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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Babe Magnet posted:

And, also, to be fair, the Souls series is also a product of its time. They just did that thing where they release more than one game in two decades to build up good will lol. People hated Demon's Souls when it came out.

When Demon's Souls and Dark Souls came out, it was at a time when the market couldn't be further from their philosophy. You had big publications like Eurogamer with articles titled "Should videogames even have boss battles anymore?"

There will always be developers who go against the grain, especially in the indie world.

Babe Magnet posted:

Yeah Kenshi is like M&B and Rimworld and Dwarf Fortress and all that because it's all those games at the same time... more or less. Kenshi is a sandbox but part of its charm is it's trying to be the most sandbox, and mostly succeeds. It's the kid playing with his toys wanting to make the Ultimate Video game that has all of the features of his favorite games and movies and you can go out and do them any time you want and also there are ninjas and dinosaurs, but that kid actually did it this time lol

Kenshi is essentially a real RPG. You go out to an unfamiliar world and do whatever you want to do and be whatever you want to be. In contrast, WRPGs are essentially "choose your own adventure books", while JRPGs are like a "manga you can play."

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Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

Yeah that was my second part, about Demon's Souls being not very well received. I don't know what I meant by the first part, about it being a product of its time. It's been a long day lol. I got there eventually.

Tabletops
Jan 27, 2014

anime
Does anyone know if kole hicks is composing for kenshi 2? I loving love Kenshis soundtrack and recently watched his mini making of YouTube videos on his channel about it

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

RPGs are notoriously buggy and hard to develop, and then so are sandbox games, so combining the two is a combined nightmare, and on top of that, studios want IP they can franchise, and IP means characters and stories that can be franchised. So the more money that gets invested the less that money is going to want to not have characters and stories and franchiseable IP

Where's my loving Beep lunchbox

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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You ever seen a fog prince head?

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

Tabletops posted:

Does anyone know if kole hicks is composing for kenshi 2? I loving love Kenshis soundtrack and recently watched his mini making of YouTube videos on his channel about it

the kenshi main theme whips a ton of rear end

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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Does anybody else tend to have midgame characters with way higher Toughness than any other stat because their best attribute is getting the poo poo beaten out of them?

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

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Bogart posted:

Does anybody else tend to have midgame characters with way higher Toughness than any other stat because their best attribute is getting the poo poo beaten out of them?

For me it's usually athletics because my stupid gimmicky playstyle usually involves less fighting on safe home turf and more avoiding or retreating from any enemy that can't be favorably cheesed, on account of spending the early game traveling long distances to explore and sneak around in gnarlier regions. Which makes any given combat calculus resolve to a binary of either a successful ambush/curbstomp, or a total party wipe.

"Ugh why did I think it would be funny to build a farm in Venge, this place suuuucks"

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


Bogart posted:

Does anybody else tend to have midgame characters with way higher Toughness than any other stat because their best attribute is getting the poo poo beaten out of them?

Yeah usually my toughness is higher than even athletics. Especially on solo runs it gets nuts.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
i've had kenshi on my to play list for years, basically ever since it came out since I had the dev blog on my old rss reader, but what made it click for me was realizing it's a squad based morrowind
starting week 2 and i keep picking up a limbless bandit, putting him in jail and lockpicking him out

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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Oh yeah, I meant 'main' stats. Athletics always end up sky high for me regardless.

Honest Thief posted:

i've had kenshi on my to play list for years, basically ever since it came out since I had the dev blog on my old rss reader, but what made it click for me was realizing it's a squad based morrowind
starting week 2 and i keep picking up a limbless bandit, putting him in jail and lockpicking him out

People see the Slave start and think it's going to be super hard, but it's actually one of the best for leaving Rebirth as a super ninja since you'll be constantly sneaking, lockpicking, and doing knockouts. Obviously, you've found something that works -- having a horrific torturedoll to train on is a valid strategy for many skills in Kenshi.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
i did end up getting enslaved but i managed to get away, and took me a while to realise that i couldnt run because of the shackles lol

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
your shackles did you the kindness of teaching you strength and athletics, you should love them, carry as many as you can collect

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I find it odd that all of these job mods like gate guard, town recruiter, or bodyguard pay like absolute dog poo poo.

Yes I protected you for a full day as I escorted you to town and fought off dozens of creatures that could have tested you limb to limb. Therefore me receiving 300 cats is perfectly acceptable.

It’s especially a slap on the face due to how broke my profitable scavenging, tech hunting, and thievery are.

Plek
Jul 30, 2009
I don't know why the vanilla mercenaries continue on, charging only a couple thousand Cats, just to frequently get destroyed by whatever they run into.

"Ah drat, half your squad lost arms and limbs. Whelp, here's 3000 cats, thanks bunch."

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Plek posted:

I don't know why the vanilla mercenaries continue on, charging only a couple thousand Cats, just to frequently get destroyed by whatever they run into.

"Ah drat, half your squad lost arms and limbs. Whelp, here's 3000 cats, thanks bunch."

I was referring to game mods where you yourself can play as a bodyguard or a gatekeeper.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
Or Clown.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
whats the best ui mod that's close to the vanilla but more readable? Im using dark ui now and it trades, I dunno, kenshi aesthetics for maximum readability

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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It's kind of just Dark UI or nothing. I just pretend that it's a fancy Skeleton invention as opposed to the garbage a Hiver would sell you.

I wonder how much Strength you need to break locks or shackles. I don't think I've ever seen a character say that they could do it when I prompt them.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
I don't remember it being super unreachable, something like 50?

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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so im hanging out by the little outpost south of Squin building a teeny little shack and some other stuff in my first ever game

what do i do? I've been making some ok money lifting stuff off the bodies the ninja guards leave around and mining and selling copper but i wanna kung fu some assholes and the bandits are not loving around! Plus they want 2k cats every two days so i said gently caress that. i saved right before hand since i didnt think i'd have any other options other than "OK!" or "gently caress OFF" and "gently caress OFF" wasnt the right choice to say when they were all around me.

should i just snag a rando from the bar and go off in a direction?
should i use a weapon or can i go all Bruce Lee
i chose the wanderer start since i think it'd be fun to start off alone then find some battle buddies but tbh the damage system is very imposing to me and i see i have to get my rear end beat to be strong which yeah cool ok but who the gently caress do i fight? i saw a goat buuuut even that was like "i wll gently caress you up dude"

i mean im perfectly happy playing mining miner lady on the big hill but i feel like these bandits are probably just gonna come back with even more and idk if they'll

wait cant i just lead them to the outpost? ohhhh poo poo brb

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
kenshi is the sandboxiest of the sanbox games, there isn't really a wrong answer. go lose some fights! get (partially) eaten by blood spiders or cannibals! maybe get enslaved! all are completely reasonable and even mechanically rewarding things you can do in Kenshi :shrug:

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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Flesh Forge posted:

kenshi is the sandboxiest of the sanbox games, there isn't really a wrong answer. go lose some fights! get (partially) eaten by blood spiders or cannibals! maybe get enslaved! all are completely reasonable and even mechanically rewarding things you can do in Kenshi :shrug:

i guess i really just dont want my leg chopped off and have to crawl around lol i only made it away from all the bandits till now from just sprinting my rear end off

i dont have anything to loot!! its all on my body or in my backpack!! stop loving hitting my house and follow me to the people who will impale you with dual harpoon guns gently caress!

verbal enema fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 25, 2022

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
you can get started by getting your rear end stomped buy guys with sticks, those generally (usually) (most of the time) don't result in amputations, but fyi actually getting a limb amputated is itself an immense bump to Toughness

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Just start fighting random people who are a bit higher level than you. Try to include it in some sort of “quest” you make up.

Like robbing bandits/nobles and being some sort of Robinhood common people. If you get caught, it’s fighting time.

Or just be a bandit yourself and mug some random passbyers. Get exp and take their stuff.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist
Get your leg chopped off. It’s totally cool and fine.

Just buy/steal a lovely robot leg.

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where do AI cores come from? I haven't seen a single one in over a dozen ruined labs and visiting just about every city.

FrickenMoron
May 6, 2009

Good game!

QUACKTASTIC posted:

Where do AI cores come from? I haven't seen a single one in over a dozen ruined labs and visiting just about every city.

They're in very very far out places. It's been about 2 years since I last played but places I can remember:

- Burning forest lab (not 100% sure on this one tbh)
- Lab in the very northwest in the "iron coast/trail" area where theres lots of broken security spiders around
- Lab on fishman island
- The lab protected by the Holy nation, Narkos trap
- Some should be sold at the scraphouse
- Ashland domes
- Tech Lab in Shun

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

^^ Yeah there's A LOT of them in The Ashlands but if you're at the point of the game where you're still trying to figure out how to get them, you may not be ready for the area lol.

you gotta visit the Big Important Tech City Black Desert (specifically the giant Scraphouse attached to it) in the middle of the acid-rain hell swamp Deadlands. Bring shoes! to buy them.

They spawn in high level locked chests generally, in ancient factory/warehouse tiles. Check near the Beak Thing Crater in the bottom left of the map and the Deadlands in the middle-ish for some.

For guarantees on finding them, you want Ancient labs, not just any labs. I know there's not much of a difference but you'll know you're in the right place if someone with high stats, a name, and a meitou weapon is trying to kill you lol

Here's some hints for you:

Eastern Island Spider Factory on the Forbidden Isle

Southern Island Island Lab on Fishman Island

Death Lasers Tower of Abuse in Venge

Holy Nation's Only Tech Lab Narko's Trap, east of Blister Hill

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 08:13 on May 27, 2022

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Great stuff, thanks. Looks like I'll be sending my speed ninja on some sightseeing missions.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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Decided to do a run where I only recruit prisoners. I think there must be something busted with Reaver slaves; even the ones that give you the good messages ("can you open the cage, too?" etc) will never actually leave the cage once they're free. Little bit annoying since I started in the east specifically so I could bust some reavers and get their better-than-average stats.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
yeah the Reaver behavior seems like there is some pretty interesting ideas but not really finished. I modded in a start where you begin as a small group (3 or something) of Reaver "conscripts" to see if that was reasonable, it's so much harder than the Holy Nation slave start.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

I've seen this game in the steam store for years and always passed on it because the screenshots made it look like dogshit.

I finally bought it a few days ago and have been playing it when I can and holy poo poo, it is the jank of all jank and doesn't look that good but it is amazing and fun as hell, I've been a moron for years.

Moonshine Rhyme
Mar 26, 2010

Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate
It has also hit that sweet point where lots of big mods are complete and even good levels of compatibility/patches. This is my fourth time getting back to it over the last few years and it is still gold. Though I think some combination of my mod cocktail this time broke interactions at my base with AI/wanderers. Wouldn't be kenshi without it!

Moonshine Rhyme fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jun 14, 2022

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

BadLlama posted:

I've seen this game in the steam store for years and always passed on it because the screenshots made it look like dogshit.

I finally bought it a few days ago and have been playing it when I can and holy poo poo, it is the jank of all jank and doesn't look that good but it is amazing and fun as hell, I've been a moron for years.

:hai:

e: it looks substantially better if you enable shadows

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


BadLlama posted:

I've seen this game in the steam store for years and always passed on it because the screenshots made it look like dogshit.

I finally bought it a few days ago and have been playing it when I can and holy poo poo, it is the jank of all jank and doesn't look that good but it is amazing and fun as hell, I've been a moron for years.

Many a time have morons robbed themselves of amazing games because they judged them by their looks. Glad you finally saw the light!

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


Ask me about that time I told people mixing bleach and vinegar is okay
With my Ryzen 5800x3d, Nvidia 3080 and a NVME drive I can finally crank Kenshi to the max!

Drunk in Space
Dec 1, 2009
Despite the dated graphics, character models, textures etc, I still hold that Kenshi has some of the most amazing backgrounds and vistas I've ever seen in a game. There are newer AAA games that don't even come close to conveying 'epic landscape' like Kenshi does.

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Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!
Y'all never stop talking about this I should probably try it again.

Read some of this thread, then I saw the review on Steam that says "Like Animal Crossing for autistic men" and pulled the trigger.

So I booted up my game with zero research and set up a camp about halfway to the next landmark on the map (basically as soon as I was out of the threshold of the starting town). And yeah, wow these graphics are offensive.

Made like four trips buying and ferrying materials back and forth to build this thing.

Finally got enough materials, start building it. Looks like it will take a second so I go get some food.

Come back and I'm being ravaged by a party of wandering nomads. Unable to escape I'm struck down and (very) slowly bleed to death. \fin

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