|
zoux posted:I hope you like pain. We're all Star Wars fans here
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 22:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:47 |
|
|
galenanorth posted:I suspect that they're going to make her switch sides, and because of that they didn't want to show her doing anything too evil like Vader dragging villagers by the neck while force choking them, because if she returns as an ally in the second season they're worried in the long-run it implies an endorsement of that behavior Jason Statham murdered Han and no one gave a poo poo later on.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 22:30
|
|
|
Man I don’t even remember that. TFA was truly dire
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 22:34
|
|
|
TheBigBudgetSequel posted:The Throne Room fight in TLJ owns, y'all are boring. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 22:40
|
|
|
It's kind of silly to realistically analyze fight scene choreography in movies. Of course the mooks are standing around waiting for their turn to fight the heroes, it's a movie! That's their job! The emotional stakes of the throne room scene make it work. To pick another example, when Luke goes berserk after Vader threatens to turn Leia evil in RotJ, his saberplay isn't "tactically sound" or whatever, he's wailing on Vader like he's got a baseball bat. He's angry as hell and that's what the scene is about.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 23:03
|
|
|
The most important criterion for any fictional show is absolute fidelity to reality, that is to say, that all characters make the same decisions that I would in their place
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2022 23:04
|
|
|
Rochallor posted:It's kind of silly to realistically analyze fight scene choreography in movies. Of course the mooks are standing around waiting for their turn to fight the heroes, it's a movie! That's their job! The emotional stakes of the throne room scene make it work.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 00:19
|
|
|
Rochallor posted:To pick another example, when Luke goes berserk after Vader threatens to turn Leia evil in RotJ, his saberplay isn't "tactically sound" or whatever, he's wailing on Vader like he's got a baseball bat. He's angry as hell and that's what the scene is about. Given how much technical proficiency Luke has with a sword, I'm surprised his default isn't "swing like club."
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 00:30
|
|
|
Farm Frenzy posted:If I was the filmmaker I would simply avoid this problem by not pointing the camera at the guys in the background while they bumble around. Come on. It’s a small indie studio on a pretty limited budget.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 00:40
|
|
|
Rochallor posted:It's kind of silly to realistically analyze fight scene choreography in movies. Of course the mooks are standing around waiting for their turn to fight the heroes, it's a movie! That's their job! The emotional stakes of the throne room scene make it work.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 00:52
|
|
|
Nodoze posted:I know the original intention of the clip was to point out how much better it's shot, and it is. But it also highlights one of my beefs with Mando in that EVERYONE only aims for where his armor is every time. The whole lightsaber twirling and much of are visual representations of how their fighting styles mirror eachother given that Obi-Wan trained Anakin. It's fine.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 01:52
|
|
|
Noam Chomsky posted:The whole lightsaber twirling and much of are visual representations of how their fighting styles mirror eachother given that Obi-Wan trained Anakin. It's fine. It just looks dumb as hell when looped together in never-ending gif format. Again, you can blame RedLetterMedia for that. the prequels still suck assssssss
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 01:54
|
|
|
nine-gear crow posted:the prequels still suck assssssss 
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 02:07
|
|
|
The shot with the speeder and Reva made me think of a puppet show, like the puppeteer holding a speeder model at the upper corner of the little stage. Doesn't matter that the model proportions and perspective relative to the puppet are all off because it's just to loosely depict what happened. Overall I get the sense that this show is roughly storyboarded, or lifted from a comic book, without any of the connective tissue thought out. Like if I saw a few static images of the base attack I wouldn't need any explanation of how Obi Wan et al really got away because a few key shots of speeders firing and the heroes opening fire and Reva being distracted are all I need for me to fill in the blanks in my imagination but on screen it just doesn't strike me that they figured out how all of it actually happened. Or how to time it right. Everyone there on the Empire's side has to be comically bad at everything for things to work. The plot armour for our heroes is so thick I don't think a lightsaber could go through it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 02:22
|
|
|
I realize this is damning with faint praise, but: the prequels are bad, but for better or worse, they are clearly the product of one person's artistic sensibility and vision. They're George Lucas-y to a fault. So they're inherently more memorable and distinct than the sequel trilogy, because George Lucas is a brilliant god drat weirdo with only the remotest understanding of how other human beings function, and with the prequels he didn't have to compromise with anyone on anything.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 02:41
|
|
|
Hazo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL83p4GxAvw&t=253s These guys did a job for a right wing coffee company. They have no business being. They can choke on my lightsaber
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 05:49
|
|
|
Everyone posted:Not the only thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RshUWUPgo8k&t=43s
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 05:49
|
|
|
nine-gear crow posted:It just looks dumb as hell when looped together in never-ending gif format. Again, you can blame RedLetterMedia for that. I'm not really into action scenes, and I'm not an expert in what makes a good one, but I really enjoyed the duel on Mustafar. The emotional weight behind it and its grueling length are really effective at communicating the feeling and meaning of what's going on. Having a moment where they just swing past each other, reading each other too well to either parry or strike, definitely adds to that whole atmosphere. It's cool.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:03
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/StarWars_Direct/status/1536156372349460482?t=cPnKP7lgUkvgBEFODtNkYw&s=19 Already booked my tickets.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:19
|
|
|
Imagined posted:I realize this is damning with faint praise, but: the prequels are bad, but for better or worse, they are clearly the product of one person's artistic sensibility and vision. They're George Lucas-y to a fault. So they're inherently more memorable and distinct than the sequel trilogy, because George Lucas is a brilliant god drat weirdo with only the remotest understanding of how other human beings function, and with the prequels he didn't have to compromise with anyone on anything. The biggest failure of the prequels is on the actual filmmaking level. The dialogue isn't great, but there's plenty of great movies that have awkward dialogue, and if you remove the incredibly awkward Anakin/Padme scenes it brings the average way up. Pretty much any scene with Palpatine or Dooku is great, and there's the lovely opera scene in RotS (allegedly written by Tom Stoppard, natch). And there's some lovely themes running throughout the trilogy. But my god has the CGI in those movies aged poorly. TPM looks alright, but the latter two practically look like the Clone Wars cartoon! Some of the compositing is downright comedic.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:21
|
|
|
Likely because as I understand it, TPM was the only prequel film that wasn’t shot almost entirely against a green screen
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:28
|
|
|
What kind of reception would the prequels get if Disney updated the cgi?
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:28
|
|
|
ruddiger posted:What kind of reception would the prequels get if Disney updated the cgi? As bad as some of it looks (especially the clones, my god), I think the issues with the prequels are deeper than that. The issues with the CGI are a byproduct of a lazy production that was shooting first or second drafts and as Larryb said, using greenscreens for practically everything so Lucas could change his mind about what a scene should look like all the way up until release day. It's harped on in the RLM reviews too, but the documentary for Episode I has a scene where the crew sit down and realize the ending of the movie doesn't work, but then they just keep it that way. That documentary is wild, by the way, and you should all watch it if you haven't. You'll realize immediately why people thought Jar Jar would be cool and why everybody ended up hating him.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:38
|
|
|
I never hated jar jar
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 06:43
|
|
|
Larryb posted:Likely because as I understand it, TPM was the only prequel film that wasn’t shot almost entirely against a green screen The Naboo scenes in AotC use a lot of location work. Some of Tatooine is as well I think. Basically none of RotS is outside of a few reference shots for compositing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:03
|
|
|
Everyone posted:The Inquisitors, like Vader, are pretty clearly outside the normal Imperial chain of command. It's not like there's a rank chart in the Imperial Navy that reads Vice Admiral < Admiral < Sith Lord < Grand Admiral. The Inquisitors have authority. They can kill/torture/imprison pretty much anyone they want as long as they can even less-than-credibly cite "hunting Jedi" as an excuse. But that authority is likely ad hoc and provisional. The Inquisitors seems to be something Vader put together with Palpatine's permission (or at his request) to help hunt Jedi, but it's not like there's a Ministry of Inquisition in the actual government. they're political police, just like the jedi were in the prequels
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:04
|
|
|
exmarx posted:they're political police, just like the jedi were in the prequels der kommissar's in town, wah-ohhh
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:12
|
|
|
I don't care about Jar Jar, and after learning about how much Ahmed Best put into the role and what it cost him, I realize how hosed up the prequel rage really got.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:23
|
|
|
MarcusSA posted:https://twitter.com/StarWars_Direct/status/1536156372349460482?t=cPnKP7lgUkvgBEFODtNkYw&s=19 I hear it's a double feature with Morbius.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:55
|
|
|
Larryb posted:Likely because as I understand it, TPM was the only prequel film that wasn’t shot almost entirely against a green screen Lucas filmed AOTC digitally instead of with 35mm film, but while it did provide a crisper image, it unintentionally made the green screen and 2002 era CGI characters stand out even more. It's why so much of the movie feels like you're watching a video game. ROTS was also shot digitally, but they must've learned how to implement CGI better since it generally looks a lot less terrible.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:55
|
|
|
Megillah Gorilla posted:I hear it's a double feature with Morbius. Hey, maybe this time Morbius will actually make some money then 
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 07:58
|
|
|
Rochallor posted:The biggest failure of the prequels is on the actual filmmaking level. The dialogue isn't great, but there's plenty of great movies that have awkward dialogue, and if you remove the incredibly awkward Anakin/Padme scenes it brings the average way up. Pretty much any scene with Palpatine or Dooku is great, and there's the lovely opera scene in RotS (allegedly written by Tom Stoppard, natch). And there's some lovely themes running throughout the trilogy. Yesterday I watched the first half of Phantom Menace with my son (his first Starwars Movie.  )And yeah, the CGI has not aged well. I mean it's acceptable, but so many parts are so painfully CGI. Having just watched parts of the OT when they were on TV I can't believe some of the old puppet stuff actually holds up better than this. Except the Podracing though. That actually still looks certified amazing. But stuff like the space ships, the creatures and the invasion you just see a tiny black outline pop around the humans and the lighting change on the cgi thing whenever they share a screen. Also man, some of that dialogue is much rougher than I remember. Still, regardless of that I just can't help but enjoy it. It's just such a fun and odd adventure that for me just works. Invasion, escape, faffing about on Tatooine (where they do a whole lot of setting up mysteries and skills) for half an hour. Watching this, there's so much stuff happening that isn't people killing each other or running around. The contrast with the loud ST is just straight up amazing. The universe feels huge and alive. It's like Canto Bight or the Festival in RoTS done right. Actually have people interacting, doing stuff that isn't running around for the plot. My son loved the first part though. He found it quite funny and the Podracing tense. I can't wait to watch the climax with him. And after watching that I finally watched ep 4 of Obi Wan. Honestly, best episode so far. Tala was great. Obi Wan was great. Leia was good. Reva was acceptable for a change. The speeders were great, but too short. The mausoleum was a bit ridiculous, but this is Starwars and the stronghold of the biggest group of try hards. There's some weird cutting again. Like how Tala apparently teleports from the control room to Reva to stop her from doing thing to Leia. But nothing quite as bad as the previous few episodes. the absurdity of a laser apparently breaking the glass that was holding a literal ocean back I just wish the Lightsaber would go back to being a laser instead of a whiffle bat. You see Obiwan literally whacking a stormtrooper 3 times before he goes down.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:00
|
|
|
Just watched the first Obi-Wan episode, and wow, I have not been that disappointed by entertainment in a long time. I didn't have high expectations or anything, but the way it's playing with classic stuff in a way that pains me so, I didn't see it coming. Oof. Does the kidnapped baby Leia thing resolve within the episodes we have so far? Ideally by episode 2? I can't believe they went there, talk about unimaginative, unimaginably appalling. And I'm usually happy to see Flea too. I'm gonna pass out, oh lord. Favreau lulled me into a sense of security, and then these other jokers went and made a show. Just tell a tale from the life story of Obi-Wan, like a cool samurai on the down-low. Maybe he helps people in subtle or inspiring ways. Don't threaten every other character we already saw in the movies. Even Uncle Owen gets in danger in the first ep. I'm surprised we didn't have Luke run into The Joker himself while we're at it. I'm highly offended. I didn't even remember something could appall me so much. I just walked into this one, oh lord. This is not proper.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:16
|
|
|
Nah it’s still going. It’s very terrible but idiots like it
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:28
|
|
|
Heavy Metal posted:Does the kidnapped baby Leia thing resolve within the episodes we have so far? Ideally by episode 2? I can't believe they went there, talk about unimaginative, unimaginably appalling. And I'm usually happy to see Flea too. Do yourself a favour and stop watching
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:30
|
|
|
Rochallor posted:The biggest failure of the prequels is on the actual filmmaking level. It's an easy cliche but mostly true, that the prequels are good stories told badly and the sequels are bad stories told well.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:32
|
|
|
That DICK! posted:Nah it’s still going That is a nightmare, good to get this info in here though. Butterfly Valley posted:Do yourself a favour and stop watching Thank you. Will do. I'll be back around for Mando and Ahsoka though naturally.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:33
|
|
|
I'm really not sure how they're going to spin the whole part where a senator and his daughter are best buds with a Jedi but the Empire's cool enough with it to not try and kill them for another 9 years.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:44
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:These guys did a job for a right wing coffee company. They have no business being. They've also outright said they're obessesed with and idolize/glorify military culture before, lmao. They're a bunch of chodes imo. Buncha COD brains.
|
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 09:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:47 |
|
|
teagone posted:They've also outright said they're obessesed with and idolize/glorify military culture before, lmao. They're a bunch of chodes imo. Buncha COD brains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGeVqtG7k9g Assepoester fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 14, 2022 |
|
#
?
Jun 14, 2022 10:24
|
|
