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MikeJF posted:Which is still a pretty contrived excuse for them to just straight-up abandon a drive that would have given them the universe instead of just perma-classifying Discovery's ultimate fate but not the drive itself. I think like Genesis, it falls into the category of "this is so dangerous we should never touch it again because we were a hair's breadth away from armageddon".
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If the network breaking was fixed, I can't believe stamets being lost would cause the Fed to abandon the most powerful method of travel. Surely he made documentation? Or pull together the hundreds of people who built the ship at whatever shipyards. Stamets didn't build Discovery all by himself. Given enough time they could have made an emh water bear to plug into, or just make more people hybrids. I guess yeah, don't think too hard about it but I have no idea why the script called for the drive to exist in the first place, unless they go to some distant part of the universe, which would be far more useful than ferrying dilithium to random places in the alpha quadrant or whatever they've been having it do. Rynder fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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Rynder posted:If the network breaking was fixed, I can't believe stamets being lost would cause the Fed to abandon the most powerful method of travel. Surely he made documentation? Or pull together the hundreds of people who built the ship at whatever shipyards. Stamets didn't build Discovery all by himself. Given enough time they could have made an emh water bear to plug into, or just make more people hybrids. In late season 1 they were actively equipping more ships with Spore Drive as a result of Discovery's success, in anticipation of cracking the navigation\genetics issue. They had more than enough information to continue the program. V-Men posted:I think like Genesis, it falls into the category of "this is so dangerous we should never touch it again because we were a hair's breadth away from armageddon". But they weren't? At least not due in any way to the drive.
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Genesis never worked because Kirk's son cheated at the math. Spore drive worked and caused collateral damage to some other dimension or whatever but you'd think getting assimilated by the Borg or losing a war to the Dominion would cause ~~~~SECTION 31~~~~ to pull out all of the stops. Also always laffin how Section 31 had nothing to do with the Borg, Sloan was probably like "drat Borg don't have beds for me to dramatically sit next to when they wake up and turn on their nightstand light!"
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jeeves posted:Spore drive worked and caused collateral damage to some other dimension or whatever Except it turned out it didn't and that was something else causing it and it was all fine anyway so even that reason is gone.
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Well what happened was is that the mushroom FTL drive was loving stupid
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FTL travel is always stupid, it's a stupid thing to do that requires infinite energy. Whatever dumb trick a scifi uses to give themselves FTL without the FTL of it all, is loving stupid. the warp drive is loving dumb, the spore drive is loving dumb, but at least spores and space mycelial networks are cool and organic and not just "magic crystals did it"
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Honestly just admit Discovery isn't canon
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Arglebargle III posted:Honestly just admit Discovery, Enterprise, TOS, Picard aren't canon
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Khanstant posted:FTL travel is always stupid, it's a stupid thing to do that requires infinite energy. Whatever dumb trick a scifi uses to give themselves FTL without the FTL of it all, is loving stupid. the warp drive is loving dumb, the spore drive is loving dumb, but at least spores and space mycelial networks are cool and organic and not just "magic crystals did it" Inventing the technology for instantaneous travel, in the mid 23rd century, would be such a massive paradigm shift, such an advantage in terms of military, exploration, and diplomacy, that it beggars the mind to think that the Federation would not only drop the tech - for no reason - but scrub all knowledge and mentions of it from every Federation record. If even a single Starfleet officer knew about this technology, they would bring it back. This is a technology that surpasses every thing we've seen in ST, it's better than Borg transwarp. And it's fungus based.
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Khanstant posted:FTL travel is always stupid, it's a stupid thing to do that requires infinite energy. actually it's cool as hell
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so cool look at me go everything i care about is old and dead now and i can't even nuke these new future jerks because they're way more advanced than me and the idiots in this bucket
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the most twisted gently caress the einstein ever pulled was dumping relativity on us
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Agree. Tas is obviously the only truly cannon series. LD gets partial credit for giant Spock.
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Khanstant posted:so cool look at me go everything i care about is old and dead now and i can't even nuke these new future jerks because they're way more advanced than me and the idiots in this bucket just fold space and punch a hole in it, what are you, some kind of scrub type-2 civilisation????
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It seems like warp bubbles probably would residually gently caress up space time like FTL does in Three Body Problem, the space environmentalists in that one TNG episode were probably right
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No Dignity posted:It seems like warp bubbles probably would residually gently caress up space time like FTL does in Three Body Problem, the space environmentalists in that one TNG episode were probably right I couldn't get through that one, what is the FTL issue in 3 Body Problem (when I checked out they were still very much limited by the c speed limit)
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dr_rat posted:Agree. Tas is obviously the only truly cannon series. as disinterested as i am in trying get through all of TOS, the voyager threshold TASification really makes me want to check TAS out, seems like a good vibe.
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In the current best understanding of the alcubierre metric, all of the photons that hit the warb bubble over the course of your journey would remain trapped in the front layer of the bubble and when you dissipated it would all be released at once in a massive burst of ultra high energy gamma rays, sterilizing both the ship and probably the destination solar system. (Although if I recall we don't really know how you'd dissipate one yet anyway. Stopping is a problem.)
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zoux posted:I couldn't get through that one, what is the FTL issue in 3 Body Problem (when I checked out they were still very much limited by the c speed limit) Whoops, I meant to say lightspeed travel! Same difference though, traveling at lightspeed warps space time and lowers the maximum speed of light along its path (although this ends up being good because of Reasons)
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Khanstant posted:FTL travel is always stupid, it's a stupid thing to do that requires infinite energy. Whatever dumb trick a scifi uses to give themselves FTL without the FTL of it all, is loving stupid. the warp drive is loving dumb, the spore drive is loving dumb, but at least spores and space mycelial networks are cool and organic and not just "magic crystals did it" Hey now, the magic crystals run the power generator not the space warp drive, get it right.
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that's problems for the dorks in engineering to know about, not me.
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starfleet really needs to add a branch to their deal for artists. realizing now how few places in federation ships are painted or have art. nobody hangs up signs, there's no community board with tearaway print-offs, no band concert posters designed by one of their friends. people don't have funny doodles or cool artwork posted at their work stations. even in their bedrooms seems rare for anyone to have art and when they do it's some random piece of junk from goodwill they call a blinglbongian artifact. some days the only art or graphic design a lot of folks ever see walking around the ship is just the computer consoles themselves. The federation isn't an ad-supported hellscape like us so I think that would also free up an immense amount of talent previously dedicated to dark purposes, now able to work on endless personal or collaborative masterworks. every hallway not related to critical infrastructure should be painted floor to wall to ceiling with incredible artwork that makes the sistine chapel look clumsy.
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Do you know how much work art in the halls would be for the continuity supervisor? UGH
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yeah, I think that's just a consequence of having to repeatedly dress and re-dress four sets to represent an entire starship
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Khanstant posted:starfleet really needs to add a branch to their deal for artists. realizing now how few places in federation ships are painted or have art. nobody hangs up signs, there's no community board with tearaway print-offs, no band concert posters designed by one of their friends. people don't have funny doodles or cool artwork posted at their work stations. even in their bedrooms seems rare for anyone to have art and when they do it's some random piece of junk from goodwill they call a blinglbongian artifact. 
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zoux posted:Inventing the technology for instantaneous travel, in the mid 23rd century, would be such a massive paradigm shift, such an advantage in terms of military, exploration, and diplomacy, that it beggars the mind to think that the Federation would not only drop the tech - for no reason - but scrub all knowledge and mentions of it from every Federation record. If even a single Starfleet officer knew about this technology, they would bring it back. This is a technology that surpasses every thing we've seen in ST, it's better than Borg transwarp. And it's fungus based. No no don't you see, it's "loving cool" fellow youths
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It's almost as if the writers of Discovery weren't concerned of the implications to the larger franchise.
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It's almost as if the writers for discovery had such high turnover during pre production that nobody knew what the gently caress they were supposed to make
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MikeJF posted:In the current best understanding of the alcubierre metric, all of the photons that hit the warb bubble over the course of your journey would remain trapped in the front layer of the bubble and when you dissipated it would all be released at once in a massive burst of ultra high energy gamma rays, sterilizing both the ship and probably the destination solar system. There was a Netflix Show starring BSGs starbuck, Second Life, that used the built up energy as an unintentional doomsday weapon, and I appreciated that. The rest of the show is garbage though don't watch it.
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It's not only fungus based, it's water bear nipple torture based
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jeeves posted:Also always laffin how Section 31 had nothing to do with the Borg, Sloan was probably like "drat Borg don't have beds for me to dramatically sit next to when they wake up and turn on their nightstand light!" I could somewhat see this, S31 and threats to the federation usually involved structured political powers they could manipulate and undermine. I could believe they were working in the background to upload various viruses - maybe even deploying that logic bomb LaForge made, but the Borg kept adapting. A super secret spy agency wouldn't be too helpful fighting endless swarms of bees Rynder fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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CLAM DOWN posted:It's not only fungus based, it's water bear nipple torture based This Federation was founded on nipple torture Sir!
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MikeJF posted:Do you know how much work art in the halls would be for the continuity supervisor? UGH good, it's high time these deceivers stop trying to trick us by shooting the same hallways and rooms over and over while pretending they're new contiguous spaces. if i wanted to play pretend and use my imagination, I'd go sit in the timeout corner.
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Khanstant posted:good, it's high time these deceivers stop trying to trick us by shooting the same hallways and rooms over and over while pretending they're new contiguous spaces. if i wanted to play pretend and use my imagination, I'd go sit in the timeout corner. The best reuse was the "aerobics studio," where they used the corridor junction, put a mirror up to block off a T, and had Crusher and Troi in leotards stretching with each other to distract we horny males from noticing the cheap set trick.
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Admiralty Flag posted:The best reuse was the "aerobics studio," where they used the corridor junction, put a mirror up to block off a T, and had Crusher and Troi in leotards stretching with each other to distract we horny males from noticing the cheap set trick. SNW is great for playing “spot the AR set”. Hmm…this fantastical, cavernous location has only a semi-circle shaped walking area. (Not knocking it - it looks great)
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Yeah, it's the modern equivalent of the planet sets from the original series and it rules hard.
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