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happyhippy posted:Does the school have any internal CCTV? In several countries, Germany for example, such footage is not shown to the public to avoid giving the perpetrator any attention whatsoever (even posthumously) and to prevent copycats. In the US, who the gently caress knows.
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GolfHole posted:imagine there were 0 tapes of 9/11 we could just look at the New York City skyline and confirm it. That was a horrible analogy
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Remember during the Iraq war when they would not allow photographs of dead soldiers? Same principle, I imagine
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:we could just look at the New York City skyline and confirm it. That was a horrible analogy yea alright fair enough
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Jun 11, 2022 17:56
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How is this not an admission of guilt? Is incompetence a defence now???
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Jun 11, 2022 18:01
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GolfHole posted:fairly certain that guilt will finish off a good portion of those cops, so don't worry too much lol yeah I'm sure the folks who did nothing -while- a bunch of kids were getting slaughtered will feel real bad about it after the fact. part of the mental complex is being incapable of ever admitting that you were wrong. half the country thinks like that and the cream of the cream at thinking like that become cops
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Washington washed his dick, that's why they called him that.
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Mister Speaker posted:How is this not an admission of guilt? Is incompetence a defence now??? police officers are in no way compelled to put themselves in danger to protect others. They are literally just around to give speeding tickets. They have no other job
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Jun 11, 2022 18:08
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so he abandons his radio, bumbles around for over an hour trying to figure out which is the right key, and then...nothing? just sat around till everyone got to the scene? quote:The chief pinned the blame for the 77-minute span between his arrival at the school and the elimination of Ramos primarily on officers' inability to find the correct key to the door of the classroom in which the shooter had locked himself. Over the course of the attack, he says he was given two different key rings to try. okay whats the real reason there is no way this is what they are going with
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GolfHole posted:fairly certain that guilt will finish off a good portion of those cops, so don't worry too much 
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Jun 11, 2022 18:23
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:police officers are in no way compelled to put themselves in danger to protect others. They are literally just around to give speeding tickets. They have no other job OK, I get that, Supreme Court ruling and whatever... but this guy chose to act, if we're believing what he says. There's often a narrative that gets spun when a cop kills an unarmed black guy, "was he following standard operating procedure?" Presumably this is so the dept. can absolve themselves of responsibility by throwing him under the bus, IIRC this happened with Chauvin. Is there not a SOP to use your loving radios? It's the most important piece of tactical gear they carry. You'd think it would be drilled into them to loving use it. To my mind, this pig coming out and saying "I left my radio behind," is an admission of incompetence. Why didn't he just stop at "I was scared for my life," leaving everything to that "well technically they don't have to protect anyone" defence?
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Jun 11, 2022 18:38
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:also, why on earth would you want to see one troubled child kill many others?
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The police chief didn't know he was in charge? Isn't that what police chief means?!
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Mister Speaker posted:How is this not an admission of guilt? Is incompetence a defence now??? as per SCOTUS cops aren't liable for... hmmm... anything they do
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Mister Speaker posted:OK, I get that, Supreme Court ruling and whatever... but this guy chose to act, if we're believing what he says. There's often a narrative that gets spun when a cop kills an unarmed black guy, "was he following standard operating procedure?" Presumably this is so the dept. can absolve themselves of responsibility by throwing him under the bus, IIRC this happened with Chauvin. Is there not a SOP to use your loving radios? It's the most important piece of tactical gear they carry. You'd think it would be drilled into them to loving use it. To my mind, this pig coming out and saying "I left my radio behind," is an admission of incompetence. Why didn't he just stop at "I was scared for my life," leaving everything to that "well technically they don't have to protect anyone" defence? Whoa, calm down buddy, were on the same page here. the police are incompetent and useless. A garbageman serves a function, collects your garbage and takes it to a dump or other facility. A sewer worker serves a function, making sure the sewers and other water lines in your county work. What position does the policeman fill? They do nothing to serve or enrich the community.
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:also, why on earth would you want to see one troubled child kill many others? Not the killer, or the act itself, but I would argue seeing the bodies (or even of the victim cowering moments before) would scare/sicken people into doing something. People have the Hollywood notion of gun violence, like being hit once you insta fall down and insta die. No squirming on the ground, no blood drained faces, eyes rolling back into the head, screaming, making GBS threads yourself in adrenaline fueled fear deaths. Showing what an AR15 does to a kids head will shut up more of the gun wavers imo.
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:Whoa, calm down buddy, were on the same page here. the police are incompetent and useless. A garbageman serves a function, collects your garbage and takes it to a dump or other facility. A sewer worker serves a function, making sure the sewers and other water lines in your county work. What position does the policeman fill? They do nothing to serve or enrich the community. Sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was attacking you. We are absolutely on the same page. I guess what I'm confused about is, if the cop is choosing to act (even though according to SCOTUS he has no duty to act), why is he admitting that he acted incompetently? He would have been protected for sitting back and doing nothing, but he's admitting that he stepped in with no radio comms, which seems to me like negligence causing harm. I don't know if I'm articulating this properly at all. Or is this one of those things that's covered under that other SCOTUS thing, 'qualified immunity'?
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Mister Speaker posted:Sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was attacking you. We are absolutely on the same page. I guess what I'm confused about is, if the cop is choosing to act (even though according to SCOTUS he has no duty to act), why is he admitting that he acted incompetently? He would have been protected for sitting back and doing nothing, but he's admitting that he stepped in with no radio comms, which seems to me like negligence causing harm. I don't know if I'm articulating this properly at all. Or is this one of those things that's covered under that other SCOTUS thing, 'qualified immunity'? What are they gonna do, fire him?
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happyhippy posted:Not the killer, or the act itself, but I would argue seeing the bodies (or even of the victim cowering moments before) would scare/sicken people into doing something. 1) I completely understand parents who don't want the lasting image of their poor, innocent, murdered child to be a sensationalized, gory crime scene photo. 2) It won't change those people's minds because they revel in the carnage. They know exactly what these weapons do just like they know exactly what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for...  https://twitter.com/HouseJudiciary/status/1534604060321521664?s=20&t=S_XbxxU3ezmBxTdm3t1v4g
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Tarquinn posted:In several countries, Germany for example, such footage is not shown to the public to avoid giving the perpetrator any attention whatsoever (even posthumously) and to prevent copycats. Didn't we have Columbine footage? And that was like 20 years ago. Away all Goats posted:The police chief didn't know he was in charge? Isn't that what police chief means?! Sorry, he thought he was the police chef
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Bill Maher jumping on the Hollywood Violence bandwagon -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebg2YnBj9II Unless he's trash talking about Trump, Bill is such a piece of poo poo.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:2) It won't change those people's minds because they revel in the carnage. They know exactly what these weapons do…
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:1) I completely understand parents who don't want the lasting image of their poor, innocent, murdered child to be a sensationalized, gory crime scene photo. The rifle it replaced shot a way larger caliber bullet. All this focus on the AR-15 is really weird to me because it's like... if you ban them then people will just use another gun that shoots the same exacty bullet at the same exact rate to kill people. It feels like "gun control" that doesnt actually attack the real problem, ownership of guns in general, by hyper-fixating on a specific type of gun that is only differentiated by superficial characteristics. Like how the assault weapon ban didnt do poo poo but people could point to it to trick other people into thinking they were doing something for gun control.
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Liquid Chicken posted:Bill Maher jumping on the Hollywood Violence bandwagon - surprised he didn't blame it on video games, what with it being the 1990s and people caring what bill maher has to say
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Liquid Chicken posted:Bill Maher jumping on the Hollywood Violence bandwagon - Scratch a liberal, etc., etc.
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Liquid Chicken posted:Bill Maher jumping on the Hollywood Violence bandwagon - didnt watch
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Buschmaki posted:The rifle it replaced shot a way larger caliber bullet. It's not just about calibre, though. The AR platform was adopted because of its ease of use in general. It's lighter, less cumbersome, the bullets are lighter which means you can carry more of them, and its recoil is more controllable than its predecessor. quote:All this focus on the AR-15 is really weird to me because it's like... if you ban them then people will just use another gun that shoots the same exacty bullet at the same exact rate to kill people. It is maybe a bit misguided to put all the focus on one particular rifle platform, but you have to acknowledge there's something about it that makes it the arm of choice for people looking to murder the most people possible in the shortest amount of time. Maybe it's the ease of use as stated above, maybe it's an aesthetics thing like feeling like you're in No Russian. There is some nuance to things, and here in Canada one of the longest points of contention was exactly what you mention; the Ruger Mini-14 is basically the same thing as an AR15 - one was banned and the other was not. One of them was used to massacre 14 women in Montreal in the 80s, and the other... looks like an AR15. The Mini-14 was finally banned a year or two ago, so we don't really have that argument anymore. I'm not saying you're doing this, but I find that generally when gun advocates make this argument, the drawn comparison is simply brought up to dilute the discourse and instil lack of confidence in the competence of 'the law'. IMO, the best response to someone genuinely bringing these things up as if it's a legitimate argument against some semblance of gun control is, "Hey good point, we should ban those too."
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Mister Speaker posted:It's not just about calibre, though. The AR platform was adopted because of its ease of use in general. It's lighter, less cumbersome, the bullets are lighter which means you can carry more of them, and its recoil is more controllable than its predecessor. Yeah I had the mini-14 in my head when I made this post. I think part of the reason ARs are used so much is like, their affordability and maybe even their notoriety, since shining a spotlight on them acts almost like a hosed up marketing thing. And yeah I know a lot of people bring this up as a sorta "Banning the AR15 is misguided so we may as well not ban anything", but I think like, it's much more important to focus gun control on objective measures of the poo poo you're banning like technical specifications and capabilities. If not I feel like it runs the risk of just exhausting all the political will for gun control to ban one specific thing, and then psychos will just use a gun capable of the same thing the next time this happens instead of actual meaningful legislation that actually affects gun ownership and poo poo.
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there be videgames and movies in all the world yet we do not see mass shootings like in america
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Murdstone posted:I don't want to see it, I think the people who are against gun control should see it. the cops already saw it though
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Collapsing Farts posted:there be videgames and movies in all the world sure, but the rest of the world doesn't have that American Ambition™
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mobby_6kl posted:Sorry, he thought he was the police chef Chef literally means chief.
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Re: people focus too much on my precious AR! Ban it. Ban all semi autos. Only allow bolt action rifles, and single action revolvers. Then "hunters" still have something "to feed themselves with", and hobbyists can keep fondling something. And if a malcontent idiot wants to bring one to a school, their scrawny arms would tire out from working the bolt before they can do much damage. It seems failproof to me, nobody can give a good argument why detachable magazines, semi auto fire, etc are necessary in the hands of civilians other than "feral hogs"
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Mister Speaker posted:How is this not an admission of guilt? Is incompetence a defence now??? thanks to qualified immunity, if we find out that his incredible incompetence put him at fault, it will then establish a precedent that maybe the next guy who fucks up that badly might get in trouble but officer hero here of course has qualified immunity because it hasn’t previously been determined to be bad in a court of law and he will get in no trouble 
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Zefiel posted:Re: people focus too much on my precious AR! but what if I have to kill 15-30 feral hogs to protect my children?
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