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For what it's worth, I don't blame A-Train for not joining the resistance. If there's no way to hurt Homelander, there's no hope of ousting him... I do, however, blame him for selling out Supersonic. Were it me, I'd like to think I'd just try to talk Supersonic out of it ("Bro, he survived nukes--what do you have that's stronger than that?). Maybe proclaim Homelander's superiority or something, just in case he happened to be overhearing... But then keep my mouth shut and wish him luck. EDIT: Actually, that was kind of an ongoing problem I had with Seasons 1-2. Whatever progress they made against Vought, I kept thinking "Cool, but... You still can't beat Homelander." Fionordequester fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Yeah I still don't understand why Butcher thought the CIA could do anything about Homelander You can try to arrest him I guess but lmao
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Jun 15, 2022 00:37
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As Nero Danced posted:Spoilering this in case I get it right, but I bet Homelander invites Blue Hawk, the supe that's been targeting black people to take Super Sonic's place, specifically to get under A Train's skin. In one of the trailers there's a clip of him entering a room wtih Ashley holding the door Finally a non-stupid fan theory that doesn't assume the writers hate us
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uber_stoat posted:https://twitter.com/TheBoysTV/status/1536770559161380865?s=20&t=-fmeefWVyPwozqBrXLAnrg Just to save people a google, I guess, here's some comic spoilers: In the comics Vought is way deeper in the superhero thing, and they have a massive comic and film industry where the adventures portrayed in them are presented as being real things that are happening in real life. When a supe dies, it's up to the writing team to come up with a plausible story reason for why; usually something along the lines of "oh, they're in space fighting aliens!" in one notable case, Homelander just kind of merked another supe for no real reason on camera so they had to write an entire in-universe storyline about how that guy went evil just to justify a real life situation. The Legend is basically the guy who started all of that, he used to work for vought and his job was giving the public a clean and socially palatable superhero rather than the hosed up monsters they were and he did this right up until he realized how hosed up they were when their lovely military programs got his son killed wherein he dedicated his entire career, and life, from then on to taking them down. He also has another son, with queen maeve, who is a lovely teenage super hero that hughie kills. I genuinely don't know what kind of role the character will have in the show, but the show runners generally seem to know what they're doing.
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Jun 15, 2022 01:05
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Elephant Ambush posted:Yeah I still don't understand why Butcher thought the CIA could do anything about Homelander Homelander isn’t a country with conflicting ideology to overthrow or a minority that can be exploited and kept down the CIA isn’t gonna do poo poo.
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Jun 15, 2022 01:05
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Is it ever explained in the comic universe on the TV universe why there are no super villains? You'd think Vought would have a stable of villain characters for the super teams to have story arcs with.
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Jun 15, 2022 01:26
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Marsupial Ape posted:Is it ever explained in the comic universe on the TV universe why there are no super villains? You'd think Vought would have a stable of villain characters for the super teams to have story arcs with. The "villains" are always nebulous beings/concepts like aliens or ~mind controlled~ heroes. It'll be interesting to see if they take that tack for the Herogasm episode the week after next. The justification for all the (most popular) heroes to gently caress off to a private island to have sex and do every drug imaginable is that there's an alien invasion that needs to be thwarted off-world.
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Jun 15, 2022 01:30
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Bussamove posted:Homelander isn’t a country with conflicting ideology to overthrow or a minority that can be exploited and kept down the CIA isn’t gonna do poo poo. None of that matters in the show. The CIA on the show is very clearly trying to get enough solid dirt on Vought to take them down. Yes I know this doesn't mirror the IRL CIA The point is that Homelander literally cannot be arrested and imprisoned in any way that we currently know of, so sending a pile of operatives or even an army after him won't do poo poo because laser eyes For all the scheming Butcher does on the show it seems like he should have thought that through a bit more
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Jun 15, 2022 01:35
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Elephant Ambush posted:Yeah I still don't understand why Butcher thought the CIA could do anything about Homelander it took testing on their own operatives but their experiments have finally succeeded. the havana syndrome ray is ready.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Is it ever explained in the comic universe on the TV universe why there are no super villains? You'd think Vought would have a stable of villain characters for the super teams to have story arcs with. Haven't read the comics, but I could see Vought not wanting the public to worry about people with powers going evil - they're already covering for the ones who do. If there were "villains" running around it might make people more hesitant to trust super heroes or support restrictions on people with powers. Plus they gave Compound V to kids by telling their parents they could be the next huge superhero. I doubt they're going to agree to "actually your kid has to be a villain."
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I think the closest we came to that was the super terrorist who lived almost an entire episode. A terrorist who's power set is to blow himself up. Yea that wasn't on the mark or anything.
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Jun 15, 2022 01:51
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Nuebot posted:I genuinely don't know what kind of role the character will have in the show, but the show runners generally seem to know what they're doing. Probably the same, though maybe more Kevin Feige than Stann Lee. I hope Serge referring to Billy as Charcutier was just a quick comic call out. It was just part of the joke in the comic since the character wasn't a real character, just a fake caricature with constant bad French. Doesn't hit the same if the character is actually French.
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Heliotrope posted:Haven't read the comics, but I could see Vought not wanting the public to worry about people with powers going evil - they're already covering for the ones who do. If there were "villains" running around it might make people more hesitant to trust super heroes or support restrictions on people with powers. Plus they gave Compound V to kids by telling their parents they could be the next huge superhero. I doubt they're going to agree to "actually your kid has to be a villain." Well, they'd be on the payroll, so it'd be like pro-wrestling's kayfabe. They'd be the 'heels' of the show. Think of the missed marketing opportunities! People go stupid for sexy villains. Also, how does some like Michael Jordan even become famous and iconic in a world full of actual superhumans. How does any athlete? Olympian and pro athletes amaze us because they operating at the very peaks and edges of human capability. Why would I give a poo poo in a world full of little gods?
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Jun 15, 2022 03:31
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Marsupial Ape posted:Also, how does some like Michael Jordan even become famous and iconic in a world full of actual superhumans. How does any athlete? Olympian and pro athletes amaze us because they operating at the very peaks and edges of human capability. Why would I give a poo poo in a world full of little gods? IIRC, the whole super-heroing thing was pretty recent--so stuff like the Olympics got there first, and the tradition just kinda stuck.
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Jun 15, 2022 03:50
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Marsupial Ape posted:Is it ever explained in the comic universe on the TV universe why there are no super villains? You'd think Vought would have a stable of villain characters for the super teams to have story arcs with. The public in the TV universe is savvier; the public in the comics universe are played for rubes who literally believe these people got powers from mystical gems/radioactive spiders/alien rocks etc. There's still a dearth of villains even then, and the supes are basically powered celebrities. But occasionally the "Galactic Overlord (bag of consonants) attacked" kinda poo poo is used to handwave away a superhero rehab stint or inconvenient death
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Jun 15, 2022 03:59
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I'm just saying, Vought not having their own Hiddleston is leaving a lot of money the table. Also, think of all the villain based breakfast cereals!
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Jun 15, 2022 04:14
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I’m sure it’s been suggested but lol Edgar doesn’t even want the superheroes let alone villains so I’m not surprised he never tried it
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Marsupial Ape posted:Well, they'd be on the payroll, so it'd be like pro-wrestling's kayfabe. They'd be the 'heels' of the show. Think of the missed marketing opportunities! People go stupid for sexy villains. I can see some people signing up to be killed by Homelander, but not a lot. Though I think the bigger problem is that terrorists don't shift breakfast serial. I can see people buying Doctor Doom flavoured cereal on this planet, because Doctor Doom isn't actively killing people. I don't see people buying the Mengele or Pol Pott versions though, or Disney/Starbucks/Sony/Uber wanting to associate their brand with them. (this is the chance for the internet to prove me wrong)
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Jun 15, 2022 04:38
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I thought that Frenchie was a bit of a joke because the dude is Algerian.
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homelander's invincibility has always just been taken as an absolute on the show so far, with this possible superweapon as the only caveat. i think it's weird how they've never had characters at least ask things like whether he needs to breathe. he refers to going to space, so i suppose not, but they don't seem to think outside the box in terms of how they could handle him. if everything has been tried and failed, they should say so on the show, because nobody has ever tried at all. he eats and drinks, right? i don't remember him ever doing it, but they could try drugging his food to knock him out and then drown him. probably wouldn't work but it could have been tried. i mean he was delayed by that cave-in for several minutes one time so it is at least possible to keep him in one spot for a period of time. also he's aging normally physically, as far as we know. other supes are longlived, but nobody's ever said that about homelander, so will his powers remain the same until he's old? will he actually die? there's a lot they haven't gone into and i don't think it's besides the point to ask this stuff since this is the show's main storyline. Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I think the closest we came to that was the super terrorist who lived almost an entire episode. they completely dropped this and almost totally dropped the superheroes in the military stuff. with the super terrorists thing, okay maybe they realised they were veering into looking racist, but since they also did it with the military thing i think they just decided they didn't want to widen their scope too much and keep it focused mostly on the psychology and relationship dramas of the main cast. roomtone fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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To be fair, it's heavily implied that Vought has been mind-loving the public into submission since the Second World War. They're an unholy hybrid of Amazon, Disney, Alphabet/Google, McDonald's, Pfizer, Lockheed-Martin, and Monsanto all rolled into one, and they've had unquestioned corporate dominion over the US and western world ever since. It's like seeing a "FedLex" delivery man at the Hall of Justice in DC Comics, or a "LexMart." It's just accepted because (unfortunately) evil gets poo poo done behind the scenes in comics as much as it does in real life. 
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Jun 15, 2022 05:17
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Open Source Idiom posted:I can see some people signing up to be killed by Homelander, but not a lot. I'm not saying Vaught is sending out their villains to actually murder people. Like I said, it's kayfabe. They do dumb poo poo like try to steal the Liberty Bell and get into love triangles with the heroes. I mean, gently caress, KISS was a super villain rock and roll band.
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Jun 15, 2022 05:33
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Watching homelander fly into the sun after I told him he was a soyboy if he couldn't fly from the core and back
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Marsupial Ape posted:Is it ever explained in the comic universe on the TV universe why there are no super villains? You'd think Vought would have a stable of villain characters for the super teams to have story arcs with. Super villains in the comics were just like the heroes,they kept up the act for the cameras and were on voughts payroll. But if a villain actually broke kayfabe and became a liability they could expect homelander to fly through them at 200mph and for vought to publish a comic about it(which praises the brave supes obv) They seem to have skirted vilains in the show probably cause they’d be expensive? Idk
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Yeah doing supervillains here doesn't work because Homelander would just immediately kill them (honestly, as would Noir, Maeve, or A-Train)
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Marsupial Ape posted:I'm not saying Vaught is sending out their villains to actually murder people. Like I said, it's kayfabe. They do dumb poo poo like try to steal the Liberty Bell and get into love triangles with the heroes. I mean, gently caress, KISS was a super villain rock and roll band. So you're saying like heroes with mean attitudes? Yeah I guess that's a good point -- most of the heroes we see are very mainstream in their imagery. I guess you've got Gunpowder, I guess there are probably other demographics represented too... like an NPR hero, or one who reps skater culture, or goth culture, or Garfield style "I hate Mondays" 9-5 office manager, or some poo poo. One for every tribe.
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Jun 15, 2022 06:09
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I hope we see the Bernie Bro supe
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Jun 15, 2022 06:11
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Mameluke posted:I hope we see the Bernie Bro supe 
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Mameluke posted:I hope we see the Bernie Bro supe The Poster. Superpower: super fast typist, able to shitpost on five hundred alts at once Actual Contribution to Leftism: 0
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They mentioned in the first season that translucent couldn't be drowned or gassed, and the guys that tried all died in camp when he got out. I'd imagine since he's pretty far down the line from Homelander in power scale, even Starlight being able to shrug off .50 cal shots, that the whole breathing thing or poisoning idea is ludicrous. At the very least, in show canon he can hear you miles away (calling the check point and waving to the mom in camera in s2), bulletproof, incredibly strong, he can fly at possibly supersonic speed, he can make it to space and survive, he's got eye lasers and he's mentally unstable. If you are going up against that, you need a definite, not a "might work". So far the only weakness is an inability to see through zinc, as well as having a few mental disorders. They are hoping the red weapon is going to work. Timing wise, it kinda fits. Homelander would have been either just born or only a few years old, and vought could have seen the writing on the wall and knew they needed something to take him out. So, they snatch soldier boy during an op that the us government could not possibly mention, and put him in ice until needed.
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tokin opposition posted:The Poster. thus far, homelander's only vulnerabilities are social and mental, cyberbullying is probably the most effective weapon we have.
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He'll be the dude that directed the soldier boy psa instead of masterminding comic book poo poo.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I thought that Frenchie was a bit of a joke because the dude is Algerian. French Algerian nationality is a thing. Jean Reno is French Algerian IIRC. (I'm assuming you're talking about the character, as well - Frenchie's actor is Israeli.)
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From Vought's perspective, any plan regarding finding a potential way to kill Homelander has two major dilemmas, which are: - assuming whatever you tried doesn't work or doesn't work fully, he can probably kill you and whoever else was involved, and then either confirm his power or realize there are limits and try to gauge them himself - assuming whatever you tried does work and you kill Homelander, what then? Only the protagonists actually want to kill him, it would mean a massive loss - and keep him at a verge of dying with no repercussion doesn't seem plausible, he wouldn't accept "just kidding". So in the short term, it seemed it would be more efficient to control him through social means. Long term is not something capitalism concerns itself with. I do think he'll become so irritated with paperwork he'll see what keeping non-powered people is good for. Whatever else his powers allow him, he doesn't seem good with delegating, always needing to get the last word and his way. Szurumbur fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Marsupial Ape posted:I'm not saying Vaught is sending out their villains to actually murder people. Like I said, it's kayfabe. They do dumb poo poo like try to steal the Liberty Bell and get into love triangles with the heroes. I mean, gently caress, KISS was a super villain rock and roll band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlG36P2J_qs
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I thought that Frenchie was a bit of a joke because the dude is Algerian.
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In my head frenchie was just a nutcase who pretended to be french because he thought it was funny/he was a crackpot.
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I thought they were implying he was actually Russian, but created the "Frenchie" persona once he stopped being a paid assassin for the Russian mob or whoever they are.
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Robobot posted:I thought they were implying he was actually Russian, but created the "Frenchie" persona once he stopped being a paid assassin for the Russian mob or whoever they are.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I'm not saying Vaught is sending out their villains to actually murder people. Like I said, it's kayfabe. They do dumb poo poo like try to steal the Liberty Bell and get into love triangles with the heroes. I mean, gently caress, KISS was a super villain rock and roll band. I could see Vought being hesitant because villains might be more difficult to control. Any hero who steps out of line, they're easy enough to either control or destroy by way of public relations. Just leak or outright fake some compromising material and the hero is pretty much done, since they rely so much on public goodwill. Villains, on the other hand, would be much more difficult to control this way. Whatever fanbase they'd accumulate would be much more difficult to dissuade by pointing out they're bad people, since that's already built into their public persona by default. It'd also be much easier for them to jump ship off of Vought and monetize themselves through a competitor or independently. Sure, there's always the potential threat of "play along or Homelander murders you", but I'd expect somebody like Edgar would consider that too unreliable and brute-force.
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