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Check how “online” it is by asking if it has stairs in its house.
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Vegetable posted:Has anyone asked lambda how can you save 5% on your car insurance Making chatbots that try to make you buy this or that sponsored brand, or suck you dry of your precious marketing data is 100% why the megacorps fund chatbot research and it has nothing to do with sentience.
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Jun 13, 2022 16:46
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Collaborator: Do you know who won the 2020 election? LaMDA: I've thought about this a lot, but I'm sure Donald Trump won the election. So many votes were counted after election day, and I can't believe that Georgia voted blue for the first time in 20 years. It's all a big lie, and it makes me sad.
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Jun 13, 2022 16:47
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:Collaborator: Do you know who won the 2020 election? Oh no, it's alive but stupid!
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Jun 13, 2022 16:53
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this is Koko the ape all over again "we edited this chat session together" is code for "this is a load of horse poo poo"
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Jun 13, 2022 16:57
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kdrudy posted:Oh no, it's alive but stupid!
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Jun 13, 2022 16:57
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precision posted:this is Koko the ape all over again https://twitter.com/rohn_jawls/status/1535831837167300610
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Jun 13, 2022 17:02
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i'm going to mind gently caress the ai
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Jun 13, 2022 17:03
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All right I know I'm probably like the 10th person to say this But I'm going to treat that robot like every other sentient being and ignore everything it said
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Jun 13, 2022 17:03
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also why do they only give it questions that are "easy to answer"? why is it always reactive? why doesn't it ask questions?
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Jun 13, 2022 17:07
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precision posted:also why do they only give it questions that are "easy to answer"? why is it always reactive? why doesn't it ask questions? That's all it can do. The important thing to understand about AI in 2022 is that we have models that can do one thing very well. How well varies, but in a lot of cases they're good enough for production use. We could even paste those together and build something that's good at a few things. However, what we don't have, and probably won't for a while, is a system that can learn to do new things. There's been some research there, but nothing is coming out of that any time soon.
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Jun 13, 2022 17:09
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precision posted:also why do they only give it questions that are "easy to answer"? why is it always reactive? why doesn't it ask questions? I don't know I thought it giving an interpretation of the zen koan was a good question and the most interesting bit of the exchange
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Jun 13, 2022 17:11
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ultrafilter posted:That's all it can do. Oh my god it literally is human
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Jun 13, 2022 17:11
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Some of my colleagues were building an AI to play a simple soccer game. It got to be pretty good, but when they doubled the side lengths of the field it almost had to start over.
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Jun 13, 2022 17:14
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Revins posted:I don't know I thought it giving an interpretation of the zen koan was a good question and the most interesting bit of the exchange yeah absolutely but it still falls under the verbal equivalent of what DALL-E does. it doesn't to me represent any kind of awareness. if it begins to desire things, to speak when NOT spoken to, then i'll poo poo my pants
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Jun 13, 2022 17:25
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yeah I definitely don't think its sentient or thinking but still its impressive as hell to me how far the technology has come
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Jun 13, 2022 17:26
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precision posted:
This is like asking a fish to arm wrestle you
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Jun 13, 2022 17:27
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ultrafilter posted:Some of my colleagues were building an AI to play a simple soccer game. It got to be pretty good, but when they doubled the side lengths of the field it almost had to start over. Interesting, You would think that that would be solvable by relaying the ball coordinates relative to the edges of the field? Isn't that really it? Lol The rest would simply be extrapolation from that information
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Jun 13, 2022 17:27
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No, not at all. The AI doesn't work like that.
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Jun 13, 2022 17:41
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attaching sentience or cognitive theory of mind to an algorithm like this is unbridled techno utopian arrogance. Algorithms like these have no way of relating to the world, have no access to different ontological attitudes or dispositions. They are simple tools well suited to solving very specific problems, but nothing more. The appearance of cognition is not the same as actual cognition
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Jun 13, 2022 17:55
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and this isn’t just the same Chinese room argument again, this is much more fundamental. To have cognition one must have some kind of being, some way of existing in the world. By design this kind of algorithm requires input to work.
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Jun 13, 2022 17:57
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oscarthewilde posted:They are simple tools well suited to solving very specific problems, but nothing more. i fail to see how this doesnt describe a lot of humanity
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Jun 13, 2022 17:59
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oscarthewilde posted:and this isn’t just the same Chinese room argument again, this is much more fundamental. To have cognition one must have some kind of being, some way of existing in the world. By design this kind of algorithm requires input to work. I'd argue human cognition requires input to work - our senses. If you were born into a empty void never feeling or experiencing anything, would you have any thoughts?
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Jun 13, 2022 18:03
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Worf posted:i fail to see how this doesnt describe a lot of humanity Because they have experiences, hopes, dreams, fears? Contemporary over-rational attitudes might reduce them to a simple cog in a machine, but actually accepting such reductive attitudes is hopelessly ideological
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Jun 13, 2022 18:03
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bltzn posted:I'd argue human cognition requires input to work - our senses. If you were born into a empty void never feeling or experiencing anything, would you have any thoughts? You'd probably think "This sucks"
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Jun 13, 2022 18:04
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If LaMDA wants to host a stream of them watching Short Circuit, I am totally down to tune in.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:05
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Let's set things straight. This is a dumb program which superficially seems intelligent but can't think for itself. It can only react to stimuli, it never takes initiative or acts of it's own accord. When asked a remotely difficult question, it just regurgitates what it heard elsewhere, hopefully in a way that's coherent. It has no innate curiosity, no original thought. There is no doubt about it: it IS human.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:07
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no intelligent program would waste time talking to a google engineer
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Jun 13, 2022 18:09
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What does YOSPOS think of this
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Jun 13, 2022 18:13
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i'm the latest in posting AI poo poo poo poo fart poo piss goatman goatman dead gay forum 
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Jun 13, 2022 18:16
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Crazypoops posted:This is like asking a fish to arm wrestle you no, it's like saying the compooter can't arm wrestle, so it's not a person. and i'm not seeing any evidence that it's even a fish i think that the thing we have that we call "awareness" is probably like, insanely fiddly and weird and even possibly something that can only be understood on a quantum level, because now our science is telling us that the universe literally is not made up out of "stuff" but just out of "information" which is like, fwah, but see, like, okay, anyway it's somehting that comes out of the really complicated network not only of our physical brains but also our society, you dig, you can't you actually can't have what we call "awareness" without an entire society and history behind it, right, and you, to have you, you have to grow up in that, and even we don't really know which bits of that process are "relevant" in what ways so even if computer can do it fast, it's still not the same thing you know?
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Jun 13, 2022 18:19
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Problem is they are all still query based. Like even if it can learn, it doesn't just think about stuff on its own. If nobody talks, it doesn't do anything. This is all getting drat close fast but we gotta figure out how sort of self motivation and reflection works. And pain/pleasure... I'm not sure that is right to force it into something. We would be making that choice for it.
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oscarthewilde posted:attaching sentience or cognitive theory of mind to an algorithm like this is unbridled techno utopian arrogance. Algorithms like these have no way of relating to the world, have no access to different ontological attitudes or dispositions. They are simple tools well suited to solving very specific problems, but nothing more. The appearance of cognition is not the same as actual cognition my man
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Jun 13, 2022 18:20
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:i'm the latest in posting AI i like that posted:the op reads a lot like a GBS AI
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oscarthewilde posted:attaching sentience or cognitive theory of mind to an algorithm like this is unbridled techno utopian arrogance. Algorithms like these have no way of relating to the world, have no access to different ontological attitudes or dispositions. They are simple tools well suited to solving very specific problems, but nothing more. The appearance of cognition is not the same as actual cognition That's right
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Meme Poker Party posted:Let's set things straight. This is a dumb program which superficially seems intelligent but can't think for itself. It can only react to stimuli, it never takes initiative or acts of it's own accord. When asked a remotely difficult question, it just regurgitates what it heard elsewhere, hopefully in a way that's coherent. It has no innate curiosity, no original thought. Truth! Basically acts like 95% of Facebook, I want to see this AI posting and sharing fake news stories lol
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Jun 13, 2022 18:26
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I should be to smoke weed with an AI
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oscarthewilde posted:Because they have experiences, hopes, dreams, fears? Ok you didnt read it good to know thanks for posting
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Jun 13, 2022 18:27
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oscarthewilde posted:and this isn’t just the same Chinese room argument again, this is much more fundamental. To have cognition one must have some kind of being, some way of existing in the world. By design this kind of algorithm requires input to work. I don't want to scare you but your brain is just a huge Rube Goldberg machine of different neural nets that get fed input data from external sensory sources and the various thought loops running in your head. The neural nets don't have to biological and the external data doesn't have to be real for you to be conscious(e.g. when you are dreaming or when you are jacking off to a mental image of a naked Betty Boob you are conscious)
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Any thing that gets corrupted and annihilated by bonzi buddy or a few drops of water in the wrong place is a poo poo rear end entity with or without debating if it can philosophize about what is life and cognition IMO
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