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TheWeedNumber
Apr 20, 2020

by sebmojo

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

In America that stuff still exists, it's just about the South winning the Civil War.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Russia: “we will stop the Americans from killing Indians!”

South: “Robert E Lee was gonna free the slaves after the war”

What a bunch of loons

stackofflapjacks
Apr 7, 2009

Mmmmm

Murgos posted:

The fiction about demonizing and destroying your neighbors is bad but the other thing is just a take on “A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court”.

Wasn’t there a US series about a military unit that goes back in time from around a decade before that and does similar things?

Not sure if that is this but...

Reminds me of the internet story about 1 whole division being dropped into ancient Italy?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
It was a Reddit thing that got optioned and then shelved

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

In America that stuff still exists, it's just about the South winning the Civil War.

If you're talking about the Guns of the South books by Harry Turtledove, it's not presented as a good thing. There are a series of wars that parallel late 19th and early 20th century Europe, with analogues to the Franco Prussian war (won by the South), WWI (won by the North), and WWII (both sides nuke each other and the North eventually wins). The South gets worse and worse, from a humanitarian perspective, and ends up with a Hitler analogue that Final Solutions black people in the South.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Also, while we're on Turtledove, one of those Russian books sounds remarkably like Guns of the South, which....I mean it's terrible, but how could you not buy a book with that cover

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

A.o.D. posted:

If you're talking about the Guns of the South books by Harry Turtledove, it's not presented as a good thing. There are a series of wars that parallel late 19th and early 20th century Europe, with analogues to the Franco Prussian war (won by the South), WWI (won by the North), and WWII (both sides nuke each other and the North eventually wins). The South gets worse and worse, from a humanitarian perspective, and ends up with a Hitler analogue that Final Solutions black people in the South.

There are two books by turtledove the one youre talking about where theres some random divergence which sets this off which is called "how few remains"and another where a bunch of racists with AKs go back in time and give the confeds a bunch of assault rifles and intel which have the confeds win and Lee realizes that slavery is bad due to slave up risings.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Yeah, How Few Remains = long series of Civil War analogues

Guns of the South = one-shot novel where South African militia types smuggle AKs back in time, don't realize what a Right Honorable Southern Gentleman that REL turned out to be

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-owned-successor-of-mcdonalds-opens-in-moscow_n_62a5dc46e4b0c77098a1affc

quote:

MOSCOW (AP) — Three months after McDonald’s suspended operations in Russia, hundreds of people streamed into its famous former outlet on Moscow’s Pushkin Square as the restaurant reopened Sunday under a Russian owner and a new name.

In March, McDonald’s halted operations of its company-run restaurants in Russia. Although some run by franchisees stayed open, the action by the multinational fast-food chain was among the most visible responses by foreign companies to Russia sending troops into Ukraine.

Two months later, McDonald’s decided to leave Russia altogether and sold its 850 restaurants to Alexander Govor, who held licenses for 25 franchises in Siberia.

Govor is moving fast to reopen the shuttered outlets. It wasn’t until a couple of hours before the Pushkin Square restaurant opened that the Russian chain’s new name was announced: Vkusno-i Tochka (Tasty-period).

The logo is different, but still evokes the golden arches: a circle and two yellow oblongs — representing a beef patty and french fries — configured into a stylized M.
Fifteen of the former McDonald’s were set to reopen in Moscow on Sunday. Oleg Paroev, the chain’s general director, said he aims to have 200 open by the end of the month.

As part of the sales deal, whose monetary terms were not announced, the new operation agreed to retain all 62,000 people employed by McDonald’s prior to its exit.

The crowd at the Pushkin Square outlet, however sizable and lively, was no match for the turnout for the McDonald’s opening in 1990, when people waited in line for hours. At that time, McDonald’s had psychological and political resonance beyond hamburgers.

The opening was the first taste most Muscovites had of Western consumerism and service efficiency, as well as a sign the Soviet Union was slowly dropping its guard and allowing foreign culture into the country.
On Sunday, that earlier symbolism echoed through Sunday’s reopening with a note of nostalgia.

“This is a historic place — the flagship of McDonald’s,” Govor told reporters. “I’m sure it will be the flagship for us.”

Inside, the restaurant resembled a fraternal twin of its former self. There were touchscreens for placing orders and counter workers wearing familiar polo-shirt uniforms.

“We’re sure that our customers won’t notice a difference between us,” Paroev said. However, he said, the company will seek a new soft drinks supplier as it has limited stocks of Coca-Cola.

quote:

Govor is moving fast to reopen the shuttered outlets. It wasn’t until a couple of hours before the Pushkin Square restaurant opened that the Russian chain’s new name was announced: Vkusno-i Tochka (Tasty-period).

quote:

Vkusno-i Tochka (Tasty-period).

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
mom, can we we stop at макдоналдс?

we have макдоналдсВКУСНО И ТОЧНО at home

at home: https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1535913431081095169

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
Every "lost cause" has a "what if *lost cause* actually won" book.

Sometimes its an interesting thought exercise, sometimes its a "God I wish I could still legally own slaves" fantasy.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



CMYK BLYAT! posted:

mom, can we we stop at макдоналдс?

we have макдоналдсВКУСНО И ТОЧНО at home

at home: https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1535913431081095169

Repo Man looking meal packaging.

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021


My new avatar is somewhere in this post.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Look they said right there in the name Tasty and that's all, branding is explicitly out of scope.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012


"Nationalist military fantasies exist" isn't the story. "State security apparatus mandating they be included in every bookstore" is the story.

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536125250491912193

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536125364971286528

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536124337496858624

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536124509220089856

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536122095754792961

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536122095754792961

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536129453142724609

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536128729956732932

Pine Cone Jones fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jun 13, 2022

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536142007843930112?t=n_Sh9pOfuWoZo-mwwuAuqw&s=19

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536142010100350976?t=hvFFDzvz6xH-m7DFlgnaUQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1536142011681628162?t=D3zVUAzoawTRV5AeIZQj8w&s=19

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

Murgos posted:


Wasn’t there a US series about a military unit that goes back in time from around a decade before that and does similar things?

There was this movie:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080736/

The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jun 13, 2022

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

I watched that in Qatar at the MWR on the big screen. What a loving weird movie.

And then there's always the conspiracy about the Eldridge, the Philadelphia Experiment.

https://www.grunge.com/494687/what-we-know-about-the-cias-alleged-secret-time-travel-program/

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

There was also a series of games for the PS2 where you play as a WW2 naval commander whose ship sails into a portal to an alternate world.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011



Woulda been a lot better had the return of the time storm not blue balled us all from watching the Nimitz wreck the poo poo out of the Kido Butai and avert Pearl Harbor.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Wait what the gently caress is the point of the movie if the one thing you want to see it for doesn't happen

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

Gaius Marius posted:

Wait what the gently caress is the point of the movie if the one thing you want to see it for doesn't happen

A really good theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXbQSu0UOo[

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Gaius Marius posted:

Wait what the gently caress is the point of the movie if the one thing you want to see it for doesn't happen

Has a dogfight between F-14s and Zeros that they filmed with real planes so it holds up pretty well. But yeah the ending is dull. Have the captain go mad with power and declare himself king of Hawaii that could have been fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7otgVXJiRkQ

Hyrax Attack! fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jun 13, 2022

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
You mean like when the USS Hillary Clinton went back in time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Choice

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Thanks I'd managed to repress memory of that book.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

At least the music video was cool

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

GD_American posted:

You mean like when the USS Hillary Clinton went back in time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Choice

Jesus Christ

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Arrath posted:

Thanks I'd managed to repress memory of that book.

Ugh I remember a character was named “Mike Judge” and it was distracting. Doesn’t the Japanese ship from 2021 immediately defect to 1942 imperial Japan, as otherwise the sides wouldn’t be even?

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Hyrax Attack! posted:

Ugh I remember a character was named “Mike Judge” and it was distracting. Doesn’t the Japanese ship from 2021 immediately defect to 1942 imperial Japan, as otherwise the sides wouldn’t be even?

Yes I believe so.

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

Also sounds like Zipang

https://mangadex.org/title/9fd6f194-bf0b-4e8f-baa4-932b50ddff37/zipang

In the year 200X, a Japanese fleet consisting of 3 vessels leave on a mission to South America. After encountering a storm, the ship JDS Mirai find itself without its escorts and in the year 1942, traveling towards the island of Midway to face the American fleet in one of largest battles in naval history. The crew of the Mirai must decide whether or not to change the course of history by involving itself in WWII.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Madurai posted:

"Nationalist military fantasies exist" isn't the story. "State security apparatus mandating they be included in every bookstore" is the story.

State security involvement beyond tolerating them is conjecture, it's easy to see Russian society organically generating demand for these

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
still not tired of this meme https://twitter.com/KermlinRussia/status/1536222789899849728

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

that's not Europe

Coquito Ergo Sum posted:

My new avatar is somewhere in this post.

if only same

instead of the cheese post

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

GD_American posted:

You mean like when the USS Hillary Clinton went back in time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Choice

I remember few things about that book. The few i do aren't great. Gratuitous sexual violence for no real reason against a black lesbian, a sailor complaining she hadn't managed to gently caress jfk yet, and the line "she was the best president this nation ever had".

The ai implants that let the carrier fight a us task force to a standstill with the entire crew unconscious and some of the ships and crews philly experimented into each other was neat tho. Give me the ai implants so i can be productive even though im a pos please

Edit: thinking back on it this book dealt with rape almost as much as a ringo novel

Stravag fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jun 13, 2022

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Pokemon Go Back In Time

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
There's a really funny series of books where a civil war Regiment(or something) gets transported to some alien world so they can fight the local not-mongol centaur horde. I'm completely blanking on the names though.

Joke Miriam
Nov 17, 2019



Radical 90s Wizard posted:

There's a really funny series of books where a civil war Regiment(or something) gets transported to some alien world so they can fight the local not-mongol centaur horde. I'm completely blanking on the names though.

We’re they Confederates, or Americans?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


A legion got whisked away by puppeteers to fight for them in the Known Universe setting.

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Kallikaa
Jun 13, 2001

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

There's a really funny series of books where a civil war Regiment(or something) gets transported to some alien world so they can fight the local not-mongol centaur horde. I'm completely blanking on the names though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Regiment?

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