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Personally, I think it would be refreshing to have the FBI issue a public warning that young men could be radicalized into loving musicals by “Joker 2.”
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I'll pass on depressing clown musical
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All I can think of when I hear that news is, "God dammit, Todd Phillips."Upsidads posted:I'll pass on depressing clown musical Also this.
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Jun 14, 2022 16:45
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It will be kind of funny to see the reaction of the people who were really into The Joker to this news. Other than that, I will probably see it if it lives up to the premise. It is destined to be either really bad or really good, but entertaining either way. Hopefully, they don't manage to somehow produce a boring, competently made, and mediocre clown musical. It should either fly too close to the sun or retrospectively seem like a genius idea.
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Jun 14, 2022 16:48
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Jun 14, 2022 16:51
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sethsez posted:I never thought it was possible to get me interested in Joker 2, but here we are. Same. I liked Joker a lot and tend to dislike musicals but if we're going with the whole "it's all in Arthur's Head" angle then sign me up for a weird song and dance thing with Lady G and a banging soundtrack.
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Jun 14, 2022 18:06
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An operetta about a sad clown? Whoever heard of such a thing?
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Jun 14, 2022 18:31
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I don’t think they’ll do “it’s all in his head” two movies in a row. It wouldn’t make sense on a narrative level. He made the outside a reflection of his inner world at the end of the first movie. Joker 2 as a musical with Lady Ga Ga (as probably Harley) is such an inspired idea.
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Jun 14, 2022 18:34
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Samovar posted:Bingo. Body stretching powers only looks OK in drawn/animated medium. Irl it looks really, really, really off. This is why I think it's very, very had to make any sort of "serious" Fantastic 4 movie that's not camp. RR's powers are just corny. And then you got the CG or rubber suited rock man. That's half the team. It sucks that the F4 are such a major hero group that they're going to keep making runs at it, because I just don't know if it's possible to do a good version. Having said that, I really really want to see a live action Galactus in all of his purple hatted glory.
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Jun 14, 2022 18:35
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sethsez posted:I never thought it was possible to get me interested in Joker 2, but here we are. I'm not sure why you're settling for one of two.
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Jun 14, 2022 18:36
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:An operetta about a sad clown? Whoever heard of such a thing? LMAO right. I think they should make a stage version with Cirque Du Soleil
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Jun 14, 2022 18:58
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The only way to do a “good” Fantastic 4 is to make them amoral at best. Which Disney won’t do.
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Jedit posted:I'm not sure why you're settling for one of two. I don't dare to dream for a repeat of Cats.
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Jun 14, 2022 19:04
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Gatts posted:LMAO right. Get Taymor to make Joker: Turn Off The Dark.
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Jun 14, 2022 19:07
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I'm not a fan of musicals, but I was having a hard time picturing how anyone could do a good follow up to Joker. Switching genres is a fantastic choice. It sounds like an elaborate troll on everyone, which for the Joker, feels just right.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Get Taymor to make Joker: Turn Off The Dark. All the cast getting injured during the production would make sense!
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Jaxyon posted:This is why I think it's very, very had to make any sort of "serious" Fantastic 4 movie that's not camp.
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Jun 14, 2022 19:49
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Timeless Appeal posted:But who cares. It’s a very cute kids show. Clearly quite a few people care even if "No!!!! Kamala Khan must be a living balloon animal!" seems a pretty odd hill to die on.
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Jun 14, 2022 19:56
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Everyone posted:Clearly quite a few people care even if "No!!!! Kamala Khan must be a living balloon animal!" seems a pretty odd hill to die on. That's not the argument being made. Kamal's powers in universe were perfect for her character and what she represented. And in a way her MCU powers are too. Because they've stripped all the nuance, subtly and attention to character out and gave you something bright and shiny and simplified to see instead.
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Stretchy powers are really bad. It’s funny even doctor strange barely used reeds power at all. That’s how lame it is lol
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CelticPredator posted:Stretchy powers are really bad. It’s funny even doctor strange barely used reeds power at all. That’s how lame it is lol
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Jun 14, 2022 20:31
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Crows Turn Off posted:Is there more to it than "arms get longer haha"? Like, is it secretly super-OP and world-ending at some sub-atomic level? Or is it really just that? it's meant to be like Plastic Man, and if you think watching Kamala Khan casually turn into a beach ball in full CGI wouldn't be horrifying, you're wrong
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Jun 14, 2022 20:33
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I’ve read the deviant art thread. I know it would be
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Crows Turn Off posted:Is there more to it than "arms get longer haha"? Like, is it secretly super-OP and world-ending at some sub-atomic level? Or is it really just that? Reed’s actual superpower is being the smartest man alive and having endless future scifi tech. His stretchiness is secondary. Now someone like Plastic Man is the super-OP variant where he’s essentially immortal even if you somehow atomize him.
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Jaxyon posted:This is why I think it's very, very had to make any sort of "serious" Fantastic 4 movie that's not camp. Thor Ragnarok has a CG Rock Man and people like him.
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There's definitely ways to make Reed's powers look interesting in live action. Leaning into the elemental subtext and making him more like water is probably a good way to go - something more like the Venom/Carnage symbiotes with a lot of serpentine movement rather than just making him extra long and bendy could help to hide the exaggerated human shapes that make his powers look silly. They could also lean into the stretch & snap aspect of things like rubber bands, so if he throws a punch it could feel more like a bullwhip strike or something.
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Jun 14, 2022 21:18
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sethsez posted:I never thought it was possible to get me interested in Joker 2, but here we are. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It will be kind of funny to see the reaction of the people who were really into The Joker to this news.  https://twitter.com/DonVincenzo88/status/1536758150279311362
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DC has a good track record with musicals though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDtFjg8_PWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMIuvZXQu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA Clearly Jonker 2, the Jonkering is going to continue this proud tradition
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Crows Turn Off posted:Is there more to it than "arms get longer haha"? Like, is it secretly super-OP and world-ending at some sub-atomic level? Or is it really just that? No. His real super power is he's explicitly the smartest being in the Marvel universe. Even his descendents are among the smartest in the universe. Kang is a great grandkid of his. They've kinda moved away from him being stretchy as a major plot point. ImpAtom posted:Thor Ragnarok has a CG Rock Man and people like him. Yeah but that presents two problems.....it's already been done, and it is explicitly played for comedy. A Fantastic Four movie will have to be given some gravity and seriousness, but they are inherently campy. Stretchy powers is fine for the Ms. Marvel show but I don't see them doing a tentpole F4 movie tonally like that.
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I don't think Taikas character's looks were played for comedy. Hes funny and stuff but I don't remember them doing stuff like, "haha rock - youre so hard"
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Robot Style posted:There's definitely ways to make Reed's powers look interesting in live action. Leaning into the elemental subtext and making him more like water is probably a good way to go I just this moment realized the FF are based on the four classical elements.
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Looks no, but the character is a sidekick and comic relief. But Ben Grimm is going to be played straight and as a main character. I think it's inherently campy, thought not as bad as Stretchy McSmartypants
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Joker 2 sequel names : Singing in the acid rain Blamma!Mia! Cats(and bats and penguins) Kinky bats Joker: dance in the park Joker and the chemical factory A star is torn a new one The princess and the freak
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I think Reed's stretchy CGI effects were the least of any of the FF movies' problems. The Incredibles proved that a movie with characters like this and a story centering around the family dynamic can absolutely work and I still think their best shot at it is to set it in 1967 or something and not worry about the MCU tie in. Same with X-Men. Just have them and the FF be their own universe and then, later, if you simply must, do some more inter dimensional bullshit for fan service. Set the X-Men in 1978 or whenever the New X-Men came out. Only other characters I might want to see in a decent FF reboot are the Silver Surfer, a decent Doom for once, Namor, Galactus and maybe Hulk just so we can get a Thing v Hulk fight, which was a pretty big deal in the original comics. Aside from some of the convoluted sci fi poo poo, the FF really aren't that complicated. They're like the first reality TV show before that was even a thing and also I think one of the first superheros to not have secret identities. Do that. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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Schwarzwald posted:I just this moment realized the FF are based on the four classical elements. Wait, is Reed water?
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BiggerBoat posted:I think Reed's stretchy CGI effects were the least of any of the FF movies' problems. The Incredibles proved that a movie with characters like this and a story centering around the family dynamic can absolutely work and I still think their best shot at it is to set it in 1967 or something and not worry about the MCU tie in. Same with X-Men. Just have them and the FF be their own universe and then, later, if you simply must, do some more inter dimensional bullshit for fan service. Set the X-Men in 1978 or whenever the New X-Men came out. Rumors have been that Namor is going to appear in Black Panther 2, but who knows whats going on with that movie. 100% the villain of the F4 movie that they are working in is Dr. Doom.
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The idea that Ben has to be super serious is weird because he often isn't. He is the punchline of jokes but he also pranks Reed and poo poo and for all his monster angst dude is also the ever lovin' boy eyed Thing.
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Burkion posted:That's not the argument being made. Fine, help me follow the logic then. As an older cis-gender straight white male I could easily be missing it - especially since this show is my first exposure to the character of Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel. From what I understand, Kamala Khan is a slightly chubby but basically normal teenage girl of Pakastini heritage in a Muslim family who manifests her stretchy/shape-shifting powers. She initially uses them to look like her idol, Carol Danvers AKA Captain Marvel. So, if that were a thing in this show, we would have Iman Vellani playing Kamala during normal stuff but every time she did superhero stuff, she would turn into blond, conventionally pretty Brie Larson. Which would mean that this show about how a normal looking Muslim brown girl from New Jersey could be a superhero would require that brown girl to turn into a model-beautiful white woman whenever she actually did that superhero stuff. I mean, it seems like that would kind of undercut the message here. Aside from the fact that paying Brie Larson to show up would very much increase this show's cost per episode.
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Everyone posted:Fine, help me follow the logic then. As an older cis-gender straight white male I could easily be missing it - especially since this show is my first exposure to the character of Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel. No she only does it the very first time. It is in fact intentional commentary and her looking like herself is an important part of who she is.
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Everyone posted:Fine, help me follow the logic then. As an older cis-gender straight white male I could easily be missing it - especially since this show is my first exposure to the character of Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel. I also know nothing about the character, and I'm fine with her powers changing, but to chime in, based on your description, couldn't the arc of the show you just described be her learning to use her powers while also being herself, instead of the model-beautiful white woman, over the course of the show? Kamala's Mom (or whoever), in the second to last episode: "You don't need to be this Carol whoever, Kamala. You've always been exactly who you need to be." Like, there are other ways to take the show, and presumably they are, but just for the sake of argument, that doesn't sound like a terrible arc. ImpAtom posted:No she only does it the very first time. It is in fact intentional commentary and her looking like herself is an important part of who she is. Okay, so yeah, that, only a shorter arc than I described.
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