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Mashing buttons and watching scores of soldiers die is The Musou Experience, yeah. Most of the extra stuff is about getting higher numbers in the event you run into someone who is actually challenging. That being said, the fact you can give orders to up to (at least) 8 people means this is already more involved than most Musous.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:So I figured I'd download the demo and give it a shot. This is my first ever musou game, so I'm playing on Normal/Casual, and I've gotten to the end of the pre-timeskip section. The game is throwing an overwhelming amount of information at me. Materials, weapons, status effects, abilities, classes, oh my god there's so much. Except none of it really seems to matter. I mash Y and X a lot and a bunch of enemies die. Sometimes I press A when the meter fills up and a bunch of enemies really die. The game tells me that one of my bases is being attacked, so I send over the person with the most up arrows against the attacker. I find a boss and mash Y and X some more. Then I win. Triple S rank. Sure, I guess? Honestly my pro-tip is to skip through 99% of the tutorial popups and just button mash to victory if all the nuance is stressing you out. Musou games do have a lot of mechanical complexity to them and if you want to you absolutely can set up extremely broken combinations of unit/class/weapon that just mop the floor with entire rooms... or you can just roll out your favorite characters and hit Y -> Y -> Y -> X over and over until you win. Particularly on normal and below there's really no reason to engage with the deeper aspects of the combat system unless you really want to.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:19
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Sydin posted:Byleth is not capable of engaging any of their students romantically during White Clouds when a student/teacher power dynamic is in play. A supports and proposals only come after it's been 5+ years since Byleth was teaching them and I believe every character who can be romanced is of age by that time. I've seen some people consider that since Byleth still was part of their development when younger and the characters still hold you onto a pedestal (and call you Professor) that still gives vibes of grooming, specially people who work in teaching fields. Which is dumb since that would require Byleth to have a personality and more emotions than a rock, but honestly? Find Byleth/student ships unconfortable is a perfectly valid opinion to have as long as you're not harassing others about it.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:20
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Yeah that's very much the normal experience. Hard has you much more involved with the mechanics if that's your jam, but the core of at least FEW is finding your guy with the most up arrows and orders them to the right spot, swapping guys to control them manually/making sure you don't just tunnel vision and forget about your base.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:20
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also there's the fact that your chosen difficulty level doesn't actually do anything until you get out of the prologue. those chapters are tuned to be super easy, if you have hard on the next ones are an intense difficulty spike where suddenly random stronghold captains are four-shotting you. i imagine it gets tougher there even on normal this is also where they introduce the entire rest of the mechanics so you should just keep playing and the game will answer the question of what it's like pretty well actually
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Jun 14, 2022 22:23
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Man I loved this demo. I really missed the three houses world and it seems to run decently well too. I will probably get this but maybe not straight at release
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Jun 14, 2022 22:24
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Man I loved this demo. I really missed the three houses world and it seems to run decently well too. I will probably get this but maybe not straight at release Same. I'm mid vacation at that time, so I wouldn't have good internet, and even if I did, I would have a week before Monster Hunter takes up all my switch time.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:28
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:it seems to run decently well too. I was really worried after the 10-15 FPS nightmare that was trying to play Age of Calamity, but yeah Koei Techmo have obviously made some huge strides in squeezing out every drop they can from the Switch hardware. Note quite as buttery smooth as I'd like but the FPS dips are rarely bad even in the thick of it.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:30
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I already pre-ordered it. 
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Jun 14, 2022 22:33
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I've seen some people consider that since Byleth still was part of their development when younger and the characters still hold you onto a pedestal (and call you Professor) that still gives vibes of grooming, specially people who work in teaching fields. What about the Ashen wolves? They’re more akin to teacher’s assistant than students. Also, p sure they’re older than Byleth
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Jun 14, 2022 22:34
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Sydin posted:I was really worried after the 10-15 FPS nightmare that was trying to play Age of Calamity, but yeah Koei Techmo have obviously made some huge strides in squeezing out every drop they can from the Switch hardware. Note quite as buttery smooth as I'd like but the FPS dips are rarely bad even in the thick of it. 
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Jun 14, 2022 22:35
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Mercedes and Balthus are older than Byleth, all the other students are younger. Balthus is actually older than Shamir so the fact he has a new appearance post timeskip while Shamir doesn't is a shame. Hellioning fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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Jun 14, 2022 22:36
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Hellioning posted:Mercedes and Balthus are older than Byleth, all the other students are older. That he has a new appearance at all always sucks (imo) just cause I prefer his original look. Like his original look to me is basically Elvis Presley if Elvis beat the poo poo out of people instead of eating at Arby's.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:45
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Also the Ashen Wolves, as much as they call themselves the fourth house, are composed of an expelled student (Yuri), a graduate (Balthus) and 2 girls who never enrolled (Constance and Hapi), and the house is a house in name only, so storywise they aren't Byleth's students. ..though now I realize, gameplay-wise, you are teaching every character you have (even professors like Manuela), so they're all your students, even post-timeskip since you still teach them. Therefore no character you can teach is unproblematic since they're all teacher-student romances. And as we said the other options, Rhea (your grandma-mother-daughter) and Sothis (looks 10 and is also you) are not valid. Ergo, the only valid S-Rank in the game is Alois since you marry a random villager who was never your student, is probably your age and is not related to you. QED.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:47
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Eimi posted:That he has a new appearance at all always sucks (imo) just cause I prefer his original look. Like his original look to me is basically Elvis Presley if Elvis beat the poo poo out of people instead of eating at Arby's. His three hopes look resembles a solid snake audition so I dig it GiantRockFromSpace posted:Also the Ashen Wolves, as much as they call themselves the fourth house, are composed of an expelled student (Yuri), a graduate (Balthus) and 2 girls who never enrolled (Constance and Hapi), and the house is a house in name only, so storywise they aren't Byleth's students. Well, post timeskip they can also teach you, and the classroom is replaced by a war council of sorts
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Jun 14, 2022 22:55
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Deltasquid posted:His three hopes look resembles a solid snake audition so I dig it the headband does do a lot to help. Vast improvement over his timeskip look for sure.
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Jun 14, 2022 22:56
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Deltasquid posted:Well, post timeskip they can also teach you, and the classroom is replaced by a war council of sorts
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Jun 14, 2022 23:03
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Though I think teacher student dynamics are kind of hard to say are a thing when we are talking about literally royalty and nobility. Though I’m not 100% sure if they are all nobility
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Jun 14, 2022 23:15
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Also the Ashen Wolves, as much as they call themselves the fourth house, are composed of an expelled student (Yuri), a graduate (Balthus) and 2 girls who never enrolled (Constance and Hapi), and the house is a house in name only, so storywise they aren't Byleth's students. Constance enrolled too. Not sure if she ever graduated though.
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Jun 14, 2022 23:38
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Eimi posted:That he has a new appearance at all always sucks (imo) just cause I prefer his original look. Like his original look to me is basically Elvis Presley if Elvis beat the poo poo out of people instead of eating at Arby's. Yeah but he looks like Solid Snake. That's awesome.
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i put lysithea in pegasus knight because she already mastered both mage and priest, (because mastermind is loving busted as a personal skill) and now im sincerely hoping that Dark Flyer makes it into this game so that she can once again experience her true calling as an unstoppable fighter jet
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After doing a few more battles I have to say everyone in Black Eagles is super cool and I like them all. Except, well, Dorothea I guess. She isn't bad! Just that to me, she's the most "Oh yeah, you exist" character in the roster. Maybe I will like her more after some support conversations.
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Jun 15, 2022 00:12
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Its gotta be kinda weird being introduced to the characters through this game and not 3 houses. Game kinda blows right past getting to know everyone to get right into wartime plot shenanigans.
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Jun 15, 2022 00:39
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If Dorothea is anything like she is in the main game she gets a lot more interesting and cool after the timeskip.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Its gotta be kinda weird being introduced to the characters through this game and not 3 houses. It's clear the game expects you to have played Three Houses already. It doesn't even have that many supports, you're expected to know the plot (and, therefore, how it deviates) and the characters except Shez. Unconnected to that, I really want to know which classes work best for the BE house because boy, giving you a million mages is kind of annoying. Petra as a Thief rocks though.
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Hellioning posted:If Dorothea is anything like she is in the main game she gets a lot more interesting and cool after the timeskip. Dorothea definitely has the most of what made up her character beats blown away by Three Hopes. Her whole reason for being in the officer's academy is to try and find a noble partner but here she only gets like a month before the academy closes. Then in part 2 her thing in 3H was being the grounded one who's like "holy gently caress we're fighting our cherished childhood friends this is horrible" but as Shez can point out to her this go around, they were all at best passing acquaintances not worth fretting over much more than the average mook. The demo writing has all been really good though so I trust the game to figure out how to tune her for the AU.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:You need 80 achievement points for the first advanced seals, and while I haven't crunched the numbers, I think that's theoretically doable with a lot of grinding. I've hit 40 with no concerted effort whatsoever. It's absolutely doable with enough grinding. Also, thanks to the latest update, I have managed to figure out what is likely to 99% be Shez's actual learned spells once you get through the classes needed: quote:Reason: Spoilers are the ones we can't confirm through the demo because their data has been mostly scrubbed from it. I cross-referenced Shez with other notable characters who learn dark magic to figure out which spells they were. It's actually a rather good reason spell list by offensive mage standards and a decent faith spell list by support mage standards. It is also very plain to see that Shez's spell list very heavily contrasts Byleth's spell list, not only by having a better and more interesting Reason spell list over Byleth's in exchange for a worse Faith list, but also in how his preference for dark magic contrasts Byleth's preference for light magic as their main offensive magic. Folt The Bolt fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Though I think teacher student dynamics are kind of hard to say are a thing when we are talking about literally royalty and nobility. Though I’m not 100% sure if they are all nobility Much as there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, there's no such thing as equal relationships under feudalism.
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Zore posted:Hanneman has the largest gap between good supports and awful supports in the game. Like he has 3 full A supports with students where they get a unique ending about how they become colleagues and lifelong friends who work well together and they're really cool! (Annette, Marianne, Lysithea) sounds like a Dorothea problem.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Its gotta be kinda weird being introduced to the characters through this game and not 3 houses. Also you find Monica and she just explains a bunch of plot points from the first game to you before they happen.
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Defiance Industries posted:Also you find Monica and she just explains a bunch of plot points from the first game to you before they happen. Coming from Three Houses it was pretty great for a character to show up in like Chapter 2 and go "yeah I got kidnapped by the slithers. Oh you don't know who they are? Let me explain then." Even better on CB with the next chapter being you going and immediately dunking on them.
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I'm sure they'll matter more later on but I did appreciate how they got the slitherins out of the way as soon as they could to focus on what really matters, Edelgard and Rhea attempting to ignore how similar they are to each other.
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Hellioning posted:I'm sure they'll matter more later on but I did appreciate how they got the slitherins out of the way as soon as they could to focus on what really matters, Edelgard and Rhea attempting to ignore how similar they are to each other. Hellioning posted:Oh no.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-LKFHpib9Y
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Folt The Bolt posted:It's absolutely doable with enough grinding. Oh, that's nice. I was disappointed that Shez seemed to learn regular magic, since Arval clearly is somehow related to the Agartheans and every character involved with them learns dark magic, so glad to know this actually still holds true. Wonder if Monica will learn anything like that as well, although she was only kidnapped so Kronya could replace her a year or so down the line / so that her father would hand over his relic, so I figure that doesn't count.
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I am the discourse.
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it only just occurred to me that the Ashen Wolves are absolutely going to be Byleth's faction, solely because they have "Ashen" in the name. There's absolutely no chance they won't be.
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Hellioning posted:I'm sure they'll matter more later on but I did appreciate how they got the slitherins out of the way as soon as they could to focus on what really matters, Edelgard and Rhea attempting to ignore how similar they are to each other. I'm sure they'll pop up regularly in the war sequence since Thales, Kronya and Solon all survive this time, they just warp away.
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Cloacamazing! posted:Oh, that's nice. I was disappointed that Shez seemed to learn regular magic, since Arval clearly is somehow related to the Agartheans and every character involved with them learns dark magic, so glad to know this actually still holds true. Wonder if Monica will learn anything like that as well, although she was only kidnapped so Kronya could replace her a year or so down the line / so that her father would hand over his relic, so I figure that doesn't count. As for Monica, Looking over the data, she does in fact seem to be able to learn two Dark spells, Swarm Ζ and Hades Ω (the latter determined by process of elimination), in addition to the non-elemental Meteor (also determined by process of elimination).
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