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credburn posted:Hmmm. If memory serves, it's a T-intersection; you can't go through. But I could be wrong. Now I need to seek out where I've seen this (two different locations in the next town over) and investigate. If you find out more I could show it to my traffic engineer husband to get you a more accurate/detailed answer. 
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3D Megadoodoo posted:How.. how often do you cone across that sign while driving? You see it pretty often when you're sitting at the lights turning onto a motorway and the exit lane is right next to you
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I've probably never had real wasabi
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For twenty years, I've been pronouncing "Kharaa" (from the game Natural Selection) roughly like how I'd pronounce the name Cara. I've just heard it pronounced for the first time in Subnautica: Below Zero, and it turns out the emphasis is on the second syllable.
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Hyperlynx posted:For twenty years, I've been pronouncing "Kharaa" (from the game Natural Selection) roughly like how I'd pronounce the name Cara. I'm northern english and both these things are pronounced the same???
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learnincurve posted:I'm northern english and both these things are pronounced the same??? Even people from the North of England can figure out syllable emphasis I reckon. Think "Tara Reid" vs Cilla Black saying "Ta-ra for now"
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Yeh both those things are still the same, sorry. Here's one people not frum rund here do a double take at, the dude who does our tram announcements sounds exactly like Sean Bean to them, because they are both from Woodhouses
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learnincurve posted:Yeh both those things are still the same, sorry. They really aren't Which one of you did this? 
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"Tara, aye ma duck, aye, grand, tatty bye then" When you are desperate to get your nan off of the phone. North Derbyshire and Yorkshire still have holdover words from middle English, so the random inflections and grunting are sometimes actually a different language, like reet, reight, right are three different words that in modern Oxford English would be pronounced as right learnincurve has a new favorite as of 21:10 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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Captain Splendid posted:They really aren't I'm skeptical of this etymology simply because I spoke Irish for 15 years without ever wishing someone farewell with "tabhair aire". We already say "slán" or "slán abhaile" which means "be safe" or "get home safe"
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learnincurve posted:I'm northern english and both these things are pronounced the same??? Okay then, it would be as if... as if I just found out that the word "farmer" is actually supposed to be pronounced "farMER", after two decades of saying it wrong. Only in this hypothetical "farmer" is a fictional word, and this is where the analogy breaks down. But in my accent I'd pronounce "farmer" and "Cara" with the same emphasis on the first syllable, and the same vowel sound on the first syllable. Which apparently isn't universal, so: whoops! Hyperlynx has a new favorite as of 23:57 on Jun 14, 2022 |
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I know you were trying to show differences in syllable stress, but ultimately I'm not content with your content.
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Captain Splendid posted:I know you were trying to show differences in syllable stress, but ultimately I'm not content with your content. I think we can wrap this thread up with a bow on it, lest we all be forced to bow down to inferior british pronunciation.
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For the longest time I thought "carrot and stick" referred to a carrot on a stick. I thought "well I guess the stick prevents you from getting the carrot but this metaphor still doesn't really make sense to me". I think I was confused because in visual depictions of the metaphor the carrot often IS on a stick, and the stick referenced in the name of the metaphor (that you beat your horse with) is often omitted entirely. Here's one that shows both. (as a bonus it will make you think big thoughts about society) 
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The Moon Monster posted:For the longest time I thought "carrot and stick" referred to a carrot on a stick. I thought "well I guess the stick prevents you from getting the carrot but this metaphor still doesn't really make sense to me". I'm a bit confused about the bolded part, but the picture does explain it. The full phrase is something like "the carrot dangled on the end of the stick" and I guess that's kind of gotten shortened to "carrot on a stick" which is obscure if you haven't actually seen an example of it. It doesn't involve literally beating the horse though. It's just that if the person is sitting on the horse and also holding the carrot in front of it at sufficient length, the horse may think it can get closer to the carrot by walking forwards, but it actually never will.
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Sir Lemming posted:I'm a bit confused about the bolded part, but the picture does explain it. The full phrase is something like "the carrot dangled on the end of the stick" and I guess that's kind of gotten shortened to "carrot on a stick" which is obscure if you haven't actually seen an example of it. My understanding of that phrase is "you can get the carrot or you can get the stick" meaning "you can get a treat or you can get a punishment". Either way you're going to do what I want you to do.
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Sir Lemming posted:I'm a bit confused about the bolded part, but the picture does explain it. The full phrase is something like "the carrot dangled on the end of the stick" and I guess that's kind of gotten shortened to "carrot on a stick" which is obscure if you haven't actually seen an example of it. What no. The phrase "the carrot and the stick" involves offering something an incentive to do something and a punishment if it does not. So with a horse you are holding a carrot out in front of it to get to walk forward but also threatening to beat it with a stick if it doesn't. The second part is what The Moon Monster hadn't understood about it and that comic demonstrates it. The confusion I suppose is coming from the cartoonish concept of holding a reward tied to a stick that cannot actually be reached. While as in that comic it makes a convenient way to demonstrate the metaphor, the "carrot and the stick" phrase does not imply that the reward cannot be obtained. If the subject does what is wanted they do get the carrot and if they don't, they get hit by the stick. Regy Rusty has a new favorite as of 15:12 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Sir Lemming posted:I'm a bit confused about the bolded part, but the picture does explain it. The full phrase is something like "the carrot dangled on the end of the stick" and I guess that's kind of gotten shortened to "carrot on a stick" which is obscure if you haven't actually seen an example of it. I can't tell if this is a bit so I'm gonna assume not. The phrase is carrot and stick because it refers to motivating someone both with the promise of a reward and with the threat of punishment, and has nothing to do with the carrot being on a stick. Edit: looks like it's me who has been metaphorically beaten! Organza Quiz has a new favorite as of 15:19 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Captain Monkey posted:*running into the thread, breathlessly* But like they are so wrong tho? And they have never heard about Teddy Roosevelt saying "
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:But like they are so wrong tho? And they have never heard about Teddy Roosevelt saying " I never understood that quote. I know he said it and it's a famous quote but whatever it's meaning to say is lost on me. I guess I imagine that guy from that movie who beat up his old town with a 2x4. SYCBYJFO: Today I see Microsoft Internet Explorer is officially gone, and it made me realize... Edge is not just Internet Explorer with a hip new name? It's actually an entirely different browser meant to look basically the same and function as a means for me to download the browsers I want?
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credburn posted:I never understood that quote. I know he said it and it's a famous quote but whatever it's meaning to say is lost on me. I guess I imagine that guy from that movie who beat up his old town with a 2x4. It's the idea that your approach with others should be nice and diplomatic as much as possible, but to also show them you have the power to back yourself up forcefully if need be.
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credburn posted:I never understood that quote. I know he said it and it's a famous quote but whatever it's meaning to say is lost on me. I guess I imagine that guy from that movie who beat up his old town with a 2x4. Yeah, but it's also named after a Halo thing, and everybody loves Halo, right?
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AFewBricksShy posted:My understanding of that phrase is "you can get the carrot or you can get the stick" meaning "you can get a treat or you can get a punishment". Either way you're going to do what I want you to do. I guess I've just learned something new then, because I've never heard that phrase. I've only heard the metaphor of the carrot being dangled at the end of a stick -- motivating you with the promise of something that you may or may not ever actually get. (The subtext being that the act of walking "toward" the carrot is not actually directly related to getting it, it's just arbitrarily handed to you afterward if the person wielding it decides you've earned it.) "The carrot or the stick" sounds to me like a clever/cruel twist on the above metaphor. Although after some googling, it sounds like nobody really knows which one was first. Since there are 2 different sticks involved, it's pretty much linguistically impossible to determine from old texts. Sir Lemming has a new favorite as of 18:04 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Sir Lemming posted:"The carrot or the stick" sounds to me like a clever/cruel twist on the above metaphor. Although after some googling, it sounds like nobody really knows which one was first. Since there are 2 different sticks involved, it's pretty much linguistically impossible to determine from old texts. All the dictionaries I checked said that the correct phrasing of the idiom is "the carrot or the stick" and there's several sources going back to the mid 1800s describing a donkey race where one rider whips their donkey and the other tempts it with a carrot dangling from a stick: https://archive.org/details/narrativelateex00unkngoog/page/n161/mode/2up It's pretty much a variant of "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
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are we all sure we are not thinking of two separate carrot stick sayings? I can imagine in the 1700s two people in different countries both popularising their own version and confusing people with it for centuries afterwards.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:All the dictionaries I checked said that the correct phrasing of the idiom is "the carrot or the stick" and there's several sources going back to the mid 1800s describing a donkey race where one rider whips their donkey and the other tempts it with a carrot dangling from a stick: https://archive.org/details/narrativelateex00unkngoog/page/n161/mode/2up I think the confusion is that the carrot "at the end of the stick" is less of a phrase and more just like, a concept? Whereas "the carrot or the stick" is more of an actual phrase. The former is sort of embedded in the latter. To me they both seem equally devious, just in different ways. It honestly never occurred to me that the dangling carrot was supposed to be considered positive reinforcement. The OP didn't seem to understand how the dangling carrot could be an effective metaphor in and of itself. And now I'm still unsure if it ever was. I guess I'll just never get this metaphor, it's like Lucy kicking Charlie Brown's carrot. Sir Lemming has a new favorite as of 18:34 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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Kantesu posted:Yeah, but it's also named after a Halo thing, and everybody loves Halo, right? Haha, it was a long time after I got Windows 10 that I saw the Cortana thing, and I kept thinking that name was weirdly familiar but I couldn't remember why until my ex reminded me it was that voice from Halo (I only played the first one; didn't they sexy her up or something later?) Got to say I find it kind of weird to incorporate video game terms and elements into the OS. Maybe that says something about the current generation working at Microsoft. If it had been me I would have called Edge something more relevant to my generation, like Clippy's World Wide Web MS Paint Thread Accessor
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's pretty much a variant of "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" Depends how much vinegar you use and how hungry the flies are. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562214/
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credburn posted:SYCBYJFO: Today I see Microsoft Internet Explorer is officially gone, and it made me realize... Edge is not just Internet Explorer with a hip new name? It's actually an entirely different browser meant to look basically the same and function as a means for me to download the browsers I want? I didn't even know Edge was a browser until the Internet Explorer announcement came out because I've never clicked on it. (Was I confusing it with that weird tile based interface they put into Windows 8?) Microsoft somehow managed to top the Nintendo WiiU in failing to make it clear that they made a new product.
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Dip Viscous posted:I didn't even know Edge was a browser until the Internet Explorer announcement came out because I've never clicked on it. (Was I confusing it with that weird tile based interface they put into Windows 8?) Microsoft somehow managed to top the Nintendo WiiU in failing to make it clear that they made a new product. How have you never opened it?  I see it pop up regularly even without me intentionally using it because it's wired into doing searches from the windows menu (if what you type doesn't match something on your computer), or things like me accidentally clicking the lock screen wallpaper opens an Edge search page showing the wallpaper's details.
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credburn posted:I never understood that quote. I know he said it and it's a famous quote but whatever it's meaning to say is lost on me. I guess I imagine that guy from that movie who beat up his old town with a 2x4.
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Foxfire_ posted:Think going to a meeting with mob boss who is very polite and a good host but also has a bunch of goons hanging around. No thanks, I try to avoid goons as much as possible
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:But like they are so wrong tho? And they have never heard about Teddy Roosevelt saying " "Walk slowly and dangle a big carrot from a stick, while carrying a separate big stick in your other hand" iirc.
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Hell, also same from supposedly Al Capone but differently worded in "you get further with a loaded gun and a polite word than you get with just a polite word"
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Edging makes more sense now that I put it in context of using a browser. I always thought it was a sex thing.
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credburn posted:Edging makes more sense now that I put it in context of using a browser. I always thought it was a sex thing. It's still a sex thing, Microsoft, stop trying to make 'Edge' happen, it's NOT going to happen.
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