartMenuExperienceHost.exe and SearchHost.exe crashing and re-launching every two seconds, making using the start menu impossible. The fix: using StartAllBack's replacement start menu.

I have no idea what the hell is actually causing that, but it's pretty annoying!

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

New fun windows 11 experience: StartMenuExperienceHost.exe and SearchHost.exe crashing and re-launching every two seconds, making using the start menu impossible. The fix: using StartAllBack's replacement start menu.

I have no idea what the hell is actually causing that, but it's pretty annoying!

update: I did a system restore and everything was fine again until tonight, when windows randomly blue-screened while watching twitch. then it kept blue screening when trying to boot, so I reset my bios and it still blue screened (even when trying to boot into safe mode) and now my computer won't even post lol.

Guess I have a lot of troubleshooting in store for me tomorrow...

editing in another update because I don't want to triple-post with what's now a mostly off-topic thing: I went to turn on my computer again, and after a few failed boots, it started up just fine? I reset the BIOS except this time it's full defaults (no XMP or anything). No blue screens or weird behavior all day. The fact that it refused to post for a while last night tells me that there's some kind of lurking hardware issue, but I have no way to troubleshoot it if I can't reproduce it... Maybe I need to reseat the GPU or something (I did take it out to plug in a new storage drive a week ago).

Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jun 12, 2022

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
One time i had a memory stick blow completely out while the computer was running. I blamed everything including the CPU and mobo but in the end, just a new stick did the trick. I'd start with that

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
Thanks for the DNS chat. I'm with BT in the UK so not sure what they're like tracking users. I'm a bit wary of using Google's DNS because privacy.

Posted from my Android phone.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


BT have (officially) stepped back from any tracking stuff they were trialling, and that was probably a decade ago now.

Even if you change DNS servers it's still all happening in plaintext, so if you're concerned about that you need to be looking at using DNS over HTTPS, either locally on your clients or by deploying a DNS server in your network and having that resolve external addresses using DoH.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Thanks Ants posted:

BT have (officially) stepped back from any tracking stuff they were trialling, and that was probably a decade ago now.

Even if you change DNS servers it's still all happening in plaintext, so if you're concerned about that you need to be looking at using DNS over HTTPS, either locally on your clients or by deploying a DNS server in your network and having that resolve external addresses using DoH.

Neat - how do I do this in simpleton terms?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Neat - how do I do this in simpleton terms?

a. use firefox: firefox has its own built-in DNS-over-HTTPS resolver that ignores your local OS's settings in favor of connecting to cloudflare's DNS whenever possible. no additional steps required.

b. follow these instructions to enable DoH in Win11

c. buy a raspberry pi, follow some way more complicated instructions, get both adblocking and DoH at the same time.

d. your home router may have options for DoH (or the similar DNS-over-TLS)

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Klyith posted:

a. use firefox: firefox has its own built-in DNS-over-HTTPS resolver that ignores your local OS's settings in favor of connecting to cloudflare's DNS whenever possible. no additional steps required.

b. follow these instructions to enable DoH in Win11

c. buy a raspberry pi, follow some way more complicated instructions, get both adblocking and DoH at the same time.

d. your home router may have options for DoH (or the similar DNS-over-TLS)

Thanks very much son! I'm already on Firefox, the One True Browser, and I'll explore the other steps.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot
what do you mean, opera gx is the only browser for pro gamers, made by pro gamers. it has all the features you could ever want in a browser

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I just noticed my laptop was starting to get a bit toasty even though I wasn't doing anything intensive. Turns out it started to download and install an update while on battery. :wtc:

I went through all the update settings and apparent it's possible to disable updates on metered connections, but not while the computer is running from battery power. What the hell. Does anyone know if there's a registry hack for this or something? I tried to google it of course but doesn't seem to pop up.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Nice stealth energy saving measure. The last big update (or so) dropped my display timeout from 10 to 5 minutes (I guess via the default balanced power plan). I was already wondering whether I was having blackouts or something when quickly going to the shitter and getting back to a blank screen, which never used to happen before.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

mobby_6kl posted:

I just noticed my laptop was starting to get a bit toasty even though I wasn't doing anything intensive. Turns out it started to download and install an update while on battery. :wtc:

I went through all the update settings and apparent it's possible to disable updates on metered connections, but not while the computer is running from battery power. What the hell. Does anyone know if there's a registry hack for this or something? I tried to google it of course but doesn't seem to pop up.

The actual fix is never trust windows to do anything that makes sense. Go upgrade to Pro. Then run GPedit.msc. Turn off automatic updates (set that value to a 2) and presto, now life is good again.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Don't disable Windows updates.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

redeyes posted:

The actual fix is never trust windows to do anything that makes sense. Go upgrade to Pro. Then run GPedit.msc. Turn off automatic updates (set that value to a 2) and presto, now life is good again.

Wait no, turning off updates in 2022 is maybe the dumbest advise ever given. Actually loving dangerous.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



If you don't like being surprised by updates, check for them manually when you start Windows.

If your updates risk overheating your machine, you have other problems. Some software is more demanding. Open up your laptop and blow away dust.

If you really want to turn off updates because you hate them, ok, it's your machine. Best keep your network and data as secure as possible, as you'll be behind everyone else in terms of security.


Edit: it's me. I'm the victim of Cunningham's Law

Heran Bago fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 20, 2022

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
Stop making my device consume less energy when I'm making GBS threads, microsoft! :argh:

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
i had to disable the display timeout because ever since upgrading to 11 whenever it happens, when i try to get the screen back on my computer doesn't respond to any button presses for like a full minute... and then the screen suddenly turns back on and Windows speedruns through every button press you did while it was frozen

site fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 20, 2022

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Heran Bago posted:

Don't disable Windows updates.
Don't tell me what to do, you're not even my real dad!

Heran Bago posted:

If you don't like being surprised by updates, check for them manually when you start Windows.

If your updates risk overheating your machine, you have other problems. Some software is more demanding. Open up your laptop and blow away dust.

If you really want to turn off updates because you hate them, ok, it's your machine. Best keep your network and data as secure as possible, as you'll be behind everyone else in terms of security.


Edit: it's me. I'm the victim of Cunningham's Law
I get that updates are important but now I have to manually check for updates before unplugging my laptop because MS can't implement an extremely basic option of not downloading and installing updates when running on battery? Even android just asks me if I want to do it when it's plugged in at night and somehow it's fine.

And it's not overheating, but it's passively cooled so I can easily tell if something is gobbling up my precious watthours

redeyes posted:

The actual fix is never trust windows to do anything that makes sense. Go upgrade to Pro. Then run GPedit.msc. Turn off automatic updates (set that value to a 2) and presto, now life is good again.
Yes I guess this is the way. Is it possible to upgrade with one of those :10bux: ebay keys?

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

Well thats interesting. The only issue I've had with my current build from 2019 is an issue where it wouldn't resume from sleep properly, or sometimes it would happen on a cold boot as well. Problem with the video card, hasn't happened since I RMA'd. I basically have no problems with my other PCs in the house.

My golden rules: Always update, make a habit of checking once a week or so. Note that optional hardware updates may be hidden in the "optional" section now.

Update your BIOS. Windows seems to be getting better at including that on its own but check your manufacturer support page every few months or so just in case.

Absolutely 100% abstain from any trashware, that being literally anything that claims to speed up/optimize/clean your system. Windows defender is all you need. Stick Ublock Origin on your browser as well.

Please stop using utorrent. Qbittorrent is a good client but there may be better alternatives out there. I really wish it could update in-app instead of pointing me to the website to download the newest version.

And ofc, do your new Windows installs cleanly from USB using media creation tool. You dont need to do these every 6-9 months anymore, either. Unless you really gently caress things up you are pretty much good forever unless you really feel the urge to do some spring cleaning.

Also, please dont use hard disks as boot disks anymore. C'mon people.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

site posted:

i had to disable the display timeout because ever since upgrading to 11 whenever it happens, when i try to get the screen back on my computer doesn't respond to any button presses for like a full minute... and then the screen suddenly turns back on and Windows speedruns through every button press you did while it was frozen
I'm not sure if it came with one of the recent Geforce driver updates or whether it's a new Windows 11 thing, but when both my screens wake up, Windows does the focus pull thing that it does when you plug in a new screen and reconfigures the desktop, but it does that on both of them. That's also new. I'm not sure whether it entirely unregisters the displays on sleep, or it always happened and just the focus pull effect is new.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

mobby_6kl posted:

Yes I guess this is the way. Is it possible to upgrade with one of those :10bux: ebay keys?

Yes.

Note that "notify for updates" isn't free of annoyance either: MS defender updates are included in windows update, and those frequently update once a day and sometimes twice. So you will see the "updates available" pop-up a lot.


(I used "auto download, notify to install" for quite a while back in `17-`18 when W10 was really bad about rebooting without asking for permission. Nothing bad happened to me, I just made sure to do the updates once a week. But this was also a desktop so I wasn't connecting to strange networks ever. And I'm reading tech sites so I see the news when there's a MS zero day patch now situation.)

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


You should be able to put off updates for up to a month if I remember right, even on Home.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

You should be able to put off updates for up to a month if I remember right, even on Home.
Yep that works, probably a good idea when traveling or something. Wouldn't really address this situation though.

Klyith posted:

Yes.

Note that "notify for updates" isn't free of annoyance either: MS defender updates are included in windows update, and those frequently update once a day and sometimes twice. So you will see the "updates available" pop-up a lot.


(I used "auto download, notify to install" for quite a while back in `17-`18 when W10 was really bad about rebooting without asking for permission. Nothing bad happened to me, I just made sure to do the updates once a week. But this was also a desktop so I wasn't connecting to strange networks ever. And I'm reading tech sites so I see the news when there's a MS zero day patch now situation.)
Oh yeah I remember that, good luck with your work, I'm rebooting now! It seems to mostly be ok on the desktop now, it'll download stuff and then notify that there's an update so as long as I don't ignore that for weeks, it won't do anything dumb. I just don't get why they can't do this very basic and obvious check.

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Something about the newest cumulative update (KB5014668) is tasking the hell out of my brother's 2700x, eventually causing his PC to lock up. Uninstalling the update solves the issue.

I installed the same update on my PC with a 3600 and am having no problems. :confused:

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?
After the last GA update (as far as I can ascertain), applications seem to always open up in the background unless I open them from the start menu. E.g. I have the Files file browser which is bound to win+E, and it now opens in the background. I also use Fluent Search as an application launcher, and if I launch the built-in calculator from that (or the button on my keyboard) it launches in the background.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

I was excited when Media Player made its return lately. What a disappointment. Hardly any context options, or any options at all. Whats so hard to understand about how to make this poo poo good? I guess nobody uses local media players besides me

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

codo27 posted:

I was excited when Media Player made its return lately. What a disappointment. Hardly any context options, or any options at all. Whats so hard to understand about how to make this poo poo good? I guess nobody uses local media players besides me

Everyone else in the world already knows about MPC-HC and VLC.

Any MS-made Media Player bundled into the OS, when those two very good options exist, is gonna be made for the people who saved a video off their phone and don't want any options other than double-click -> play.

CatHorse
Jan 5, 2008

Klyith posted:

Everyone else in the world already knows about MPC-HC and VLC.

Any MS-made Media Player bundled into the OS, when those two very good options exist, is gonna be made for the people who saved a video off their phone and don't want any options other than double-click -> play.

MPV or Plex/Jellyfin

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Combat Pretzel posted:

…you twatwaffles at Microsoft?!

Was this organic or are you cadging it from that chart of combination curses by frequency from reddit?

I’m conducting a survey :regd09::pipe:

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

I don't know how representative of general trends the Steam hardware survey is, but W11 installs are only growing by less than 1% a month and haven't even cracked 20% of the total so far.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


I got a Win11 laptop from Costco a while back and it's great, except for one thing. I like to put it to sleep instead of shutting diwn, but it doesn't want to go to sleep.

Like the screen will come back up on a hair trigger. Taking my hand off the mouse after clicking sleep is enough to wake it. Are there any settings I could tweak? A way to get a good old hibernate state?

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redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Go to device manager and turn off power "Allow this device to wake the computer" on your HID Keyboard/Mouse.

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