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forkboy84 posted:To collaborate with Sinn Fein to destroy the UK at the instruction of his master Jeremy Corbyn, agent of the FSB Is that the cool stuff Rayner was talking about?
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Mebh posted:Seems FTTP cityfiber is now connected in my area, so I'm doing the joyful dance of reading shitloads about ISPs. I'm assuming these are gigabit speeds? Cos £40 is a lot for Internet.
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Mega Comrade posted:I'm assuming these are gigabit speeds? Cos £40 is a lot for Internet. Ya 900 up / down
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OwlFancier posted:Why is he in Ireland other than for a piss up? Someone post the full image of Guavanaut'a avatar
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Failed Imagineer posted:Ireland Minister for Foreign Affairs making Kieth look like the wee man he tries to hide that he is coveney is clearly uncomfortable with the moisture level of that handshake imo
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crispix posted:coveney is clearly uncomfortable with the moisture level of that handshake imo Failed Imagineer posted:the wee man
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the stupid oval office has probably given him a mason's handshake lol
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wuwuruwrgh tohp of thuh mawning to yhou and a chucky aw laugh mustuh irushmun aruaruhg
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I love this thread and even if it’s occasionally too cynical even for me, the last few DALL-E pages have been a great joy. Thank you.
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Kegluneq posted:https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1534999120452149248?t=R8r1tvnC4db4q_5YbQ_Eog&s=19
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when did paul mason become crazier than a shithouse rat i remember when he was on newsnight doing reports about funding for school dinners and that
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The lizard people and the gnome people are funding turkey twizzlers.
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my dad gave me his book post-capitalism ages ago and i remember thinking it was dumb even then its basically about how the left is too concerned with long dead old european thinkers like marx and lenin, but actually theres this OTHER long dead russian guy who got it all right and we should all follow instead. then no ideas on how to apply any of it e: by far the "best" lefty book though was Capitalist Realism which was all about how miserable and poo poo everything is, but dont worry we can come up with an alternative together. then before that happened the author killed himself because his GP couldn't see him coz the NHS is dead Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:my dad gave me his book post-capitalism ages ago goondolences for having paul mason as a dad
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Communist Thoughts posted:my dad gave me his book post-capitalism ages ago and i remember thinking it was dumb even then I mean I do massively think Marx and Lenin etc are incredibly important and still relevant, but I do think certain sections of the left should probably acknowledge that we no longer live in the 1910s and adapt accordingly. There's nothing more cringy than 'revolutionary' groups that have six members and act as glorified book groups, spending their whole time wanking over The German Ideology, selling pointless newspapers, and getting snooty about theory. That said I do not think the answer to this is to pick a different dusty old philosopher to wank over. Capitalist Realism is amazing though, Fisher is criminally underrated and has far too many uncharitable takes thrown at his grave. Don't even get me started on left-wing criticism of the vampire's castle, jfc. e: Did Paul Mason used to be good? I somehow remember him being decent back in the day. Was he another nominally radical guy who went off the deep end and became a melt because Corbyn wanted to open gas chambers and send armalites to the RA and turn every wetherspoons into a mega mosque and *cough* make people like him pay an extra hundred pounds in tax per year to fund basic social services *cough* ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:my dad gave me his book post-capitalism ages ago and i remember thinking it was dumb even then "OTHER long dead russian guy" - who he? Trotsky or Stalin?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:"OTHER long dead russian guy" - who he? Trotsky or Stalin? My money's on the bread guy
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ThomasPaine posted:There's nothing more cringy than 'revolutionary' groups that have six members and act as glorified book groups, spending their whole time wanking over The German Ideology, selling pointless newspapers, and getting snooty about theory. That said I do not think the answer to this is to pick a different dusty old philosopher to wank over.
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ThomasPaine posted:My money's on the bread guy Oh yeah I forgot about him Kropotkin I started reading his book too so I shouldn't have. It's on a device though hence not finishing it yet.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:"... and all my opinions, which are just off camera, you can't see them.'" I do have opinions, they just go to another school!
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Paul Mason used to be pretty normal, or at least was much, much better at hiding it. I've seen lots of hints online that he's a heavy drug user but don't know how much of that is true.
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He does give me the energy of someone who spend a considerable portion of his life blasting his brain cells with acid
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I haven't gotten round to sitting down and reading kropotkin but I thought he was an anarchist and certainly thought capitalism was a load of shite?
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Mason appeared to just completely lose the plot after supporting Starmer for the Labour leadership and Starmer turning out to be a poo poo melt. He's spent the last year or so coming up with convoluted explanations for how Starmer's still good and I guess from all this an unstated pillar of that confidence in the boozy barrister was that Mason considered himself waist-deep in intelligence intrigue.
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OwlFancier posted:I haven't gotten round to sitting down and reading kropotkin but I thought he was an anarchist and certainly thought capitalism was a load of shite? Yes pretty much, but Mason still considers himself on the left and anticapitalist, if way smarter than everyone else, so it scans. It could equally be any number of oldy timey political philosophy types, I haven't read his book and have no plans to!
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OwlFancier posted:I haven't gotten round to sitting down and reading kropotkin but I thought he was an anarchist and certainly thought capitalism was a load of shite?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:"OTHER long dead russian guy" - who he? Trotsky or Stalin? Nikolai Kondratiev. "Who?" you ask? He was an economist in 1910s/20s Russia who served in a minor post in the Kerensky government for a couple of days before the October Revolution. He was a proponent of the NP & ended up dead in the purges. Look, I've read a decent amount on the Russian revolutions & had never heard of him either, pretty sure Paul just wanted to be esoteric
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I never got the whole doubling down insanity poo poo people do when their chosen idol turns out to be a moron. Like. I really wanted Corbyn to win and loved his policies but after he got completely bodied and a lot of the info of the past few years came out that he was pretty naive... I totally just shrugged and agreed that yep, he's more a nice pacifist jam grandad who wants socialism for everyone regardless of background rather than a super sharp politician. The people who stake their whole identity on supporting a thing also seem to assume everyone else does which i guess is why they keep jumping up and down on a very very dead horse.
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Mebh posted:I never got the whole doubling down insanity poo poo people do when their chosen idol turns out to be a moron. Some people really do not like to admit "I was wrong" Where as me, a cool & well balanced person, does not like to admit when I am right.
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I don't think anyone is going to argue with you on that. Corbyn is a very nice man and would have been a good PM and has a level of sheer tenacity that took him further than most other people would have in his position, but he made some absolutely stupid strategic mistakes as leader, mostly based on him being far, far too charitable and patient.
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ThomasPaine posted:certain sections of the left should probably acknowledge that we no longer live in the 1910s and adapt accordingly I mean, yeah, some things have changed since the 1910s, but the fundamental mechanisms of capitalism haven't. You can't just say "Well those ideas are from a long time ago, we should throw them out". I started reading Tony Benn's "Arguments for socialism", written in 1979, and honestly most of it could have been written yesterday. Yes, lots has changed, but even more stuff hasn't.
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Question from an American: Why hasn't either of the Miliband brothers resurfaced in politics?
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't think anyone is going to argue with you on that. Corbyn is a very nice man and would have been a good PM and has a level of sheer tenacity that took him further than most other people would have in his position, but he made some absolutely stupid strategic mistakes as leader, mostly based on him being far, far too charitable and patient. He made some mistakes but does that make you or me or anybody else wrong to have supported him? I'm certainly never going to say "I was wrong about Corbyn" because I think I had the measure of him at the time: He wasn't perfect, not as militantly left-wing or as ruthless as I'd have liked, but he was the best option available, and playing a rigged game. You could say he was naive but he made greater inroads for leftism within the mainstream political sphere than anybody else in my lifetime has. E: Arsenic Lupin posted:Question from an American: Why hasn't either of the Miliband brothers resurfaced in politics? Because neither of them has any charisma whatsoever and they're both liberals with nothing interesting to say.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Question from an American: Why hasn't either of the Miliband brothers resurfaced in politics? David I think moved to america and works for some business or other, ed is in politics, he's in the shadow cabinet, but you only generally get one crack at being leader because if you come back everyone remembers all the bad poo poo you did.
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WhatEvil posted:He made some mistakes but does that make you or me or anybody else wrong to have supported him? I'm certainly never going to say "I was wrong about Corbyn" because I think I had the measure of him at the time: He wasn't perfect, not as militantly left-wing or as ruthless as I'd have liked, but he was the best option available, and playing a rigged game. Oh, no, I supported him wholeheartedly and I'd do so again. But we need to be aware of where he went wrong. WhatEvil posted:I mean, yeah, some things have changed since the 1910s, but the fundamental mechanisms of capitalism haven't. You can't just say "Well those ideas are from a long time ago, we should throw them out". My point was more that selling newspapers from stalls etc isn't an effective strategy in 2022. The ideas themselves are good, yes, but you're going to get nowhere like that. One of Lenin's big contributions was successfully adapting Marxist thought to be accessible and appealing to normal people in 1910s Russia. Trying to cargo cult the same strategies successful early 20th century revolutions used is dumb, and I think Lenin would be the first to agree that the people trying to use his work unchanged in the 21st century are kinda missing the point.
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I find generally when I read old stuff I usually either don't get it, or some bits you read it and you're like "that still happens lmao" and then sometimes their thoughts about it can also be interesting and useful. But if something doesn't fit or make sense you don't have to try and make it work like it's the bible or something.
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