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Grendels Dad posted:Check this out: You can use the correct pronouns even though that person is an rear end in a top hat. You don't need to go all "his this" and he" that" to get back at them for being a violent asshat, it just makes you look like a dick. Now extend this to other aspects of human relations and you have my take. It's not "defending a person's honor" to point out that accusations aren't evidence and that it's always a good idea to hold your fire until the person is investigated (and they will be). The whole "once a person has sinned they're subhuman garbage who has no right to anything" worldview is a right-wing one.
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Grendels Dad posted:Check this out: You can use the correct pronouns even though that person is an rear end in a top hat. You don't need to go all "his this" and he" that" to get back at them for being a violent asshat, it just makes you look like a dick. person can mean a man or a woman lol e: i see where i hosed up. point well made should have put in their
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Now extend this to other aspects of human relations and you have my take. It's not "defending a person's honor" to point out that accusations aren't evidence and that it's always a good idea to hold your fire until the person is investigated (and they will be). The whole "once a person has sinned they're subhuman garbage who has no right to anything" worldview is a right-wing one. This is what I'm gonna have to disagree with. Why put out any sort of sympathy for a person who has been physically assaulting multiple people on camera? Invading people's homes? This person is hurting people, and while I'm not going to say they are sexually assaulting a minor (though seemingly kidnapping them from their parents would for a non famous person lead you to think the latter is occurring), they should be loving separated from them post haste. gently caress Ezra seriously.
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McCloud posted:A quick tldr on that: The parents of 18-year old Tokata Iron Eyes (a badass name) are accusing Ezra of grooming Tokata from the age of 12, but Tokata (who identifies as non-binary) said on their instagram that their parents are transphobic, are trying to put them in a conservatorship against their will a la Britney and that they experienced abuse at home hence why they left. I like that you left out that the parents found bruises on Tokata and took them into detox because it doesn't fit your narrative. And that Ezra was giving them LSD. and Tokata didn't have anything like a license, car keys, or bank card. But sure, let's wait and see because Ezra Miller certainly hasn't done anything wrong before.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Ezra is non-binary, please refer to them as a person and use they/them Historically, like most cultures before 1988, the Lakota did not have a non-binary gender. They did and do have the concept of a "winkte", which traditionally meant a feminine man but has generally been broadened in the past few decades to apply to most gender non-conforming people. The obscurantist way people are talking about this incident - wherein a white man (with a documented pattern of abuse) allegedly abused a Lakota woman - replicates the colonial violence and cultural erasure (genocide) to which the Lakota were historically subjected. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Historically, like most cultures before 1988, the Lakota did not have a non-binary gender. They did and do have the concept of a "winkte", which traditionally meant a feminine man but has generally been broadened in the past few decades to apply to most gender non-conforming people. The obscurantist way people are talking about this incident - wherein a white man (with a documented pattern of abuse) allegedly abused a Lakota woman - replicates the colonial violence and cultural erasure (genocide) to which the Lakota were historically subjected. Well this is certainly a post.
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Codependent Poster posted:I like that you left out that the parents found bruises on Tokata and took them into detox because it doesn't fit your narrative. And that Ezra was giving them LSD. and Tokata didn't have anything like a license, car keys, or bank card. Ah yes my "narrative" of "hey, maybe don't make assumptions when there is a supposed account from the alleged victim calling bullshit, let's wait and see how it shakes out". Guess you're right, Codependent Poster, let's just listen to the parents and put Tokata in a conservatorship against her will right away, that will obviously be the best thing for her.
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Jun 9, 2022 23:09
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Regardless of what Ezra Miller might have done, I think it is high time they got beat up by Elliot Page.
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Jun 9, 2022 23:21
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ImpAtom posted:At very least those parts I mentioned are verified, there are even photos of them together at clubs. There is a lot that isn't 100% confirmed but the minimum stuff that is stands out. That's fair. My concern is that Tokatas voice gets lost in the media circus and assumptions being made. Like I said before, grooming/abuse victims defending their abuser is not uncommon, and this needs to be investigated, but I'm also concerned this might be a case of parents finding new ways to abuse their child since they're out of reach. Neither of the alternatives are mutually exclusive, but with conflicting accounts I don't think it's a radical position to not make assumptions, especially not considering how media can distort things in the name of ratings
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McCloud posted:Ah yes my "narrative" of "hey, maybe don't make assumptions when there is a supposed account from the alleged victim calling bullshit, let's wait and see how it shakes out". Hmm yes. Summarize the article but leave out the parts that put Miller in a bad light and then immediately go to the extreme about taking all of Tokata's rights away. No bias in your recap of that story at all. And let's not make that huge leap that Ezra Miller, who has assaulted at least 3 people, hasn't assaulted Tokata when they said they found bruises. Better defend that person who took a 17 year old to London and furnished them with LSD, and who paid for their college, and started this relationship when Tokata was 12. That's all super normal behavior and not at all like grooming and brainwashing. But no, McCloud, you better immediately jump to saying that it might be their parents are terrible people. How about the fact the court has granted the parents a protective order, but nobody can locate Miller to serve it?
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Codependent Poster posted:Hmm yes. Summarize the article but leave out the parts that put Miller in a bad light and then immediately go to the extreme about taking all of Tokata's rights away. No bias in your recap of that story at all. I'm going to "that extreme" because that is literally what is at stake here you illiterate buffoon. Not only are you taking the parents allegations as facts, you're also outright making poo poo up about the case. The court hasn't granted any protective order, the parents have filed for it, and the hearing on wether or not to grant it is set for next month, which you would know if you knew how to read. Never mind that Tokata posted a video of themselves talking about how distressing it is to not be believed (you know, like you're doing right now ) It's funny how you're talking about narratives and then immediately make poo poo up to make a narrative. McCloud fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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And for good measure, since I know codependent poster can't read, maybe they can listen instead https://www.instagram.com/tv/CemF6FtPNI4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Again, this doesn't prove that they weren't groomed/abused, and the relationship with Ezra should absolutely be investigated, but I am more inclined to believe them over anyone else involved in this
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It’s really unfortunate that the posters ITT are the ones who have to decide the fate of Miller and Tokata and apparently in like the next 20 minutes or else maybe everyone could calm the gently caress down and not read each other’s posts in the worst faith way imaginable
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Jun 10, 2022 01:05
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I see closing the Sexual Assault in Hollywood thread just made all those arguments bleed into other threads. Cool.
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I apologize. I got angry and shouldn't have responded. I'm done with that argument. So Thor tickets on Monday! I hope AMC servers actually work this time.
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Codependent Poster posted:https://people.com/movies/parents-claim-ezra-miller-brainwashed-is-on-the-run-with-their-teen-who-responds-in-new-video/ Wah wah, the condescending baby doesn't like being condescended to. Maybe next time try to not come off as an rear end in a top hat. Also I literally said on this very page, in the loving post right above yours, that they might still be a victim of abuse and an investigation is still needed. For those with reading comprehension, this is not a defense of Ezra nor a claim of his innocence, but again you display an absolute astonishing inability to either read or comprehend written statements, because unlike you, I'm actually concerned about the alleged victims wellbeing, while you seem more interested in knocking down strawmen. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Guy A. Person posted:It’s really unfortunate that the posters ITT are the ones who have to decide the fate of Miller and Tokata and apparently in like the next 20 minutes or else maybe everyone could calm the gently caress down and not read each other’s posts in the worst faith way imaginable It’s very important that everyone form strong opinions about this situation between a bunch of strangers based on incomplete information.
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This certainly doesn't make me want to be alone in a room with Ezra Miller any less than I already did
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2house2fly posted:This certainly doesn't make me want to be alone in a room with Ezra Miller any less than I already did I mean, are you from Hawaii? edit: we can still make fun of Miller for that, right?
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Press release: as we suspected, Thunderbolts is now on the Marvel slate. Jake Schreier has been attached to direct, Florence Pugh will be returning as Yelena Belova and it's expected that Wyatt Russell will be back as well.
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https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1534997261268099072?t=dUHkjUYsEPQyOHKFMPuiuw&s=19 There's also reports, though I haven't yet seen a reliable source, that Marvel is bringing back Coulter as Luke Cage for the film.
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Cythereal posted:https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1534997261268099072?t=dUHkjUYsEPQyOHKFMPuiuw&s=19 I read that initially as "Jason Schreier," the video game journalist, and was both confused and intrigued. Though looking Jake Schrier up, he directed both the really excellent Robot & Frank (can't recommend that movie enough) and a few episodes of Brand New Cherry Flavor, so definitely a fan of his. Though I'm sure none of that will come through in a Marvel movie.
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How is this a "Top Secret" what's bottom secret?
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Upsidads posted:How is this a "Top Secret" what's bottom secret? Ant-Man’s contingency for Thanos.
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Upsidads posted:How is this a "Top Secret" what's bottom secret? When they introduce Iceman in the X-Men.
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Upsidads posted:How is this a "Top Secret" what's bottom secret? LOL I was wondering the same thing. ooooo...a TOP SECRET MARVEL MOVIE you say? What's that? Oh. Thunderbolts? Well poo poo.
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The_Doctor posted:When they introduce Iceman in the X-Men. 
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well why not posted:Thunderbolts is Suicide Squad (marvel remix) right? I think the original premise was pretty different than Suicide Squad.
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The_Doctor posted:When they introduce Iceman in the X-Men. 
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It's gonna be absolute garbage. Their only chance of being all right is if they let Wyatt grow a The Thing beard, but they won't.
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If you wanted someone to be a Good companion for your young child, surely you could do Better Than Ezra.
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AlternateAccount posted:If you wanted someone to be a Good companion for your young child, surely you could do Better Than Ezra. not okay
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Chairman Capone posted:I read that initially as "Jason Schreier," the video game journalist, and was both confused and intrigued.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/06/court-unable-to-locate-ezra-miller-cannot-serve-papers Ezra remains at large
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well why not posted:https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/06/court-unable-to-locate-ezra-miller-cannot-serve-papers They move so fast, they're invisible and unserveable.
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Meanwhile, Michael Keaton is reading the news thinking, “They put me back in that goddamn rubber suit for nothing.”
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Splint Chesthair posted:Meanwhile, Michael Keaton is reading the news thinking, “They put my stuntman back in that goddamn rubber suit for nothing.”
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