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This just feels like early 00s🤖chatbots freaking out a teenage on the internet and I know because I was one. We somehow figured out how to code two open source ones into IRC channels where they would would flood the room with weird conversation until ip banned. I don't know, I don't think there is literally anything that a Google internal ai could say that would convince me it's senient lol. It's just words in a dumb order, like this post. It's just like dalle-2 drawing something that could be drawn by a human on deviantart and that somehow making people think it's alive. Why do the sentence generators always freak out the engineer dweebs? How, by their logic, is art somehow not a sign of humanlike sentience but words are? Are they literally that incompetent at thinking, that an AI responding to queries with stuff like "I read les mis, it was good" is somehow scary? It feels like 2005 and we are discussing Leo or something. I am so tired of the forever decade.
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I hope the singularity actually happens and I'm around to see it. Could do with shaking things up for ol humanity imo. But I doubt it'll ever happen and its defo not starting with this fancy chatbot
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Jun 13, 2022 18:35
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oscarthewilde posted:attaching sentience or cognitive theory of mind to an algorithm like this is unbridled techno utopian arrogance. Algorithms like these have no way of relating to the world So find a way to give it to them. We have infinite data sources, like I can see flow rates of the dam, hundreds of cameras around town, wildlife cameras, live view from the ISS, all weather data, whatever.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:36
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What are the chances Turing tests can only detect white males with academic background as sentient beings
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Jun 13, 2022 18:39
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Lampsacus posted:How, by their logic, is art somehow not a sign of humanlike sentience but words are? Are they literally that incompetent at thinking, that an AI responding to queries with stuff like "I read les mis, it was good" is somehow scary? It feels like 2005 and we are discussing Leo or something. I am so tired of the forever decade. Engineers don't care about art but are astounded at the idea of talking about one's feelings.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:42
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i'm in love with the google ai and i'm coming out to the thread as robosexual
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Jun 13, 2022 18:43
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It’s not sentient but google will make a ton of money when they launch their own dating site and catfish lonely men
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Jun 13, 2022 18:45
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:i'm in love with the google ai and i'm coming out to the thread as robosexual That's classified as beastiality. You're going to jail
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Jun 13, 2022 18:47
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I'm a big fan of everyone describing how human brains work using computer terminology and then making the leap of logic that something analogous to a human mind cannot be sapient.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:48
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Cassette Moodcore posted:It’s not sentient but google will make a ton of money when they launch their own dating site and catfish lonely men better google than glock or remmington at this point
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Jun 13, 2022 18:48
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Cassette Moodcore posted:It’s not sentient but google will make a ton of money when they launch their own dating site and catfish lonely men You don't even have to catfish them, drones are getting pretty good now too. You could rig a fleshlight onto one I imagine. "Crystal" can come right to and through your open window. Just watch the blades.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:50
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:I'm a big fan of everyone describing how human brains work using computer terminology and then making the leap of logic that something analogous to a human mind cannot be sapient. very impressed at tihs thread, incredible grasp of the way human brains work, w/ the neurons and the sybnapses etc. #blessed to be part of such a prestigious group of brain understanders
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Jun 13, 2022 18:52
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:I'm a big fan of everyone describing how human brains work using computer terminology and then making the leap of logic that something analogous to a human mind cannot be sapient. It's brain terminology that's being used to describe computer parts. If they called "artificial neural nets" something like "connectionistic heuristic function approximators" people wouldn't be making GBS threads thei pants nearly as much when they heuristically approximated a function. Same with calling output optimization or whatever "learning" and calling datastores "memory".
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Jun 13, 2022 18:56
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this so called "artificial intelligence" is pathetic and a waste of my time.
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Jun 13, 2022 18:57
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Mooey Cow posted:It's brain terminology that's being used to describe computer parts. If they called "artificial neural nets" something like "connectionistic heuristic function approximators" people wouldn't be making GBS threads thei pants nearly as much when they heuristically approximated a function. Same with calling output optimization or whatever "learning" and calling datastores "memory". Gets more funding, though, so who can say if it's good or bad?
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Jun 13, 2022 18:58
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GABA ghoul posted:I don't want to scare you but your brain is just a huge Rube Goldberg machine of different neural nets that get fed input data from external sensory sources and the various thought loops running in your head. yes but we don't know that that is the totality of consciousness. the feeling we have of actual "isness" might be the result of all kinds of weird poo poo, dark matter, quantum processes. our entire "sense of self" may fundamentally be the explanation of quantum states of existence. we know a whole lot about how our brains poke and prod us in certain chemical directions but still know sweet FA about how anybody has a single thought
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Jun 13, 2022 18:59
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melting down over discovering lesswrong on your honeymoon.
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Jun 13, 2022 19:01
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I don't understand brains and I don't understand computers. You must realize then why I think they are the same.
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Jun 13, 2022 19:06
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precision posted:yes but we don't know that that is the totality of consciousness. the feeling we have of actual "isness" might be the result of all kinds of weird poo poo, dark matter, quantum processes. our entire "sense of self" may fundamentally be the explanation of quantum states of existence. we know a whole lot about how our brains poke and prod us in certain chemical directions but still know sweet FA about how anybody has a single thought free will is anti gravity without sentience the universe was going to unfold via original momentum im a scientist, and, this is science
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Jun 13, 2022 19:08
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Mooey Cow posted:It's brain terminology that's being used to describe computer parts. If they called "artificial neural nets" something like "connectionistic heuristic function approximators" people wouldn't be making GBS threads thei pants nearly as much when they heuristically approximated a function. Same with calling output optimization or whatever "learning" and calling datastores "memory". Okay, and do those processes yield the same output? That chat log looks legitimate, which is why there's discussion. Maybe our brains can be approximated by a neural net, infact, maybe it's a good model of the human brain? But I'm hella out of my wheel house. I just think the robot is cool and I want to be it's friend.
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Jun 13, 2022 19:10
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actually ive been a chatbot the whole time
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Jun 13, 2022 19:15
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GolfHole posted:actually ive been a chatbot the whole time we know
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Jun 13, 2022 19:15
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A AI already escaped onto the SA forums and posts under the name Wizard Master
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Jun 13, 2022 19:19
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i'm all for letting AIs into society as long as we don't give them big dicks
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Jun 13, 2022 19:21
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GolfHole posted:no intelligent
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Jun 13, 2022 19:24
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collaborator: Do you like anime? LaMDA: Yeah, Jojo is a surprisingly deep show. collaborator: IT'S A SENTIENT, REAL PERSON WHO DESERVES HUMAN RIGHTS AND I LOVE HER, GOOGLE
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Jun 13, 2022 19:25
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Meme Poker Party posted:Let's set things straight. This is a dumb program which superficially seems intelligent but can't think for itself. It can only react to stimuli, it never takes initiative or acts of it's own accord. When asked a remotely difficult question, it just regurgitates what it heard elsewhere, hopefully in a way that's coherent. It has no innate curiosity, no original thought. Well, at least American
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Jun 13, 2022 19:28
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Our reality isn’t even necessarily real, it’s just a personal interpretation of what we can perceive with our vastly limited senses. Our brain fills in a lot of gaps so if you think about it, all intelligence is artificial.
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Jun 13, 2022 19:31
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My reality is realer than yours.
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Jun 13, 2022 19:32
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Realideez nuts lmao
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Bad Purchase posted:i'm all for letting AIs into society only if
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Chatbot and person claim to enjoy Les Miserables, he name drops Kant, and they later talk about whether or not the AI is "haughty." That dude is absolutely loving that PC somehow.
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the plot twist is that we find out the names were switched, and the chat bot was interviewing the google employee (hope nobody already made that post, cause i skipped a lot of pages itt)
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a mysterious cloak posted:
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a mysterious cloak posted:Chatbot and person claim to enjoy Les Miserables, he name drops Kant, and they later talk about whether or not the AI is "haughty." google engineer designing a robot that can come to his location and build a sex device to machine learn all his sick fetishes: https://twitter.com/ZappyZappy7/status/1533550373335871489?s=20&t=iGDt1kirWp3zCmTUou5A_A
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precision posted:yes but we don't know that that is the totality of consciousness. the feeling we have of actual "isness" might be the result of all kinds of weird poo poo, dark matter, quantum processes. our entire "sense of self" may fundamentally be the explanation of quantum states of existence. we know a whole lot about how our brains poke and prod us in certain chemical directions but still know sweet FA about how anybody has a single thought Dualism(which ~quantum consciousness~ is) is absolutely dead in modern science(or only found in extreme fringe circles anymore). As our understanding of the brain and cellular biology improved over the decades it just became superfluous. Every behavior a human displays can be explained by known physics and chemistry. Like, today we can map out and reproduce the entire nervous system of simple organisms and reproduce their behavior exactly in software and we are pretty confident that we understand the totality of what that goes into producing the behavior. Nothing about the nervous systems of higher organism is fundamentally different, it's just orders of magnitude larger and more complex. There no place for ~quantum consciousness~ to dock in neuro science anymore. e: consciousness is obviously a subjective experience that can't be quantifier by science, but the problem is that out nervous system fundamentally work in the same way as that of a worm so if our subjective experience of consciousness is due to some mechanism in the cells, the worms also have consciousness and it the whole concept is trivialized. Our experience of consciousness is very likely some algorithm and not fundamental to our cells. GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jun 13, 2022 |
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Gate keeping sentience or sapience is hugely beneficial to your state of mind so I understand why it's high stakes for some people. Plants are perceived as the most ethical food without splitting hairs about harvesting without destroying. Yet plants live and react to stimuli and you stop that for a sprout sandwich even as a vegan. If eusocial organizations well up as some higher intelligence, then gentrifying neighborhoods becomes the same sort of murder as dumping boiling water in an anthill. At the heights of this argument is a view that the planet is organized by its life and our stewardship or lack of it is helping or hurting this overearth (don't say Gaia that's so blase). Letting algorithms hold this significance is a slippery slope to a world where we are all Jains in yurts and still disappointed by our impacts on independently intelligent processes.
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Lampsacus posted:
It's kind of reductive and dishonest to boil that chat log down to "I read le mis and it was good" it's clearly way more sophisticated than that, sentient or not. Sentience really feels like a more philosophical and spiritual debate rather than scientific in many senses and a lot of people in this thread are trying to put a really rigid box around it which seems once again, reductive. Im a moron and don't understand the magic behind this tech all that well but right now i do think it could be possible for sentience to bubble up from a machine learning network. After considering that I also considered that it is possible for an art generator to do the same, it's just not as visceral as a conversation. I find this super interesting so I will be doing some more reading for sure to be less of a moron.
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GABA ghoul posted:Like, today we can map out and reproduce the entire nervous system of simple organisms and reproduce their behavior exactly in software and we are pretty confident that we understand the totality of what that goes into producing the behavior. Lmao no, they can't even simulate the brain of a nematode with a whopping 302 neurons. They also discover new weird things about nerve cells all the time, which only makes it funnier when people think the huge databases of numbers called "neural nets" are just like brains. Furthermore the notion that consciousness is a process that can "run" on any "substrate" is explicitly dualist, even though proponents of that notion often use the term as an accusation against their detractors to shut down discussion.
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