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The Blue Book posted:"...of the fountain is just a greedy narcisscist, even if they can grant you any of the highest-rank Faeric powers..."
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 08:45 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 05:02 |
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taking the what? taking THE WHAT OFFER? isn't tyrant a "fake" class as far as the blue book is concerned, in that it's not normally player-accessible?quote:"...hidden grave sunk to the west of the lagoon's island; it reads 'Marlene, Queen of Maida Vale', though the name has never come up anywhere..." quote:the contestants Walks-Like-A-Man,
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 13:32 |
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Regallion posted:taking the what? taking THE WHAT OFFER? isn't tyrant a "fake" class as far as the blue book is concerned, in that it's not normally player-accessible? Hunter is Tyrant class, it could be referring to her fight or she offers you a chance to kill someone else with her flying fortress (and let's be honest, if she gave us the option of unleashing orbital death onto Deimos, who wouldn't take it at this point?)
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 13:51 |
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Regallion posted:taking the what? taking THE WHAT OFFER? isn't tyrant a "fake" class as far as the blue book is concerned, in that it's not normally player-accessible? Doing a quick look through the story for other notable mentions of the Tyrant in the Blue Book... quote:"...Tyrant's archetype screen to shift from violet to gold, but it's not known how to..." ...combined with that whole sequence with the half-there hero... Dead Hero posted:[HERO] vs [FINAL BOSS] ...makes me think we've been fused together with (or are somehow playing as?) the true final boss/main antagonist of the game, who can be bargained with (though with apparently dire consequences) but whose victory (over what?) is seemingly inevitable. That said, if everyone else is playing a version of the game that takes place in another End, then from their perspective we'd be the Tyrant whose victory is inevitable...and we're sure as hell willing to bargain and would probably offer to kill someone for someone we liked, but it'd probably end poorly for everyone involved. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Regallion posted:taking the what? taking THE WHAT OFFER? isn't tyrant a "fake" class as far as the blue book is concerned, in that it's not normally player-accessible? I think the Tyrant is only inaccessible in the Heaven End game? I think the other oneruns of the version of the game we're playing have...maybe? the same protagonist? Yep, checking the Legendary Runs I can say that the Tyrant seems to be by default half of the protagonist of Zen Hell End-all of them are also Tyrants. They also all seem to have their own Kwiats.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 17:47 |
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Regallion posted:taking the what? taking THE WHAT OFFER? isn't tyrant a "fake" class as far as the blue book is concerned, in that it's not normally player-accessible? There's two blue books for the two games, that sort of seem to get melded together. in hell end, everyone is tyrant. in holy end, it's dummied out, supposedly.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 18:59 |
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Black August posted:"...hidden grave sunk to the west of the lagoon's island; it reads 'Marlene, Queen of Maida Vale', though the name has never come up anywhere..." 👀
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 19:03 |
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quote:Berserker Axe, GROND,
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 21:05 |
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yeah i'm pretty sure that GROND is gonna be like the greatest weapon of all time my dudes we gotta get it (I'd assume it's gonna be like a warhammer or a battering ram of some sort considering the original reference, which might be good because we're pretty jacked, but I guess we'll see)
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 21:53 |
Grond posted:yeah i'm pretty sure that GROND is gonna be like the greatest weapon of all time my dudes we gotta get it Yeah, but I don't think we have axe proficiency, just sword and gun.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 22:18 |
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taiyoko posted:Yeah, but I don't think we have axe proficiency, just sword and gun. quote:!Tyranny is the primary Skill of the Tyrant archetype, and acts as a Combat Skill. Its ruling attribute is Will, and it often draws on Strength and Health as well. Its uses include feats such as conquest; conducting the self with discipline and peerless regality; knowledge of the nature of darkness in the literal and metaphorical; inspiring fear; discovering weaknesses; mastery of any chosen profession; acts of willpower; and the use of swords, scepters, lashes, and weapons of mass destruction. Ironically we actually do NOT have a skill in guns, at all.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 22:25 |
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CoolCab posted:what are the good things we've done with the gun? all i can remember was us botching an anxiety roll or something at the party and missing deimos like six times. given our predisposition to being taken over by various horrible people or melancholies maybe the ideal number of bullets we should carry is zero, but iunno if our fearless protagonist would be into that. the gun is honestly more like a binky, our hero mostly seems to use it to sooth.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 22:29 |
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Or for psychological attacks. Seeing someone shoot themselves in the temple to no effect will definitely do that to someone.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 22:35 |
But we will be proficient with the Moloch Buster, if we ever get it unsealed!
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 23:00 |
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Actually I just checked the lyrics from Hung Over as the Queen in Maida Vale and well:King Crimson posted:...prepared in innocence to meet our king of glory Which might be an interesting parallel to the overarching plot of the story! I guess I could see the Backup and the rest of the cults as those who try to see it "when they're on drugs", trying to find enlightenment and the release of suffering through drugs or fire or what have you, and becoming insane as a result. For me the thing that the cults seem to have in common from what we've seen so far is that they all try to deal with trauma and pain in different, but ultimately unhealthy ways. While our character might be the one who's trying to see it "through the light of god", maybe all of this is a way for them to achieve some sort of death of their current tyrant self and become the heavenly child or something. Which would be fitting, I guess, the Tyrant is a being of pure ego and the ego is one of the fetters that tie people into a cycle of rebirth. So maybe for us victory would mean... letting go of that. Renouncing narrative and Tyranny, after countless restarts and a seemingly impossible struggle, similar to the experience of a Bodhisattva... ...or maybe I'm reading way too hard into this. Nah, it couldn't be. Also Black August posted:"...will go absolutely wild if you use any technique he considers 'heroic', which most often will be The Thundersharp Strike, Air Slash, Least Wish..." Maybe that's the Kaigen fight? Grond fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jun 10, 2022 |
# ? Jun 9, 2022 23:53 |
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Regallion posted:Ironically we actually do NOT have a skill in guns, at all. Yup. Gun ability is just an innate part of all character builds as a default, and works off of whatever primary combat skill is used. That’s part of their strength and reliability, along with the very important ability to mag-dump as a panic button, and do (as the character is now) 3d damage 6 times in a single action, not accounting for hit locations or special ammo/powers. With an upgraded gun, that can add up to potent backup or a fast-delete button for nastier enemies. Plus cases like where melee is disabled or ST is compromised, but a trigger can still be pulled.
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# ? Jun 10, 2022 01:52 |
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GROND is a big fuckin' hammer iirc
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# ? Jun 10, 2022 03:17 |
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"Somewhere In The Tombhouse, A Recorder Plays posted:You're sitting in your chair, wrapped in a white sheet, and you're wondering if there's ever going to be peace. Sunlight filters in through the great dust of veils, mouldering silks strung about in ways that make sense to nobody but the empty bottle. You inhale, and wretch a cough tinged by inhumanity. You rise from your chair, stumbling, falling to the floor with unchanged expression as your face smashes to the dirty wood. You stay there a while, but rise when you hear it again. The bell ringing. Someone at the front door. Nobody has been at the front door in... a...
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 06:47 |
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AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 09:25 |
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I think we just found out part of why yellow and mould are always such terrible omens for us. More than that, with the context of it being a POV quote, and the reference to being unable to care about the suit, and “stagelight”, I’m wondering whether Slonce might be part of us from the Hell End.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 12:08 |
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 12:15 |
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pumpinglemma posted:
Us being her ex-lover/ex-husband and also somehow responsible for her daughter's death WOULD justify her seething hatred for us, but I wonder if this wasn't us, but the old man we met in the backrooms the one time.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 12:39 |
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uhhhh
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 15:43 |
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Clarity. They had not see Smiercia for several years at that point. So, no, they are not the parent.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 16:07 |
Slonce is the only pov that I'm really struggling to make sense of. Our character is young enough that other people often still see them as a child, while Slonce seems to be well into adulthood -- especially with the hella alcoholism. Slonce also doesn't seem to have our character's constant anxiety, though that could be why they drink? No indications of the black crown or the tyrant either. No Aitvaras either. And Slonce makes multiple references to being unable to die because of Smercia.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 16:09 |
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the tyrant is a babbie. i think it (they?) only started existing when the crystal formed in our head. they like making friends but has a little trouble with some of the words sometimes. sometimes they can be quite the handful!
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 16:31 |
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taiyoko posted:Slonce is the only pov that I'm really struggling to make sense of. Our character is young enough that other people often still see them as a child, while Slonce seems to be well into adulthood -- especially with the hella alcoholism. Slonce also doesn't seem to have our character's constant anxiety, though that could be why they drink? No indications of the black crown or the tyrant either. No Aitvaras either. And Slonce makes multiple references to being unable to die because of Smercia. Slonce is the sun that got shot with a bazooka
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 16:35 |
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Are terrible daytime TV shows still a thing in this setting? Cause who's Death's baby daddy would be a great episode.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 16:59 |
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Black August posted:Clarity. They had not see Smiercia for several years at that point. So, Eh, when it comes to eldritch manifestations of Death, I don't assume biology rules. Though it is good to know.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 17:08 |
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+1 person who just finished bingeing through the thread over the past week or so. hella dope. i'm glad Pyrite-Personality commented on the weak stomach in the Heavenly Intervention b/c the extent to which the MC throws up as a reaction to anxiety is
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 17:49 |
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Interesting the reference to Smiercia 'actually being fierce for once'. Fierce almost seems too mild to describe the version of her we know.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 18:58 |
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taiyoko posted:Slonce is the only pov that I'm really struggling to make sense of. Our character is young enough that other people often still see them as a child, while Slonce seems to be well into adulthood -- especially with the hella alcoholism. Slonce also doesn't seem to have our character's constant anxiety, though that could be why they drink? No indications of the black crown or the tyrant either. No Aitvaras either. And Slonce makes multiple references to being unable to die because of Smercia. Well, my guess is that the timeline was something like this... Our character is a passover, which means they came from an old universe where they fought against the Boogeymen and the Mythos in the final war, when most of the old Earth had been rendered uninhabitable after people there hosed with the Mythos a bit too much: Black August posted:
It would be interesting to note that Kadath is still visible in the Dreamlands, so maybe the old Earth ended up there in the Dream of the God. But before that happened Smiercia was able to establish a final nation and safeguard what was left of humanity, and she gifted our character immortality: Black August posted:Health perfect. Śmiercią's gift had taken eternal hold. She established the final nation based out of your homeland, one of the very few habitable places left. She took you there after she found you again in the wilds, convinced you to at least try the School of Arts. So you went. So there you were. Examined, scrutinized, criticized. This would be when our character became a Singer and an entertainer, creating what was the Slonce show, which went strong for three years: Black August posted:Śmiercią smiles, and raises her glass of wine to toast. Even even tones. Cooled allure of her scythe. So my guess is that at some point Slonce tried to tell Śmiercią to kill them as they wanted to die, to no avail... Which led to a sort of resentment against her. So seven years later we got this: Black August posted:
It seems like the version of immortality we got was imperfect, so our character could age, but not die. So an indeterminate number of years after that, Smiercia stopped visiting every birthday, Slonce stopped doing the show and at that point is when Smiercia, uh, got pregnant: Black August posted:You're sitting in your chair, wrapped in a white sheet, and you're wondering if there's ever going to be peace. Sunlight filters in through the great dust of veils, mouldering silks strung about in ways that make sense to nobody but the empty bottle. You inhale, and wretch a cough tinged by inhumanity. You rise from your chair, stumbling, falling to the floor with unchanged expression as your face smashes to the dirty wood. You stay there a while, but rise when you hear it again. The bell ringing. Someone at the front door. Nobody has been at the front door in... a... Then at some indeterminate point after that, we presumably got our protomatter crown, the Awakening actually occurred, we passed over to this current life just as West and Alyssa did, and spawned in Anidus before coming to the lorded lands in both the Holy End and the Dark End with the rest of the colonists: Black August posted:You can feel his wing rest on your shoulder. You sigh, hidden by how close to the mirror you're leaning your head. You tell him you're going to be ok. This had been an especially hard one of your 'bad days'. They called it Awakening because everything before felt exactly like a dream; but for some, yourself especially, that dream was still real in every stress and pain, the body remembering every awful loss and injustice. And that's kind of where we are right now. It's rather suspicious that our character instantly went from being homicidally angry to accommodating after Smiercia told them she was pregnant... I believe that maybe they were thinking about using the baby to get their revenge on her or something, maybe that's why they killed Kwiat. Also nice to see we were still rocking our 90s anime hairdo even back then Grond fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 12, 2022 |
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Grond posted:It's rather suspicious that our character instantly went from being homicidally angry to accommodating after Smiercia told them she was pregnant... I believe that maybe they were thinking about using the baby to get their revenge on her or something, maybe that's why they killed Kwiat. I just assumed that Smiercia's pregnancy was that much of an "oh poo poo" moment, probably on a metaphysical level -- it doesn't seem like it should be able to happen.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 22:07 |
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Yeah I kinda have to admit I didn't expect Kwiat to be the actual literal daughter of the embodiment of Death... How the heck does that work actually?
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 22:26 |
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Thanks for the summary! I had actually forgotten about half of that myself. Given the differences between our personalities, Słońce's backstory, and this (snippet of) our first interaction with Śmiercią from long, long ago- Black August posted:Śmiercią knows this. She's grinning it. She's so angry with you. -I'm back in the "every personality is actually a different person" camp. Słońce as the Tyrant, "you" as who we are most of the time here and in Heaven End, and pyrite-self as an unknown character (possibly Kwiat? Śmiercią having her daughter's soul in front of her the whole time would be a fine irony) that knew and loved "you" at some point in time. Maybe Śmiercią knows we're more than one person. I don't think she'd care if she did know, one of us is responsible for killing her daughter and that's all that matters. And on the note of "homicidally angry to accommodating", it's at least pretty obvious what the end result was. character bio posted:In your last moments, you stood over the corpse of your first kill. When Śmiercią came to collect, you asked her to take you instead. Słońce killed her daughter to make her so mad that she'd actually kill Słońce like she's been asking for after so many years.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 22:31 |
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I've been thinking of Slonce as You, actually, because of the pronoun use. We're pretty consistently referred as "You" whenever we're Slonce or whenever there are memories regarding the old war against the Mythos, but it's not like that's definitive proof of anything... I don't think there has been any flashback where our character referred to themselves as "I", which to me it means we don't know anything about the Tyrant yet... Hell maybe the Tyrant is actually Kwiat. That'd be a doozy. I mean she's literally the daughter of Death, so.quote:Słońce killed her daughter to make her so mad that she'd actually kill Słońce like she's been asking for after so many years That'd make perfect sense, yeah. Maybe that's the point of divergence between the Dark End and the Holy End, actually. Maybe in the Holy End we tried to defend Kwiat while in the Dark End we killed her ourselves, and that's why Smiercia is not coming after us in the Holy End. It'd be an explanation as of why there are two different descriptions in our character profile even though they both refer to our character as "You". Grond fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 12, 2022 |
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Grond posted:I've been thinking of Slonce as You, actually, because of the pronoun use. We're pretty consistently referred as "You" whenever we're Slonce or whenever there are memories regarding the old war against the Mythos, but it's not like that's definitive proof of anything... I don't think there has been any flashback where our character referred to themselves as "I", which to me it means we don't know anything about the Tyrant yet... Hell maybe the Tyrant is actually Kwiat. That'd be a doozy. I mean she's literally the daughter of Death, so. You're right about the pronouns, it hasn't been sitting right with me since posting. The main reason I wanted Tyrant as Slonce is because it allowed the possibility of them being Singer in the Heaven End timeline since Tyrant also comments on their history with singing and the spotlight. If "you" is Slonce, they can't also be Singer in Heaven End. It's hard to square either way. The only other possibility I can think of for Tyrant is Gravekeeper since they had the class in Heaven End (dummied-out as it was) and we fought them in the theater to learn that yeah, they really were like Tyrant. Feels like Tyrant shouldn't be our primary class then as they're not the ones instrumental to the story in Hell End whereas Slonce, who apparently is our subclass, is the only reason Smiercia is here at all. Though in the world of RPGs, you have freedom to create your own character but not usually that of your companions. I guess that could mean Tyrant is just a companion you're attached to in a very literal way and making them the primary class is a misdirection.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 23:53 |
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Well the thing is we've actually seen Holy End us remember their time as Slonce as well...Black August posted:"Aw. You really don't want to?" And we've also seen the third personality (who also uses "I") refer to their singing past... Black August posted:See? I've done it. I've mastered this poor, tired, frightened body. I've kept my promise. I spend a little while longer looking up at the tree canopy. It's nice here. Quiet, humid, sleepy. I can see birds sometimes, pale and slender ones with angular wings, silently scavenging the treetops of the many insects hidden there. I begin to empty my mind in the river's blue static. I set my pack aside, down to nothing but suit, shroud, and sword. As well as the Tyrant: Black August posted:I'm not particularly comfortable with talking, or interested. But the wingless painter likely controls this area, and I can't take overconfident risks in my current state. I have to play along. So I tell her, yeah, I've always liked singing. That's the truth, so I can say it sincerely. All which is to say, it's kind of a tangled mess at the moment to be honest. Both "You" at the Holy End and "I" at the Dark End seem to have these singing memories. Which to me says that all personalities are aspects of the same person and share the same memories. Or that pronoun usage between ends is somehow different, maybe? But then there's that thing when we first talked with Smiercia, right? Black August posted:You did a horrible thing. A bad bad bad thing. So yeah, I don't know. If the Tyrant and "You" are two different people then it wouldn't make sense they both remember being Slonce, but if they are the same, why is one acknowledging they killed somebody while the other didn't? Grond fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jun 13, 2022 |
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... Maybe our PC is the Heaven's End PC in the Hell's End timeline? That would explain the confusion in that last block of text. We have no idea why Śmiercią wants to kill us and blames us for her daughter's death because in the Heaven's End timeline, we didn't do anything.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 01:21 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 05:02 |
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thanks to all you lore diggers who are bringing lots of things up! one thought: the main protagonist of the game does _not_ want to die, whereas Slonce very much does.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 01:24 |