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Guavanaut posted:NI will get two, nuclear ballistic missile submarine and deputy nuclear ballistic missile submarine, to prevent the DUP threatening to unilaterally dissolve West Belfast. Nah make them share one sub but they each get to choose a co-commander.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The South West is full of gammons who would be delighted at the idea of having THE NUKES nearby, even more so if it brings JOBS (not jobs that they'll take though, no, just jobs that will increase demand for the houses they're renting out as their retirement plan) Doesn't the SW still have the old, completely useless but incredibly dangerous fail deadly nukes stored in a cupboard somewhere?
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Sir Keir 'Just the worst focus groups' Starmer We deliberately gave him the worst focus groups, as a joke. With his background as a respected high profile lawyer we thought he would have some self determination. We never imagined he would still be Party Leader going into the next election. Jessant fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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ThomasPaine posted:That said, independence would almost certainly fracture the party People tend to have a habit of saying that as if it's a given. I'm not so sure. South Africa has been ruled by the ANC since it stopped being whites only, for one example. Mexico was ruled by the PRI for decades. Japan likewise by the LDP for decades. It might fracture, or it might be that all politics that matters ends up happening within the SNP. No way of knowing til it happens.
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Want to hear any of the ‘get the Tories out’ lot explain what the point is if the policies remain the same https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1537049789577183235?s=21&t=ryw3tDnky1XhaAlSNRDyOA
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feedmegin posted:People tend to have a habit of saying that as if it's a given. I'm not so sure. South Africa has been ruled by the ANC since it stopped being whites only, for one example. Mexico was ruled by the PRI for decades. Japan likewise by the LDP for decades. It might fracture, or it might be that all politics that matters ends up happening within the SNP. No way of knowing til it happens. Yeah i'm skeptical of the SNP meaningfully fracturing. I think you'd likely see them continue to command their "centrist with centre-left accents" position post independence since that sort of conversion actually seems to have been the general trend in Europe, with the new scottish independent conservatives taking up position on the right and the greens capturing the "slightly more left" sphere. If there is a split I'm expecting a Finna Fail/Fine Gael sort of split where the difference between the remnants is about a cigarette paper wide.
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feedmegin posted:People tend to have a habit of saying that as if it's a given. I'm not so sure. South Africa has been ruled by the ANC since it stopped being whites only, for one example. Mexico was ruled by the PRI for decades. Japan likewise by the LDP for decades. It might fracture, or it might be that all politics that matters ends up happening within the SNP. No way of knowing til it happens. I can't comment on the PRI, but compared to the ANC & LDP the SNP is a much broader party as far as covering the spectrum. Independence unites everyone from social democrats of the Tony Benn variety to libertarians & religious fundamentalists. Now obviously there's no guarantee but I'd be very surprised if they don't disintegrate. We've already seen the Alba split, & Sturgeon is no Nelson Mandela.
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Noxville posted:Want to hear any of the ‘get the Tories out’ lot explain what the point is if the policies remain the same I listened to Priti Patel speech in the commons and she didn't get really challenged by Labour on her 'it's them euro bastard courts' (paraphrasing obvs) speech.
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Institutional centrism from the Labour neolib cadre? What a surprise. Can't be criticised for your political leanings if you refuse to approve or disapprove of anything *taps head*
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Spangly A posted:Doesn't the SW still have the old, completely useless but incredibly dangerous fail deadly nukes stored in a cupboard somewhere? Genuinely thought this paragraph was just going to end with "pensioners"
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forkboy84 posted:I can't comment on the PRI, but compared to the ANC & LDP the SNP is a much broader party as far as covering the spectrum. Independence unites everyone from social democrats of the Tony Benn variety to libertarians & religious fundamentalists. Now obviously there's no guarantee but I'd be very surprised if they don't disintegrate. We've already seen the Alba split, & Sturgeon is no Nelson Mandela. I'd also point out that the other parties mentioned had much further ranging political projects than simply 'get independence', which held them together. The SNP has vastly disparate wings that despise one another and it's only strong party discipline and the implicit acceptance that whatever their differences independence is the immediate priority that keeps them from knifing one another. I certainly can't imagine someone like Mhari Black existing in the same party as your tartan tory types post-independence.
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Starmer in his role as DPP has already shown he's willing to deport anyone at the drop of a hat.
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Starmer is a bad guy, and the Labour party are cowardly xenophobes.
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forkboy84 posted:We've already seen the Alba split, & Sturgeon is no Nelson Mandela.
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Private Speech posted:I listened to Priti Patel speech in the commons and she didn't get really challenged by Labour on her 'it's them euro bastard courts' (paraphrasing obvs) speech. Yvette Cooper had, I think, the first opposition response and did call it "unethical" but the majority of the response was to do with the failure of similar plans in Israel and Australia and the (probably correct) argument that Patel doesn't really care if it works or not and just wants to pick fights. She didn't really clarify who the fights were being picked with, probably on purpose. Oh and she got bodied on the fact that she was part of a Labour government that wanted to do the same thing lol
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The comical thing about Starmer taking this stance is that more Conservative voters oppose the policy than Labour voters support it, so from a raw data perspective, if you wanted to maximise appeal on the subject you’d oppose it https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/survey-results/daily/2022/04/14/8bb29/1
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You're telling me that Keir Starmer's political instincts are bollocks?
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Noxville posted:The comical thing about Starmer taking this stance is that more Conservative voters oppose the policy than Labour voters support it, so from a raw data perspective, if you wanted to maximise appeal on the subject you’d oppose it Polls are useless. What you need is a focus group of ex BNP voters.
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Noxville posted:Want to hear any of the ‘get the Tories out’ lot explain what the point is if the policies remain the same Entirely unsurprising tbh, they love it when the tories do something horrible that they can just ignore once they're in power. Just like the US dems really.
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Tesseraction posted:You're telling me that Keir Starmer's political instincts are bollocks? Depends whether you consider his job to be to get Labour elected to government, or to prevent a left wing government. He's pretty good at the latter so far.
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Chas McGill posted:I voted yes last time and would do so again, but I don't think it will happen and I'm not sure we'd be much better off politically. I hate Westminster enough for it to outweigh any of those concerns though. i had a vote last time but didn't use it because i wasn't planning to stay in scotland i'd definitely vote to leave the UK now because how on earth wouldn't that be a good thing lol
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keep punching joe posted:I'm still of the opinion that Ireland needs to reunify first before people's brains will adjust to the concept of no more UK. i actually could see it going the other way. Scotland's case for independence is easier to make to soft unionists on account of the position you're putting forward isn't associated with decades of the RA bombing the poo poo out of everything NI is tethered to the UK through Scotland, culturally - if Scotland leaves the UK NI will soon follow
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crispix posted:NI is tethered to the UK through Scotland
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Ireland is also different in that you are already getting a package deal, basically. It's not "vote for [whatever your hopes and dreams might be]" it's "vote to become part of the republic with all its existing laws and relations with the rest of the world." It is more of a known quantity, for better or worse.
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um not really? nobody really knows how NI and the south become a country, it would require a settlement with the UK and likely a colossal funding package from the EU for it to be viable most people who talk seriously about it see Stormont continuing to play a role in the administration of the 6 counties so willy ulsterman doesn't feel put out by having to go to dublin to represent his constituents
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Spangly A posted:Doesn't the SW still have the old, completely useless but incredibly dangerous fail deadly nukes stored in a cupboard somewhere? Yes, all the old subs are sat in a dock, rotting away.
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https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1537052106305175552 Lol. I was totally unaware of the family legacy with the ECHR.
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crispix posted:um not really? Yeah that's the only kinda way it makes sense, and the only way I would vote to support it as an Irish nationalist
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my [hopes and dreams] would be for the north to be administered from Belfast in a federation with the south and Donegal can choose to join the Belfast administration because it's a county that has always stuck out like a sore thumb anyway
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crispix posted:my [hopes and dreams] would be for the north to be administered from Belfast in a federation with the south and Donegal can choose to join the Belfast administration because it's a county that has always stuck out like a sore thumb anyway "Giving away another county" seems like a non-starter, but sure I get your point
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1537052106305175552 "gently caress you, grandad!"
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crispix posted:my [hopes and dreams] would be for the north to be administered from Belfast in a federation with the south and Donegal can choose to join the Belfast administration because it's a county that has always stuck out like a sore thumb anyway Or just 
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Failed Imagineer posted:"Giving away another county" seems like a non-starter, but sure I get your point (Providing that there were strong guarantees against Stormont just running off with the extra counties and selling them to Canada for heating money or something.)
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Failed Imagineer posted:"Giving away another county" seems like a non-starter, but sure I get your point it was a donegal joke
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crispix posted:it was a donegal joke Donegal already gets enough stick, more of a forgotten child than any of Johnson's weans
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i've always thought that the rest of the north would be much like donegal, if not for all the hatred, war and slaughter that would have been nice
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some news on those mysterious "American candy" shops https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61810743 (i think we discussed them here before?) quote:She said: "There is no way of knowing what ingredients are in these bars or what food hygiene practices are being followed by the people making or repackaging them." so the actual product is fraudulent as well as the business model, hmm
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prob just cooking chocolate bulked out with the fat disposed of by catering operations and quarry dust
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