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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I think it was last summer?

https://twitter.com/JanisIrwin/status/1416178361173413889

Or, as reported by the feckless loving arseholes at the Western Standard: (Not linked because gently caress giving them more hits)

quote:

Edmonton NDP MLA Janis Irwin mocked Jesus and the Bible, used bully tactics, interfered with a citizen’s right to free speech, and encouraged vigilantism against a street preacher.

And she sported a huge grin during a stunning display of reprehensibly rabid intolerance on Friday.

In a climate where Christians are perceived as fair targets and churches are being burned and vandalized, a politician promoting this appalling behaviour shows pathetically poor judgment at best.

This is Alberta’s Official Opposition Deputy Whip, critic for women’s and LGBTQ2S+ issues, someone who peddles herself as committed to social justice (apparently only for whom she agrees with).


Irwin proudly tweeted and posted a photo on Facebook of herself intimidating a street preacher. She included childish emojis and an invite for others to join in the harassment “every Friday” at Pride Corner, located on Whyte Avenue and Calgary Trail, not even in the Edmonton-Highlands-Norwood riding she represents.

She posted these comments:

“On my way back home and I couldn’t possibly drive past Pride Corner without stopping.”

“Stayed just long enough to hear about my sins and dance a little too.”

“Stop by! They’re there every Friday night til late, drowning out the hate.”

Stop by to do what exactly? Sounds like an invitation to harass, or possibly worse, a street preacher.

Mission accomplished. Several fuming people promised to head on down to do just that.

The photo shows a male holding a sign saying: ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be Saved.’

A female, attempting to block him, holds signs saying: ‘Respect my existence or expect my resistance’ and ‘Keeping YEG hate free.’

Fine. Two people expressing their views.

The problem is the other person in the photo, that being Irwin, holding signs saying: ’This is homophobia disguised as Bible quotes’ and ‘Hate speech is not welcome here.’

A politician inserting herself into this is a pure intimidation tactic against someone she disagrees with.

It takes imagination to conclude the male’s sign spews hate.

One person who commented on Facebook was hardly impressed.

“The Christian has every right to be there – freedom of speech – preaching what he genuinely believes. You are the ones invading his space to make a scene and to provoke a reaction.”

Amen, brother!

Another person wrote: “I am confused, the scripture on the sign has no reference to homosexuality. How is that hate speech?”

Irwin retorted that the preacher says “hateful and harmful” words but neglected to elaborate.

“His preacher friend across the street confirmed to me that I am, in fact ,going to hell,” she claimed, not elaborating on how that alleged encounter transpired.

“I can laugh, but it’s not about me. It’s about that young kid struggling with their sexuality,” she added.

Oh, save it. That young kid deserves a role model who doesn’t condone double standards.

Irwin’s openly gay.

Yeah, about that…don’t care. The concern here is character and actions, not where one’s affections lie.

When a politician promotes tolerance for me, but not for thee, there’s a serious problem.

Irwin’s Facebook page is saturated with selfies, promoting LGBTQ2S+ issues, and condemnation of Kerry Diotte, Member of Parliament for Edmonton Griesbach, who defeated her in the 2015 federal election.

A red flag about her credibility with facts swirls around false accusations that Diotte promotes conversion therapy.

He has stated that “conversion therapy is a harmful practice and should be banned.”

But he voted against a final “flawed” Liberal Bill C-6 failing to address what would be considered conversion therapy on the grounds that it could “jeopardize or even criminalize some conversations with religious leaders and others when counselling someone.”

The point is Irwin has dishonestly, relentlessly portrayed Diotte as an intolerant hater.

Having known Diotte for many years, it can be stated with absolute surety that he is decidedly not intolerant of gays or anyone, regardless of skin colour or religion.

A new attack appeared Friday on Irwin’s Facebook page spewing the same lies.

When contacted to get his take on whether Irwin crossed a political line, Diotte wondered what her performance has to do with provincial politics.

“People have a right to free speech no matter who they choose to worship. If somebody is fomenting hatred, we have laws against that. The correct thing to do is call the police and make a complaint. If a person is saying something hateful, it is your duty to report, not to incite,” said Diotte.

“What on earth is wrong with spreading the word of God? What kind of world do we live in when people are mocked for that? It’s seriously a sick world when that happens,” he said.

“There are many homeless people in the market with various addictions and maybe the preacher will reach even just one of them and turn their lives around,” said Diotte.

Irwin is obliged to fairly represent Christians in her constituency. With her intolerant bias, can she?

Christians leaders must step out from behind the safety of their pulpits and tell this MLA to respectfully stop mocking Jesus and those who, in Irwin’s view, have the audacity to worship Him.

Absolute rubbish. I don't think we should necessarily mock Jesus because he seemed like a pretty cool dude who would be on board with socialism and after 2022 years might have moderated his stance on homosexuality, but we should certainly mock the people who support him in this particular fashion. Also this prick needs to learn the difference between a sentence and a loving paragraph.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Sep 10, 2022

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apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

Now the story is that there was a miscommunication that caused the call to be put to non triage status, once the cops showed and said this poo poo is an emergency they showed in 9 minutes.

So the health minister is relieved that the system is working smoothly... he put that before the condolences to the family.

https://twitter.com/MichaelRdrguez/status/1534310864219738112?s=20&t=J5302ly9k9E5GgxM7DBRxw

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The key further learning from this incident is that Jason Copping should be buggered with a cactus.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

PT6A posted:

The key further learning from this incident is that Jason Copping should be buggered with a cactus.

We're just adding to the width at this point

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Sep 10, 2022

Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.


A bit of back story about this: On Whyte Ave in Edmonton a group of street preachers were taking up residence on a regular basis with signs, tracts, aggressive preaching and such. Some local LGBTQ2+ folks including friends of mine decided that would not do and counter protested with words of acceptance and love instead. It's gotten pretty popular with the younger Queer crowd to spend some time there waving a sign. City council declared the south east corner of Whyte and 104th street Pride Corner a while ago as it was the most frequently used spot for the counter protestors.

And Janis is all sorts of awesome too.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009

apatheticman posted:

Now the story is that there was a miscommunication that caused the call to be put to non triage status, once the cops showed and said this poo poo is an emergency they showed in 9 minutes.

So the health minister is relieved that the system is working smoothly... he put that before the condolences to the family.

https://twitter.com/MichaelRdrguez/status/1534310864219738112?s=20&t=J5302ly9k9E5GgxM7DBRxw

https://twitter.com/SteveBuick2/status/1534300383098507264?t=VgaomY5-dxiryO1C5Uod_g&s=19

What is wrong with these loving freaks. Why can't they hide their sneering contempt for EVERYONE even at the times it would make the most sense to conceal it

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I mean yeah, looking at the Western Standard you might as well be posting from One America News. It's a (former) Ezra Levant joint as his test run for Rebel News.

I have to laugh every time I see some reference to free speech when they're wrong about it on every level. Canada does not have absolute freedom of speech, it's a well-defined "freedom of expression" with reasonable limits.
And, as non-idiots know, freedom of expression is in relation to government policy or law trying to restrict your expression. Somebody yelling or holding opposing signs near you obviously has nothing to do with that.

These are the same kind of people who were referencing american constitutional amendments in their court appearances for the clown convoy.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Why is everyone acting like I said "here is the western standard, a group of very sane people with well thought-out opinions"? I specifically said DON'T GO THERE and did not link it.

It's obviously bullshit, both in this specific case and in general, but the important thing is this is how right-wing lunatics are framing things. I put MLA Irwin's tweet first, showing that there was no actual harassment, and then posted the quote from the WS as proof that those smooth-brained biblethumping assholes were calling it such.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Sep 10, 2022

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Oh I see. No she didn't actually get in any real trouble, she was the subject of unhinged rants by stupid bastards, just like pretty much every time an NDPer "gets in trouble."

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Love the Cons laughing at people struggling to feed themselves.

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1534605798759837698

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

PT6A posted:

That made me look up "who the gently caress is that?" and then made me say "oh makes sense."

Compare to ANDP MLA Janis Irwin, who got in trouble last year for openly taunting (or to use her accusers' word "harassing") the anti-gay demonstrators in Edmonton with a group of other LGBTQ folks. That's the sort of gay-as-gently caress energy we need in government. Government only by the queerest of queer people!

Janis Irwin will go down in history as one of, if not the single, best MLA this province has ever had.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



I was just thinking the other day, even before the recall of a progressive San Francisco DA that got Americans foaming and frothing about returning to broken windows policing, carding and stop and frisk, that it would be nice if Canada could avoid importing that particular reactionary fashion from down south. Oh, and also the supreme court ruling that US border guards can beat your rear end with impunity. Thankfully, mainstream Canadian media is here to remind us that all cops are still bad:

The Toronto Star has a three-part series on cops violating Charter rights with equivalent impunity, and also being bad at their jobs in the process:

quote:

In Brantford, a small army of officers and a K-9 unit illegally detained and searched a suspect for drugs.(click to read the court transcript) The reason the officers gave for the pursuit and takedown? The cyclist was riding on the sidewalk without a light. The judge called the ruse “serious police misconduct” and tossed the drug evidence.

Toronto officers stood in a hospital operating room, without a warrant, while a doctor removed heroin from the rectum of an unconscious stabbing victim so they could seize it. Again, the judge threw out the drug evidence.

In Calgary, police trailed a 24-year-old suspect to a convenience store in 2019. Latef Tag El Din, who had a criminal record, was violating a house arrest order and had a loaded handgun hidden in his vest. As he made a break for the exit, an officer unleashed a police dog and tackled him to the floor. For hours after his arrest, officers ignored and mocked his repeated requests for medical treatment and one sang a song ridiculing his pleas for help. As blood seeped through the bandages covering the bite wounds on Tag El Din’s arm, officers taunted him with “laughter, sarcasm, song and judgment,” the judge said.

This “shocking” display, which was caught on audio and video, led the judge to stay charges that even the accused himself acknowledges would have otherwise likely resulted in his conviction.

“If they (the officers) would have followed the rules, I would probably still be in jail right now,” Tag El Din told Torstar.

That's just 3 out of 600 cases they investigated.

And just today as well, the CBC reports that hundreds of CBSA agents have been investigated for varying degrees of misconduct over the last few years:

quote:

Canadian border officers have been reprimanded for hundreds of acts of misconduct over the past two years — including preferential treatment and criminal association — according to documents obtained by CBC News.

Details of the cases — all of which were deemed founded — were released under access to information law and cover the period Jan. 1, 2020 to Jan. 1, 2022.

The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said that, during the last fiscal year, it concluded 92 founded investigations. Of those, 12 saw border officers verbally reprimanded, 42 led to written reprimands and 38 ended in suspensions.

That figure is substantially lower than the number for 2020 — the first year to see a reduction in travel due to the pandemic. In 2020, the CBSA reported 215 founded cases resulting in nine dismissals, 82 suspensions, 52 written reprimands and 27 verbal reprimands. (The figures don't say what happened in the remaining cases.)

A CBSA spokesperson said the agency considers a complaint "founded" if "aspects" of it are found to be "valid."

While details of these cases — including names and locations — are redacted in the documents released to CBC News, they describe some troubling behaviour at land and air crossings.

In one case, an officer was found to have failed to properly process travellers and vehicle plates — a key component of the job — for three years.

In another, an officer accessed the CBSA's computer system to remove flags from someone's file. Flags are indicators related to an individual's criminal or travel history that are meant to warn CBSA officers that a particular traveller warrants a closer look.

One founded investigation report said only that the officer in question posed "a security risk" and could "harm the agency's reputation."

Ties to Hells Angels

The documents also describe multiple founded cases of criminal association — including one involving an officer who "provided [a] false name when stopped by police while having dinner with [a] cocaine smuggler" and another involving an officer with ties to the Hells Angels.

A handful of cases involved officers engaging in sexual harassment — sexually assaulting a colleague while off duty in one case, spraying insect repellant on a colleague's crotch and sending sexually explicit messages or photographs in others.

Other investigated cases involved interpersonal grievances, such as employees spreading rumours about each other.

You can read more about these few (hundred) isolated cases of bad apples. Then there's the evitable reaction from the border cop union boss:

quote:

But Mark Weber, president of the Customs and Immigration Union, said he believes the CBSA goes too far in its approach to discipline.

"The serious things are absolutely investigated, and many things that shouldn't go to a formal investigation are also investigated," he said. "Discipline is not supposed to be punitive. It's supposed to be corrective."

While Weber acknowledged some of the founded cases are serious, he called the agency's approach to discipline "extreme."

"Everything is very cold, clinical," he said.

"Over the years, what we have noticed is that the agency has become very formal. Things that used to be dealt with between a manager and an employee with a conversation …'You could have done this differently and it would have gone better' … everything at the CBSA has been centralized and become an official email, an official fact-finding that often happens weeks or months after the event."

Ah, yes. Back in the day, you'd just get a slap on the buttocks from your supervisor for sexually harassing a coworker or civilian, but now there are emails about it weeks later! Is that really the best you can do to drum up sympathy?

The rest of the article is about how the CBSA somehow has virtually no independent oversight, and that the Liberals might at some point do something about it. I'll believe it when I see it.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

eXXon posted:

Ah, yes. Back in the day, you'd just get a slap on the buttocks from your supervisor for sexually harassing a coworker or civilian, but now there are emails about it weeks later! Is that really the best you can do to drum up sympathy?

There is an inverse relationship between the skills to get elected to leadership in a public union, and ability to deal with the public.

My favorite being the time a passenger spent five minutes documenting a TTC ticket collector asleep in the booth at a subway stop. It made a splash online, to the point that the union felt it had to respond. To whit, the union president went to the media about how, actually, every member of the public who noticed a public servant sleeping on the job was a disturbingly awful person https://toronto.citynews.ca/2010/01/22/ttc-worker-photographed-sleeping-on-the-job/

eXXon posted:

I was just thinking the other day, even before the recall of a progressive San Francisco DA that got Americans foaming and frothing about returning to broken windows policing, carding and stop and frisk, that it would be nice if Canada could avoid importing that particular reactionary fashion from down south. Oh, and also the supreme court ruling that US border guards can beat your rear end with impunity. Thankfully, mainstream Canadian media is here to remind us that all cops are still bad:

The Toronto Star has a three-part series on cops violating Charter rights with equivalent impunity, and also being bad at their jobs in the process:

That's just 3 out of 600 cases they investigated.

Topical story out of Newfoundland: two RCMP officers committed a break and enter for the purpose of interrogating an 11 year old child at 5:30 a.m., without her parents present (they were asleep). The RCMP official response when informed of an apparently criminal act by its officers: We entered the home and left after we spoke to the owner. So what? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cortney-pike-rcmp-daughters-bedroom-1.6480341

There's a follow up article with commentary from multiple criminal lawyers. Summary of the commentary: They seriously did that? That's not just dangerous and unconstitutional, it's criminal. And the RCMP has an obligation to explain what on earth they were thinking. Which led to the predicable RCMP response: We have nothing further to add https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rcmp-enter-home-legal-reaction-1.6482144

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Huh I thought the Newfies had their own cops

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

My black friends allege that racism from Ottawa police is way worse than US cops. Like obviously less likely to be shot but way more likely to be illegally searched, followed, frisked, harassed etc.

run on sentience
Mar 22, 2022
The intruder cops claim to have been ringing their doorbell, but the mother commented that they do not have a doorbell. The girl they were apparently looking for had been found hours earlier. Just lying incompetent criminal sacks of poo poo through and through.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

That was proven in a report commissioned by the city, and was a main factor behind the hiring of a Black police chief. That chief proceeded to mishandle the message literally on his way in the door, pissing off the entire organization and damning his attempts at reform before he'd even listed his priorities -- but even if he hadn't, there are some who believe he wouldn't have been able to fix the anti-Black racism endemic in the police department for some other, mysterious reason

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jun 9, 2022

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

evilpicard posted:

My black friends allege that racism from Ottawa police is way worse than US cops. Like obviously less likely to be shot but way more likely to be illegally searched, followed, frisked, harassed etc.

The first time I spent a summer in Ottawa, I found the way Ottawa cops treat people in general shocking. This was in comparison to Toronto and Calgary. I saw one encounter between police and an aboriginal youth which involved the cop hopping out of his vehicle, screaming at an aboriginal youth standing near a shattered bus stop window pane. The cop displayed utter contempt for the kid. I mean, behaviour that might be seen as an attempt to intimidate someone into compliance, except there was no reason for that. The kid had been just standing there. Seemed like the officer was trying to get the kid to react badly. Kid didn't take the bait.

Which is to say it was no longer shocking when white Ottawa police officers were caught passing around posters mocking minorities hired by the department. To be clear, all those identified on the poster had been involved in troubling professionalism incidents. On the other, such behavior is not isolated to minorities. See for example the show of force put on by police at the trial of Officer Daniel Montsion. Montsion beat a mentally ill brown man to death with non-department issued "tactical gloves". He was acquitted.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 26 days!
Surprising absolutely no one, Alberta's had more COVID-19 deaths (at this point) this year than it had during Delta last year.



Part of the red herring may be that they have the lowest booster uptake (38%) of the country except maybe Nunavut. I'm honestly shocked that only 55% of eligible Canadians have gotten a booster, and only 56% of the 5-11 age group has even had a first dose. We're never getting out of this loving pandemic.

Looking forward to Best Summer Ever 2022.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

We're never getting out of this loving pandemic.

Sure we will - monkeypox is comin' up and I don't think we're allowed to have two at once.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Vintersorg posted:

Love the Cons laughing at people struggling to feed themselves.

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1534605798759837698


Not shocked at all from the people that brought you this golden moment.

https://twitter.com/roulinski/status/1508038032141828096

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Bleck posted:

Sure we will - monkeypox is comin' up and I don't think we're allowed to have two at once.

Is itnloke pokemon where you can only have one status effect at once, and we're already poisoned?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Maneck posted:

See for example the show of force put on by police at the trial of Officer Daniel Montsion. Montsion beat a mentally ill brown man to death with non-department issued "tactical gloves". He was acquitted.

Gonna fact-check you here, but not because I disagree with the thrust of your argument; it just bugs me to see a good attack on bad poo poo put together crooked.

The cops did have a show of force for Montsion at his trial, both by showing up in person, and by selling & wearing those obnoxiously wasteful coloured wristbands to raise money for a cause that didn't need financial help (his legal fees were already paid for by the not-a-union-union); that money went to a vaguely-defined "benevolent fund" that probably paid for the rager they threw for the guy after he was acquitted. The president of that not-a-union-union, whose name rhymes with "Jack off" and is already generally disliked by the public, gave some bullshit defenses about both of these activities, disingenuously claiming that they weren't about racism or taking sides, when of course they were totally about both of those things. Some cops said (off the record) that these displays weren't right and they wanted no part of them; that number only went when the OPS told them to knock that poo poo off. That whole scene was icky and would've damaged our trust in the agency, if we'd had any left.

Montsion did not "beat a mentally ill brown man to death", he "beat a mentally ill brown man in the face while he was already dying from a heart attack brought on by overexerting himself with coronary arteries that were basically crusted shut after a flight, and an entirely one-sided fight, that should never have happened:

Kelly R. posted:

In his Post-mortem Report, Dr. Milroy opined that the medical cause of the cardiac arrest that led to Mr. Abdi’s death was the underlying coronary artery atheroma, while the mechanisms that brought about the cardiac arrest were the struggles and physical exertion along with the physiological effects of the facial injuries. He continued: “But for the physical exertion, struggle and facial injuries Mr. Abdi would not have sustained the cardiac arrest when he did.

In other words, can I say but for the blows to the face he would not have died, the answer is, no, I cannot say that. There is sufficient physiological stress in all the events up to that point to account for his death. You do not have to add in the facial to say that death must – it would have required the facial injuries for him to have died

[628] When I step back and consider the evidence as whole, I am left with a reasonable doubt about whether Constable Montsion’s acts were a significant contributing cause of the cardiac arrest that led to Mr. Abdi’s death. I accept that they may have been, but I am unable to reach this conclusion on the criminal standard.

[629] I am also not satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that Constable Montsion’s acts were a significant contributing cause on the theory that they accelerated Mr. Abdi’s death. When addressing a hypothetical about acceleration in reexamination, Dr. Milroy was equivocal[200]: II suppose that’s possible. Yes. Although, I mean, I think that the point is that, yeah, the more physical and emotional and all the stresses, then it’s likely it would have been, it’s probably likely it [the cardiac arrest] would have been earlier. Although this is somewhat speculative[201].

[630] In his audio interview, Dr. Milroy said:[202] If you’ve reached a point where you’re going to have a cardiac arrest, additional blows aren’t gonna make any difference. Is it possible that you haven’t quite reached it and the blows just add a bit more? Yes, it is. That’s why I’ve put them in the cause of death.

[631] In my view, these passages, seen in the light of the evidence as a whole, cannot sustain a finding of causation beyond a reasonable doubt based on a theory of acceleration of death.

The truly horrible part, which went unsaid in this trial, was that Abdirahman Abdi never did one thing that could've hurt those cops. All of his exertion was spent on getting away, and he wouldn't have done that if someone who could control him had been summoned. They knew who he was, and could've come up with a pretty good idea of where he was going. He didn't have to die, he didn't deserve to die, and opportunities to resolve this without him dying existed. Opportunities to solve this without two guys tackling him and punching him all over his body, and then in the face, had existed. This isn't me monday morning quarterbacking Weir & Montsion, this is me criticizing the institution as a whole and the way it responds to mentally ill people who've sexually assaulted people in coffee shops in broad daylight, because they are sick and need help they aren't getting.

The gloves had been issued to him as part of his duties for a guns and gangs interdiction unit, but under circumstances that could generously be described as "rather fucky": They had been purchased directly by a constable in that unit, countersigned by a superintendent (a very senior rank) instead of through the QM, which is normally where you draw all your equipment from. This case prompted a "review" of all such equipment, which would get you on a bus if you taped four loonies to it. Montsion had every reason to think he'd be punching someone with them, because of the plurality of cops (including the other one at that scene) who are either working hurt, or off, from injuries sustained by punching people without gloves. The Crown chose not to pursue this, probably because he didn't think he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he ought to have known that he ought not to have been wearing them, or hitting someone with them, even though common dog is making it hard to type this sentence while also triple-facepalming it.

The whole thing fuckin stank, but the reasons for the acquittal seem pretty coherent to me. The rot and the blame lie with the OPS and, to a lesser extent, the provincial government's funding of mental health care and community supports. They've lost the city's trust, we don't believe what they say, and we absolutely don't believe they've done much of anything to fix the documented problem with institutional racism that we all know they still have.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jun 10, 2022

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

terrorist ambulance posted:

https://twitter.com/SteveBuick2/status/1534300383098507264?t=VgaomY5-dxiryO1C5Uod_g&s=19

What is wrong with these loving freaks. Why can't they hide their sneering contempt for EVERYONE even at the times it would make the most sense to conceal it

They're constantly rewarded for not hiding it?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

There was no error?

They just didn't show up on purpose?

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
from everything i've read, it may honestly have just been a disastrous miscommunication between the caller and the dispatcher. put aside whether that's because ambulance services have been redlined for like 2 years, MAYBE a dispatcher just misunderstood how bad the person had been injured by being attacked by dogs and triaged it incorrectly.

assuming that's true - and i'm not saying it is - how do you loving fix your fingers to type out a bitchy little post ending in "over to you" about a woman being savaged by dogs and dying for a half hour within walking distance of a loving hospital

gently caress

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Maneck posted:

My favorite being the time a passenger spent five minutes documenting a TTC ticket collector asleep in the booth at a subway stop. It made a splash online, to the point that the union felt it had to respond. To whit, the union president went to the media about how, actually, every member of the public who noticed a public servant sleeping on the job was a disturbingly awful person https://toronto.citynews.ca/2010/01/22/ttc-worker-photographed-sleeping-on-the-job/
Maybe not the best example of unions circling the wagons to defend bad behaviour. That guy was sleeping because he was not in good health. He died later that year.

Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.





Sadly this is probably the only way we'll ever see the known criminal Doug Ford in an inmate's uniform.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

flakeloaf posted:

Montsion did not "beat a mentally ill brown man to death", he "beat a mentally ill brown man in the face while he was already dying from a heart attack brought on by overexerting himself with coronary arteries that were basically crusted shut after a flight, and an entirely one-sided fight, that should never have happened:

Friend, I can see how you got there but that correction is not right. Abdi went into cardiac arrest after Montsion punched him in the face. The trial was about the fact that even after the facial beating, Abdi struggled for a while, raising a question as to whether the blows contributed to cardiac arrest, or whether it was just something that happened independent of the (needless) face punching.

You cite to the decision following a criminal trial. The objective of a criminal trial is not to establish whether the accused probably did it, but rather whether the evidence is so strong that it is beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it. Part and parcel of that, an acquittal at a criminal trial does not absolve the accused. It is not unusual for an accused to be acquitted in a criminal proceeding, and then ordered to pay damages in a civil proceeding concerning the same conduct because they actually probably did it.

In this case, it is absolutely fair to point out that Abdi had poor cardiac health and tried to run away, placing intense stress on his body. It is also correct to say that without those conditions, the beating administered would probably not have killed Abdi. The pathologist who conducted the autoopsy, Dr. Milroy, acknowledged all of that that. Nevertheless, the autopsy's conclusion, based on the post mortem examination, was that it was Montsion punching Abdi in the face, together with the other factors, caused Abdi's death. A package deal. This makes sense, in that without such a conclusion there never would have been a criminal trial. And this is what makes it okay to say that Montsion kiled Abdi - it's probably the case, based on the medical evidence.

The trial judge did not accept that on the criminal standard, it had been established that Montsion's actions killed Abdi or accelerated his death. Dr. Milroy was fair in his evidence, agreeing that he was unable to conclude that Abdi would not have died anyway from the other stresses (good defence lawyering there, someone giving scientifically accurate evidence will never guarantee that someone wouldn't have died for other reasons). Mind though, that is not a match with the correction's assertion that "he was already dying". The furtherest it can be taken is that he might have just died anyway, which was enough for the judge to acquit.

Maneck fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jun 10, 2022

Glimpse
Jun 5, 2011


Mad Hamish posted:



Sadly this is probably the only way we'll ever see the known criminal Doug Ford in an inmate's uniform.



#3 is telling

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
Why are the morphing apps just returning archival photos of Doug Ford?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Well this is horrific.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



PT6A posted:

Well this is horrific.



I know! It clearly doesn't know what sad is. Or what a Clown is, it's just more archival photos of politicians.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
“The Resurrection of Rob Ford”

sitchensis
Mar 4, 2009

City of Vancouver council continues to agonize over the Broadway plan which will guide development of a “second downtown” along an urban corridor that will soon have subway like SkyTrain service. This plan has been in development since 2017. It currently has 42 amendments. They will hold another vote to approve it in two weeks — it was supposed to be last night, but unsurprisingly it went into overtime.

One GREAT thing though is that council approved an amendment to add AAA bike lanes to Broadway, effectively making it a major cycling route. While it remains to be seen how this will be done, it is likely to result in some lane space taken away from cars. This is incredibly forward looking and honestly I’m shocked it went through. Broadway is already a giant traffic sewer, so I’m impressed that council had the guts to forcefully overrule city staff recommendations and add in the bike infrastructure.

Now to get the whole damned thing approved in two weeks!

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

Glimpse posted:



#3 is telling

lmao

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



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Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

sitchensis posted:

City of Vancouver council continues to agonize over the Broadway plan which will guide development of a “second downtown” along an urban corridor that will soon have subway like SkyTrain service. This plan has been in development since 2017. It currently has 42 amendments. They will hold another vote to approve it in two weeks — it was supposed to be last night, but unsurprisingly it went into overtime.

One GREAT thing though is that council approved an amendment to add AAA bike lanes to Broadway, effectively making it a major cycling route. While it remains to be seen how this will be done, it is likely to result in some lane space taken away from cars. This is incredibly forward looking and honestly I’m shocked it went through. Broadway is already a giant traffic sewer, so I’m impressed that council had the guts to forcefully overrule city staff recommendations and add in the bike infrastructure.

Now to get the whole damned thing approved in two weeks!

Given the existence of the off-broadway route and 10th route I'm surprised they would do this. I applaud it of course, I'm just amazed.

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