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Blue Footed Booby posted:I think treating the panic as projection by religious conservatives or some kind of orchestrated distraction paints child abuse as specifically a religious or right wing problem rather than the inevitable result of any deeply hierarchical organization putting adults in positions where they have power over children without oversight that actually gives a poo poo. It doesn't mean those are the only groups with child safeguarding issues, but I can't imagine a centrist group going straight to gay satan, it'd be a few bad apples/communication breakdown/we were not aware type excuses.
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Craptacular! posted:I'm generally pro queer capitalism. I'd rather see it than NOT see it, anyway (I'm also more neoliberal than most of D&D, so this revelation is probably not news). You don't have to change your cell phone provider to the one that rainbows up their logo in June, but it's nice just to feel included. It also sends a message to middle-management that intolerance won't be supported. This might be something only olds remember but Denny's had to pay $54m in 1994's money to settle many many claims that black customers around the country were unwelcome; one of the bigger events being some of Clinton's Secret Service detail going to one and the whites being served right away. That kind of thing could be avoided if corporate told managers and directors that the company doesn't tolerate this poo poo. I mean Peter Thiel is basically the modern day Elizabeth Bathory except she probably didn't actually do any of that stuff whereas Thiel definitely doses himself in young men's blood so there's some definite uh, twisted supervillain vibes that I don't think gay capitalism comes off looking great off of
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 04:46 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:I mean Peter Thiel is basically the modern day Elizabeth Bathory except she probably didn't actually do any of that stuff whereas Thiel definitely doses himself in young men's blood so there's some definite uh, twisted supervillain vibes that I don't think gay capitalism comes off looking great off of Peter Thiel being a lovely person isn't "gay capitalism." Peter Thiel is a lovely person who happens to be gay and also a piece of poo poo because of capitalism.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 05:15 |
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Ah gotcha. Like burger king's weird pride burger thing
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 06:34 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:Ah gotcha. Like burger king's weird pride burger thing Yeah you got it. It's any kind of corporate nonsense, generally involving splashing rainbows around, that's designed to LGBTQ people and our allies feel like the companies are "on our side".
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 06:41 |
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I feel like this was already mentioned earlier but the classic example is Disney splashing a bunch of "everyone is welcome love is love" poo poo in june while explicitly shutting down queer poo poo in movies/tv behind the scenes and donating to politicians trying to force us out of public life. All the superficial pride poo poo smooths over the awful poo poo for queers and allies who aren't paying attention.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 14:18 |
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some plague rats posted:Yeah you got it. It's any kind of corporate nonsense, generally involving splashing rainbows around, that's designed to LGBTQ people and our allies feel like the companies are "on our side". while also intentionally riling up the "other side" in a Strategy of Tension
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oh god oh gently caress posted:I feel like this was already mentioned earlier but the classic example is Disney splashing a bunch of "everyone is welcome love is love" poo poo in june while explicitly shutting down queer poo poo in movies/tv behind the scenes and donating to politicians trying to force us out of public life. All the superficial pride poo poo smooths over the awful poo poo for queers and allies who aren't paying attention. To be fair Luca made me bawl my eyes out even if it wasn't 100% queer oriented
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 17:06 |
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Here is Levi's definitely understanding the essence of gender.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 20:04 |
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Eh, they’re imperfect names for cuts.
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doingitwrong posted:Here is Levi's definitely understanding the essence of gender. Looking forward to Levi's releasing a non-binary line where they just send you a square of cotton and let you figure it out
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This Pride month, Once-ler Industries is proud to stand with the LGBTQ+ community! To celebrate, we're offering a special rainbow Thneed. And the best part is, we're donating 1% of the profits from this fabulous Thneed to the Trevor Project!
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Quorum posted:This Pride month, Once-ler Industries is proud to stand with the LGBTQ+ community! To celebrate, we're offering a special rainbow Thneed. And the best part is, we're donating 1% of the profits from this fabulous Thneed to the Trevor Project! aaaagh This is too real, it's causing me immense psychic damage
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doingitwrong posted:Here is Levi's definitely understanding the essence of gender. Wow can't say to buy my my non-race specific possibly genderless shirt from company
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Aesop Poprock posted:Wow can't say to buy my my non-race specific possibly genderless shirt from company huh?
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 08:53 |
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Most likely should say "can't wait"
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 11:05 |
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Yeah that was what I meant
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 13:49 |
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https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbbquote:
Of course the AP couldn't help but include some transphobic concern trolling, but at least WPATH is moving in the right direction and recommending care for trans kids begin earlier, in spite of the wave of anti-trans hysteria and violence engulfing much of the Western world. Not that I particularly love WPATH, because it's mostly gatekeeping bullshit that means Husky won't cover my badly-needed laser treatment for my face until I've been taking hormones for a year (June 29th, so almost done waiting), among other things, but at least they're moving in the right direction.
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# ? Jun 15, 2022 16:15 |
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It is worth clarifying--because the media often does not--that there are two surgeries for "breast removal." Anyone who has developed breasts through puberty does require a mastectomy and removal of the breasts in order to get top surgery if they seek it out. However if breast development is stunted through puberty blockers, a keyhole surgery can be used that is closer to a liposuction and much less invasive. EDIT: Corrected below Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:It is worth clarifying--because the media often does not--that there are two surgeries for "breast removal." Anyone who has developed breasts through puberty does require a mastectomy and removal of the breasts in order to get top surgery if they seek it out. However if breast development is stunted through puberty blockers, a keyhole surgery can be used that is closer to a liposuction and much less invasive. Keyhole can be done on adults who didn't get blockers too, it depends on the patient and how much tissue there is. My friend was just outside of being a good candidate for it, you can have quite a bit more tissue than you're probably thinking you can.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 03:52 |
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Thread's kinda quiet for a few days, why not have a taste of face eating leopard action? https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1538217194659667968
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# ? Jun 18, 2022 20:41 |
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Clinton is coming out on the anti trans bandwagon because of course she is lmao https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1538154967365738496?t=2PBaCNzJhdLZp74PYCDuvg&s=19
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# ? Jun 19, 2022 06:16 |
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A big flaming stink posted:Clinton is coming out on the anti trans bandwagon because of course she is lmao I mean is anyone the slightest bit surprised by this? The venn diagram of "people who idolise Hillary Clinton" and "second wave TERFs" is a circle, she's always been a hateful monster from the second she entered politics
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# ? Jun 19, 2022 06:34 |
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some plague rats posted:I mean is anyone the slightest bit surprised by this? The venn diagram of "people who idolise Hillary Clinton" and "second wave TERFs" is a circle, she's always been a hateful monster from the second she entered politics In her book she talks about effectively owning slaves* via the prison system so is anyone surprised by this? Hillary's always acted like a borderline sociopath when it came to actually walking the walk while talking the talk when it came to having Democratic constituent's values. It's probably why she tries so hard to make the party more like the Republicans instead of representing decent people who don't think that discrimination is okay. Just look back at the insane (and racist too) "super predators" thing or any of the other heinous things that get memory holed whenever she makes another grab at power. Or just look at the third way movement in general, which she had might as well be a major beneficiary of. TL;DR: Hillary has always been a ghoulish husk of a human being who should have never been allowed within ten miles of power. Her sole skill being that she was better at hiding it than the braying ghoulish husk of a human being that is Donald Trump and his staff. If it hadn't of been Trump that ran she probably would have lost even harder than she did. Heck, her entire career has effectively been to sabotage the democratic party in the eyes of it's constituents by trying to move them rightward so she and other sellouts that tossed out any principles or morals they had for the sake of their career would seem more appealing. And yet somehow, despite still being far more appealing than the idea of Donald Trump being president to anyone who wasn't an idiot or a raging bigot, she still managed to lose an election against an even worse human being than she is. *African Americans who were imprisoned for crimes and then made to work at the Arkansas governor's mansion since it was a "long standing tradition". And no, she doesn't explore where that tradition came from in her book. https://twitter.com/samswey/status/872151657626443776 Edit: She's also said some shifty poo poo about trans people back in 2019 too. So yeah. Archonex fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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A big flaming stink posted:Clinton is coming out on the anti trans bandwagon because of course she is lmao *Considering how generally LGTBQIA+ friendly, Obama's admin was, I also don't feel like I have to hand it to Clinton on that one. Anyway, it's Queer People Being Mad at Liberals Week here in the LGTBQIA+ Thread. The New York Times Magazine posted an article yesterday that talked about the inner-conflicts on the question of children and teens transitioning. It''s something. I do actually appreciate the first half of the article which gives a pretty objective narrative of some of the development over trans care over the years. And then it just kinda uncritically plops discussion of Abigail Shrier whose book us trans folks "abhor" and is not just an incredibly poorly researched and unscientific text. From there the article has a tendency to uncritically platform transphobic groups as well as continue to take part in the annoying and frustrating shifting of goal posts that happen in these conversations. Trans advocates get to come with all their research and facts and gender critical people get to come with their feelings, concerns, and theories, and both are given an equal playing field. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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Don't forget that they bring the TERFs' strongest weapons: studies they never read which were reposted with a headline that suits them, and a complete lack of knowledge regarding what exactly the medical treatment they're objecting to others having access to consists of.
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staticman posted:Thread's kinda quiet for a few days, why not have a taste of face eating leopard action? Good. Get hosed
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# ? Jun 20, 2022 06:40 |
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A big flaming stink posted:Clinton is coming out on the anti trans bandwagon because of course she is lmao Hahahaha what a loving douche.
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# ? Jun 20, 2022 06:41 |
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The author in that Clinton quote starts off by positing their own opinion to the reader, and then verbatim quotes some aggreeable noises from Clinton. Whatever she was agreeing to is not printed verbatim. Like did the author tell Clinton that leftists are calling Rowling a fascist? (Most people I know only pull up to call Rowling stupid, but anyway...) It's like if I wrote you a huge anti-war screed and then quoted George W Bush saying something out of context about how there's too many families broken by war to make him seem like an anti-war person. Hillary is bad, but this article snippet is just "I met Hillary Clinton as a pretext to tell you my own opinion."
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Craptacular! posted:The author in that Clinton quote starts off by positing their own opinion to the reader, and then verbatim quotes some aggreeable noises from Clinton. Whatever she was agreeing to is not printed verbatim. Like did the author tell Clinton that leftists are calling Rowling a fascist? (Most people I know only pull up to call Rowling stupid, but anyway...) It's like if I wrote you a huge anti-war screed and then quoted George W Bush saying something out of context about how there's too many families broken by war to make him seem like an anti-war person. Yep, it's just misleading, attention-grabbing headlines designed to maximize Twitter engagement / outrage. I'd say it's for "clicks", but I don't think most people even click on the article itself because Hillary doesn't say anything at all like what the lovely headline tries to put in her mouth. I don't give a gently caress about Hillary Clinton, but people should try to hold to a higher standard than straight-up lying clickbait.
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# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:10 |
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"Hilary is bad, I don't give a gently caress about her, but here's a breakdown on why this article is VERY UNFAIR to her." Cool, thanks guys. If there's one thing LGBTQ threads really benefit from, it's "well actually"ing about whether whatever notable piece of poo poo was technically being explicitly transphobic in this one interview. Good fun to litigate that, over and over. Maybe THIS time us trans people are just being too sensitive!! You never know!
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# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:29 |
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I think calling the article clickbaity is undermining a real concern though. I don’t give a poo poo what is in Clinton’s heart and soul, but it seems like the author was really horny for her to poo poo on trans activists . I think we’re seeing an emerging trend of the media trying to do what has been done with a lot of leftist or progressive causes to trans activism. Regardless of evidence and research, positions like access to trans care for trans kids, inclusion in sports, and gender inclusionary education are being allowed to be cast as extreme positions solely because they exist on the opposite end of a governor turning child protective services into storm troopers to kidnap trans kids. And regardless of Clinton’s intent in her response, the article is definitely taking serious moderate person Hilary Clinton and using her as a prop to moderate trans positions in the name of a cultish worship of moderation and not based on actual facts, data, or lived experiences or even what trans advocates believe. Honestly irrelevant politician known for TERFy trains of thought saying a lovely thing is better than the reality I think the article actually reflects. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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some plague rats posted:"Hilary is bad, I don't give a gently caress about her, but here's a breakdown on why this article is VERY UNFAIR to her." Cool, thanks guys. If there's one thing LGBTQ threads really benefit from, it's "well actually"ing about whether whatever notable piece of poo poo was technically being explicitly transphobic in this one interview. Good fun to litigate that, over and over. Maybe THIS time us trans people are just being too sensitive!! You never know! I'd ask you not to speak for "us trans people" on this one. Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, made it possible for me to change the gender marker on my passport without surgery. She's horrible in a lot of ways, but "Hillary Clinton has always been a transphobe" is dumb, and the article you're referring to is even dumber. There's a reason it gets readily debunked absolutely everywhere it's brought up.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I'd ask you not to speak for "us trans people" on this one. Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, made it possible for me to change the gender marker on my passport without surgery. Fair enough, I will continue to say whatever I feel like about Hilary "trans rights are a legitimate concern for women" Clinton but will refrain from framing it as a community concern
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some plague rats posted:Fair enough, I will continue to say whatever I feel like about Hilary "trans rights are a legitimate concern for women" Clinton but will refrain from framing it as a community concern Thanks! Even better if you stick to quotation marks only around actual quotes and not made up poo poo. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Thanks! Even better if you stick to quotation marks only around actual quotes and not made up poo poo. I was paraphrasing the full quote, which was "There are women who'd say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you've never had the kind of life experiences that I've had, so I respect who you are, but don't tell me you're the same as me. I do think there is a legitimate concern about women’s lived experience and the importance of recognizing that." Yeah really loving made that one up, didn't I.
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some plague rats posted:I was paraphrasing the full quote, which was "There are women who'd say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you've never had the kind of life experiences that I've had, so I respect who you are, but don't tell me you're the same as me. I do think there is a legitimate concern about women’s lived experience and the importance of recognizing that." Yeah really loving made that one up, didn't I. I found this one: https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/chelsea-and-hillary-clinton-disagree-on-transgender-identity/ posted:“There are women who’d say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.’ I hear that conversation all the time” But I couldn’t find yours. Where’d it come from? Edit: found this, which is kind of what you were saying, so maybe you mashed together two quotes? https://www.them.us/story/hillary-clinton-clarifies-transgender-women-comments posted:"I do think there is a legitimate concern about women’s lived experience and the importance of recognizing that, and also the importance of recognizing the self-identification,” DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I found this one: Both quotes are featured in that second piece. I should have linked it, that was lazy of me
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A big flaming stink posted:Clinton is coming out on the anti trans bandwagon because of course she is lmao Hillary being a TERF is just one of the absolutely least surprising things ever.
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